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Who will finish last in the AFC East

Who will finish last in the AFC East

  • Dolphins

    Votes: 65 57.0%

  • Patriots

    Votes: 9 7.9%

  • Jets

    Votes: 27 23.7%

  • Bills

    Votes: 13 11.4%
  • Total voters
    114
feelthepain said:
What you refuse to see is that 7 wins gets you no fiurther then 1 win. What you also don't talk about is that you can win 13 games and the next win just 3 games. Just like in one season you can win 3 games and the very next win 11 games. What's the point? The point is what do in one season doesn't mean you're destine to imporve or fail the next.

You can look at wins and loses as if they are all that matters and in some situations this is true, but when you're not a playoff team, wins and loses have no value. Teams that didn't make the playoffs are all the same, you sit at home and watch the playoffs, this is a fact it doesn't matter if you're 10-6 or 1-15. You're out of the playoffs, period.

How does the Bills being 7-9 help them this year? How does Miami being 1-15 hurt them this year? It doesn't in either case. Everything that happened last year was last year. This is a new year and whatever happens has nothing to do with last year. Both teams made changes.

The Bills won 7 games, 5 of those games came against teams that won 5 or less games, that's hardly a major accomplishment for a team that won just 7 games total. In the Dolphins home game last year the Bills were outplayed across the baord yet lucked out a win, does it still count? Sure it does, but we beat the Bills in every aspect of that game without Ricky, Ronnie, Zach, Trent, Chambers or Yeremiah taking one snap in that game.

Bill fans love to tell everyone that will listen how injured they were in 07, but Bill fans seem to think they were the only team in the league to be injured. Well I would like you to look at who the Dolphins lost to injury or trade and tell me who the Bills lost that compares in tealent to the ones the Dolphins lost. No way in hell the Bill inexperienced players they lost compare to the talent Miami lost, it's not even close.

Add to the fact that the Bills couldn't even mange better numbers in Offense and Defense and the fact that they were dead last in the NFL in points scored.The Bills 7 wins were nothing more then the ball bouncing their way.

If you took a poll right now and said "If a team had the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked Defense and had the lowest scoring offense in the league and was in a division that would have a team to finish the year 18-1, how many wins do you think they'd get"? What do you think 99% of the fans in the NFL would say? My guess, 2 wins at most.
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Yet you bring up the Seahawks injuries as the reason they won last week. If you're not a playoff team you're not a playoff team. Though if Miami went 7-9 last season regardless of stats i'd have much higher expectations.

Just look at the the expectations we had after Miami went 9-7 but according to your thinking mine as well of went 1-15. I get your point but you want it both ways for the Phins and not for other teams in the division.
 
feelthepain said:
What you refuse to see is that 7 wins gets you no fiurther then 1 win. What you also don't talk about is that you can win 13 games and the next win just 3 games. Just like in one season you can win 3 games and the very next win 11 games. What's the point? The point is what do in one season doesn't mean you're destine to imporve or fail the next.

You can look at wins and loses as if they are all that matters and in some situations this is true, but when you're not a playoff team, wins and loses have no value. Teams that didn't make the playoffs are all the same, you sit at home and watch the playoffs, this is a fact it doesn't matter if you're 10-6 or 1-15. You're out of the playoffs, period.

How does the Bills being 7-9 help them this year? How does Miami being 1-15 hurt them this year? It doesn't in either case. Everything that happened last year was last year. This is a new year and whatever happens has nothing to do with last year. Both teams made changes.

The Bills won 7 games, 5 of those games came against teams that won 5 or less games, that's hardly a major accomplishment for a team that won just 7 games total. In the Dolphins home game last year the Bills were outplayed across the baord yet lucked out a win, does it still count? Sure it does, but we beat the Bills in every aspect of that game without Ricky, Ronnie, Zach, Trent, Chambers or Yeremiah taking one snap in that game.

Bill fans love to tell everyone that will listen how injured they were in 07, but Bill fans seem to think they were the only team in the league to be injured. Well I would like you to look at who the Dolphins lost to injury or trade and tell me who the Bills lost that compares in tealent to the ones the Dolphins lost. No way in hell the Bill inexperienced players they lost compare to the talent Miami lost, it's not even close.

Add to the fact that the Bills couldn't even mange better numbers in Offense and Defense and the fact that they were dead last in the NFL in points scored.The Bills 7 wins were nothing more then the ball bouncing their way.

