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Who's to say that we won't fix all our problems and get to the Playoffs this year?

Who says?

Virtually every pundit on TV and web, every fantasy scout website. Everyone who writes about the NFL and is not a Miami DOlphins staffer or fan. Nick Saban says it will require patience too.

I'd like to think it can all be fixed and we make a run at the playoffs, but still being in contention in November would be an improvement on last year.

I'm somewhat encouraged by the 1st team performance, especially on D. But we're not deep in some critical areas so we're subject to big swings if we get injuries in those areas.
 
PassRush said:
100%, it comes down to the offensive line. Either Gus Ferotte or AJ Feeley could make the probowl if they were given a godly offensive line. Look, any quarterback at the NFL level can throw an acurate pass and make a decent read, its all a matter of the offensive line giving them time to do so. I am not saying we need a godly offensive line, just one good enough to buy a five second pocket and give the quarterback time to throw or give RxR a hole to run through
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I think the word, "Neither" should be substituted for "either" in your 2nd sentence...

Saban will need one more draft at least before he can really compete.

If we see ten wins it would be a MAJOR, miraculous accomplishment for Saban...
 
WOW, good thought. I truthfully HOPE you are right. I still think our oline has some work to do. MY HOPE is that our oline continues to improve and get better and by midseason they are working well. Then we can make the push for the playoffs (assuming we were not TOO bad before the resurgeance.
 
Big turnarounds are actually quite common in the NFL. In the last 10 years, there have been more than a dozen teams that have improved by more than 5 games from one year to the next: 2004 Chargers (8), 2004 Steelers (10), 2004 Falcons (6), 2003 Chiefs (5), 2003 Bengals (6), 2003 Cowboys (5), 2001 Pats (6), 2001 Bears (8), 2000 Broncos (5), 2000 Saints (7), 1999 Rams (9), 1999 Titans (5), 1998 Vikings (6), 1998 Falcons (7), 1997 Jets (8), 1996 Jags (5), etc. Many of these teams did it with QBs nobody had ever heard of the year before (Brady, Warner, Delhomme). Others did it with guys who were no less journeyman than Frerotte or Feeley (Chris Chandler, Jeff Blake, Jon Kitna, Jim Miller, Quincy Carter). Others had quarterbacks that simply performed much better than they had in previous years (Brees, Cunningham, Testaverde).

In the year before their turnarounds, no one thought any of these teams were dominant on either side of the ball. I'm not saying we've seen anythign so far this preseason to suggest such a turnaround, but aren't we a little overdue for a Cinderella season (or at least a season in which the Fins exceed expectations -- when was the last time that happened?)
 
death7star said:
we need a franchise qb and that comes form the 06 draft.

people need patience.

saban needs at least 2-3 years to turn this around.

expect a bad season this season.
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And a Franchise QB will take 1 to 2 years if he comes from the draft..so hold your beath even longer, we need the OL to step up and play Football, if that happens then we won't worry about a QB next year.
 
BleedinGreenNC said:
I didnt come here to say you sucked, i was posting a reply, if you noticed i said that i wasnt bashing you, just giving an honest opinion. These guys are right though, it will start with the O-line, but i don't think that your 2 QB's are the answer for your franchise.
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your reply was appreciated by some.

i think the phins are a longshot for the playoffs, but i'm gonna believe until that 8th loss. i am more inclined to say what finfan54 said, that this year the team is going to be playing for pride and opponents will not get any easy victories. i think that with the weapons this team has on offense, they will be an exciting team by year's end.
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Okay,

I know everyone on here has either watched, listend or at least read about training cam and Pre-season to date. I also know that there is an ever-expanding contingent of people who have drawn multiple conclusions from July and August. The conclusions include: weak O-line play, lack of a QB stepping up and performing well, etc.

My question is: Why is everyone so eager to base decisions on a season that hasn't even started yet on the first few preseason games? Who is to say that we won't fix the o-line and QB problems either before the season or as it begins?

I'm sure if we search hard enough we'll find plenty of teams that have performed poorly in the pre-season and gone on to have winning records.

I know it's homerish but I think with our new coaching staff and our defense/playmakers at receiver and rb we could turn the tide and find ourselves in possible contention for a playoff spot in December.

Think Rams in 99 went from 3-13 to SuperBowl Champs
Think Panthers in '02? 2-14 to Superbowl
Think Patriots in '00 went from 3-13 to Superbowl Champs.