If you took a poll right now and said "If a team had the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked Defense and had the lowest scoring offense in the league and was in a division that would have a team to finish the year 18-1, how many wins do you think they'd get"? What do you think 99% of the fans in the NFL would say? My guess, 2 wins at most .
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You said last year means nothing and then go off on a rant about last year.

How come you never post how in 2007 Buffalo had a Higher Ranked Rushing Offense and Higher Ranked Rushing Defense than the fish?

How about how the fish had the worst Rushing Defense in the league in 2007?

How about the most telling numbers from 2007, 1-15?

By the way, Buffalo wasn't last in the league in scoring in 2007.

In keeping with the topic, from what I've seen in week1 and the current situation in the division my opinion remains the same, Miami will finish last in the AFC East this season.
 
The Dolphins, like I've said, will be the best team in the AFC East in the future. It's the Bills time to shine to get their 1st SB win. You guys got 3 years to win. You're on a good start:beer1:
 
nyjunc said:
You act like we haven't beaten you in 5 yeras. Last year was your first sweep over us since 1997. Don't expect another one.
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The way you guys played your last two games vs. the way we played?

Yeah, I expect another one this year.

And I think the Fins are a better team than the Jets. Smerlas was right. Jets are frauds.

I also think the Fins are going to return the favor in the Meadowlands. They had you down here. They're gonna want to prove that your win was a fluke.

Look for 7-9 out of the Jets.
 
feelthepain said:
What you refuse to see is that 7 wins gets you no fiurther then 1 win. What you also don't talk about is that you can win 13 games and the next win just 3 games. Just like in one season you can win 3 games and the very next win 11 games. What's the point? The point is what do in one season doesn't mean you're destine to imporve or fail the next.

You can look at wins and loses as if they are all that matters and in some situations this is true, but when you're not a playoff team, wins and loses have no value. Teams that didn't make the playoffs are all the same, you sit at home and watch the playoffs, this is a fact it doesn't matter if you're 10-6 or 1-15. You're out of the playoffs, period.

How does the Bills being 7-9 help them this year? How does Miami being 1-15 hurt them this year? It doesn't in either case. Everything that happened last year was last year. This is a new year and whatever happens has nothing to do with last year. Both teams made changes.

The Bills won 7 games, 5 of those games came against teams that won 5 or less games, that's hardly a major accomplishment for a team that won just 7 games total. In the Dolphins home game last year the Bills were outplayed across the baord yet lucked out a win, does it still count? Sure it does, but we beat the Bills in every aspect of that game without Ricky, Ronnie, Zach, Trent, Chambers or Yeremiah taking one snap in that game.

Bill fans love to tell everyone that will listen how injured they were in 07, but Bill fans seem to think they were the only team in the league to be injured. Well I would like you to look at who the Dolphins lost to injury or trade and tell me who the Bills lost that compares in tealent to the ones the Dolphins lost. No way in hell the Bill inexperienced players they lost compare to the talent Miami lost, it's not even close.

Add to the fact that the Bills couldn't even mange better numbers in Offense and Defense and the fact that they were dead last in the NFL in points scored.The Bills 7 wins were nothing more then the ball bouncing their way.

If you took a poll right now and said "If a team had the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked Defense and had the lowest scoring offense in the league and was in a division that would have a team to finish the year 18-1, how many wins do you think they'd get"? What do you think 99% of the fans in the NFL would say? My guess, 2 wins at most.
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Lol. Someone is graspping for air.

we're 2-0 and better ranked than your fins statistically. What now? YOu're team still better than ours?
 
Fins will definitley be the worst team in the AFC East but who cares we are rebuilding.

The Bills arent winning ANY Super Bowls either. Who actually thinks Jauron can take them to the promiseland??? Bwhahaha
 
Finch83 said:
Fins will definitley be the worst team in the AFC East but who cares we are rebuilding.

The Bills arent winning ANY Super Bowls either. Who actually thinks Jauron can take them to the promiseland??? Bwhahaha
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No one is talkin' Super Bowl... yet. I do think we have a real chance of making the playoffs though.

It's pretty exciting when your team plays well and can put together some wins. You can keep trying to convince us otherwise though, if it's a way of making you happy this football season.
 