Numerous teams have gone from losing seasons to playoffs or in contention......why couldn't we think the same way at this date in August....?

Bash away!
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no bashing from me for two reasons:

a) anyone who has to bash anothers opinion are the kinda guys that ________________________________

2) i got the dolphins as afc representitives.
 
I think our D is good enough to be a top 5. However, I think our O is bad enough to be a bottom 5, but I will stick to it, 10-6 in 05' 06', GO PHINS.
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Okay,

I know everyone on here has either watched, listend or at least read about training cam and Pre-season to date. I also know that there is an ever-expanding contingent of people who have drawn multiple conclusions from July and August. The conclusions include: weak O-line play, lack of a QB stepping up and performing well, etc.

My question is: Why is everyone so eager to base decisions on a season that hasn't even started yet on the first few preseason games? Who is to say that we won't fix the o-line and QB problems either before the season or as it begins?

I'm sure if we search hard enough we'll find plenty of teams that have performed poorly in the pre-season and gone on to have winning records.

I know it's homerish but I think with our new coaching staff and our defense/playmakers at receiver and rb we could turn the tide and find ourselves in possible contention for a playoff spot in December.

Think Rams in 99 went from 3-13 to SuperBowl Champs
Think Panthers in '02? 2-14 to Superbowl
Think Patriots in '00 went from 3-13 to Superbowl Champs.

Numerous teams have gone from losing seasons to playoffs or in contention......why couldn't we think the same way at this date in August....?

Bash away!
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LA Rams 1990 5 - 11 -0
LA Rams 1991 3 - 13 - 0
LA Rams 1992 6 - 10 - 0
LA Rams 1993 5 - 11 - 0
LA Rams 1994 4 - 12 - 0
St. Louis Rams 1995 7 - 9 - 0
St. Louis Rams 1996 6 - 10 - 0
St. Louis Rams 1997 5 - 11 - 0
St. Louis Rams 1998 4 - 12 - 0
St. Louis Rams 1999 13 - 3 - 0 Superbowl

The biggest differance here is the fact the Rams hadn't had a winning season in ten years and had consistently been on the bottom of the pack. But all those high draft picks eventually lead to the depth at key positions. Warner was providence but if Green hadn't been injured I believe they could still have won it easily with him at the helm.


Panthers 1997 7 - 9 - 0
Panthers 1998 4 - 12 - 0
Panthers 1999 8 - 8 - 0
Panthers 2000 7 - 9 - 0
Panthers 2001 1 - 15 - 0
Panthers 2002 7 - 9 - 0
Panthers 2003 11 - 5 - 0 Superbowl

Other than their softmore season of 12-4 in 1996 this team had never had a winning season until 2003. Again drafting high and having a roster full of home grown talent leaves you some cap space for those pricey free-agents you need to make a Superbowl run. But from what we saw last year this team was over achieving bigtime in 2003, they are still a long ways off.


Patriots went 5-11 before becoming Superbowl Champs but have been a decent team through the 90's. Of any of the teams you've mentioned they are the closest to our situation. Now remember that Bellichick was the coach that season as well, no genious comparisons yet. So he had basically two drafts and two years to get his system in.
 
arsenal said:
^^ umm before those seasons those QBs were not considered quality QBs... warner came in as a nobody and took over for the starter and won... delhomme was also a nobody as was brady...

these are qbs that no one thought would be good and they surprised and went to superbowls... just like brees did last year, any QB can all of a sudden get it and play better, especially inexperienced QBs

but also note the panthers were 2-14, then the next year i think 7-9 or 8-8, then they went to the superbowl, it wasn't right after that 2-14 season....
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I couldn't have said it better myself. If I remember correctly, I think Warner was working for UPS the season before. Delhomme was a Canadian league defect who couldn't crack a roster spot on anybody's team. And then we have Tom Brady who was a mediocore quarterback in college and a late draft pick that has gone on two win three superbowls in four years. Don't get me wrong I hate the Patsies as much as the next guy, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Who says that one of our QBs won't make things happen this year. It's good that everyone expects our QBs to fail and that the expectations are low. Therefore, they won't be playing with any pressure and if they fail, it won't be a surprise because they were supposed to fail. But if they succeed, what a great story that would be.
 
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