Losing Steve Fairchild maybe the Bills best offseason move. If Hardy was called out I don't believe that play would've been reversed. The Bills should be 4-0 after the next two games. Though the Lions started off fast last year and turned out to be the same garbage Lions they always are.
 
feelthepain said:
Good teams= Good coaching, winning records,playoffs, multiple probowlers (that aren't kickers and punters), wins against winning teams, good QB's, league leading statistics, winning division...ect.

Bad teams= Losing records, bad coaching, bad offense, bad defense, losing towards the end of the season rather then winning towards the end of the season, no playoffs,season after season of the same bad numbers, not winning division....ect.


Now looking at the two, which one better fits the Bills? Where is the positive? The Bill fans see a 7-9 record and wins against the Jets and Dolphins as positive things and proof the Bills are the better team. Bill fans do not acknowledge nor give credit to any team but their own. They act as if this is still 07 and no team imporved but the Bills.

The Jets spent upwards of 100 mil to imporve and are only one season removed from the playoffs. Yet Bill fans act like the Jets aren't even in the same area code of talen as the Billst!!! Get frikin real, most teams change from one season to the next, most teams add talent to area's that were weak and as much as Bill fans hate it, there are teams that are more talent in the AFC East.

Bill fans give their Oline more credit then anyone elses, even though they've been near the bottom of the league the last two years. Bill fans give their QB's more credit even though they do not have on QB on their roster that's ever had a winning season as a pro much less any playoff experinece, Until Brady went down the only team in the division that has so little starting at QB was the Bills. Bill fans ignore the fact that their HC is 4 games below 500 as the Bills HC not to mention he been a losing HC throught his entire caree overall.

Bill fans think they are entitled to go to any fan site they wish and tell everyone who great their team is, then when no one complies....cause lets face it there's no evidence to suppot this greatness, Bill fans get bent out of shape and can't understand why people don't see this GRETANESS!! It truly is amazing how Bill fans look at football, the only fans on the planet who's team can be awful and yet be the best at the same time.

Do me a favor, read everything I just wrote, twice! Then come back to me scratching your head wondering where I come to the conlusion the Bills aren't a very good team till they actually prove it. Cause I know you will.
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I actually have no problem with this philosophy especially from a opposing team fan......

What I do take issue with is earleir this year you said teh fins were going to be better then the bills with absolutely no reasoning other then to irk visitng fans.......

Now that the bills are actually winning early in the season which we have not been able to do....you dont give props.

Finally....when we are playing in the playoffs this year do we get those props....do we have to win the Super Bowl? Only one team out of 32 gets to do that.
 
rofl.

even your useless yardage stats can't save you now.

all that matters FTP-

miami one win in last 20 games
buffalo 2 wins in last 2 games.

no one's asking for respect, but you haven't acknowledged the bills are a good team once. you just downplay everything with your useless stats, but when miami adds bill parcells they're automatically a good team all of a sudden lol.
 
haha i find this hilarious now that the bills are starting to win regular season games and have good stats in doing so it doesnt matter now because its not the superbowl
 
Crisis said:
rofl.

even your useless yardage stats can't save you now.

all that matters FTP-

miami one win in last 20 games
buffalo 2 wins in last 2 games.

no one's asking for respect, but you haven't acknowledged the bills are a good team once. you just downplay everything with your useless stats, but when miami adds bill parcells they're automatically a good team all of a sudden lol.
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I think Miami is a work in progress. Other people on this site may love the draft class and they've said it every year but i'll defend the recent moves. Parcells does have a track record of building teams, yes he leaves them prematurely IMO, though he still builds them. Honestly I disagreed with Jake Long as the pick. If Parcells felt Beck wasn't the answer then Ryan should've been the guy. To defend this I also told a good friend of mine Henne is a Parcells guy. I'd like to see Ronnie Brown as the feature back but maybe they're easing him into it. Right now, IMO he's the guy who can give us hope.

About the Bills. I wasn't an Edwards fan because he doesn't have a big arm. He needs to stay healthy all year for me to buy him 100%. Which has been his struggle even in college. Though he seems so damn smart with the ball. The Bills should go 4-0 going into the 'Zona game. I think they've got to before they get into the playing the better teams.

A couple more games like Sunday and Chad Henne should be the starter for Miami. That and Ronnie Brown our my saving grace.
 
edwards has a seriously underrated arm.

there hasn't been a single throw he's missed where you just say "he doesn't have the arm for it."

he's deadly accurate and has a very underrated deep ball.
 
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