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Why is everybody so quick 2 4get that tannehill was supposed to sit for 2-3 years

hooshoops said:
oh you mean the hit on his throwing arm when he's stepping up vs immediate pressure from both sides and mario williams knocks the ball out...yeah i guess thats an excuse also

another tyson clabo special
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I think that was the play I was talking about where Sherman called a run and Tanney audibled to a pass then disaster struck.
 
roy_miami said:
I think that was the play I was talking about where Sherman called a run and Tanney audibled to a pass then disaster struck.
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Solid observation Roy. The Tanny supporters always have an out for him.
 
roy_miami said:
Jets overtime game last year, we were already in field goal range to win and all we needed was to not turn it over and hopefully pick up a few extra yards to make the kick easier. He audibles out of the nice safe running play Sherman called to throw it deep to Hartline, it was completely unnecessary because all we needed TO WIN was points, any points.

He did something similar this season when everybody was on Sherman's jock about a horrible play call at the end of a game until it came out that Tannehill was the one that changed the play once again.

Monday's game Tampa is exchanging personnel at will WHILE we're supposedly IN A HURRY UP. No team would have the balls to try that with Tom Brady.

Other times I find myself screaming "WILL YOU HURRY THE **** UP" both at the end of games and in situations where the defense is unprepared or if the previous play was close enough to be challenged.

Its not Henne-like, Tannehill definitely shows he has a sense of urgency and always makes a valiant attempt to keep the game alive right at the end, where Henne would throw it away on 4th down to avoid a sack or something. But there is something missing and maybe its just inexperience or maybe the coaches have him too handcuffed. All I know is one bad decision like that a season is unacceptable for an elite QB, hopefully he grows out of it.
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I have some of those same exact thoughts as you on those plays and him not moving around a little more, when he does have some time, like he did some last year. As hoops points out it is like night and day in the red zone from what Henne gave us. I think it's just an incomplete and the OL play sure doesn't help us to be able to decide easily. Have you noticed Luck who everyone agrees is better is having some problems also with no real running attack and not the best OL play either.
 
roy_miami said:
Jets overtime game last year, we were already in field goal range to win and all we needed was to not turn it over and hopefully pick up a few extra yards to make the kick easier. He audibles out of the nice safe running play Sherman called to throw it deep to Hartline, it was completely unnecessary because all we needed TO WIN was points, any points.

He did something similar this season when everybody was on Sherman's jock about a horrible play call at the end of a game until it came out that Tannehill was the one that changed the play once again.

Monday's game Tampa is exchanging personnel at will WHILE we're supposedly IN A HURRY UP. No team would have the balls to try that with Tom Brady.

Other times I find myself screaming "WILL YOU HURRY THE **** UP" both at the end of games and in situations where the defense is unprepared or if the previous play was close enough to be challenged.

Its not Henne-like, Tannehill definitely shows he has a sense of urgency and always makes a valiant attempt to keep the game alive right at the end, where Henne would throw it away on 4th down to avoid a sack or something. But there is something missing and maybe its just inexperience or maybe the coaches have him too handcuffed. All I know is one bad decision like that a season is unacceptable for an elite QB, hopefully he grows out of it.
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your kicker carp missed a what 48 yarder against the jets that would have tied it even after the 3 pass calls...why is that the qbs fault??? your kicker is paid to make makeable kicks and he blew it...i get it you want a qb that plays not to lose instead of playing to win...oh wait people bitched about that at the position when we had it too...i'll take the guy that tries to make a play vs the guy that sees 8 in the box and hands it off anyways to be safe...

again that was a rookie qb last year this is a 2nd year qb who didn't even start 2 years in college...yes you would like the tempo to speed up in the 2 minute etc but do you guys not understand that tom brady and drew brees and any other of these damn qbs were not masters with pocket play or tempo or anything for that matter half way thru year two...

i have never seen such an impatient bunch...you want to toss the most talented qb we have had in like 20 years out like he's garbage because he's not marino in his prime...

there has been progression from year one to year two i see him use his head and shoulders in his drop to manipulate the safety i see him coming back to the other side of the field and working thru his progressions...he gets hated on here cause his freaking presnap reads are so good he gets the ball out to his first read a plenty...that's not a bad thing you guys that's a damn good thing...it's not like he's not throwing the ball down the field either we haven't run as many routes down the field because THE PROTECTION does not allow it but he hits balls down the seam and ids coverage and leverage and throws away from it damn well...just cause mike wallace drops the damn thing for turning into contact vs where the ball in a option route system is designed to be away from contact doesn't mean the kids not doing his part...

the only thing he doesn't do is throw his teammates under the bus when they screw it up or he gets earholed from the snap in a 5 man collapsing protect pocket...

just this last game alone you had mathews wide open down the seam no over the top coverage the right read and throw by tannehill is to throw that ball over the top in the hole between defenders if mathews reads it right and runs his route right he walks in for 6 instead he sits it down like it's a over the top zone and we miss it...

you have had repeated balls to wallace turning the wrong way out of his cut almost enough of those off the finger tips bad reads by the wr i stopped counting...same thing this week wallace turns to the leveraged defender on what would have been a 15 yard gain with possible rac tannehill throws it away from the leverage like he should tipped ball incomplete

you know what the problem here is too many people here don't understand an option route system...they want to blame the qb for every incomplete pass...they don't understand protections and free edge guys that your wrs must break off their route when flexed to that side and present their numbers to the qb like the 3rd and 2 sack vs new england where egnew kept carrying his route down field and never squared to tannehill for an easy conversion and the next play we missed a 46 yarder i think it was...

they don't understand the cinci game last drive sack where tanny has clay in a stack formation turning after the coverage carried down the field with the outside wr for an easy catch and rac opp but clay falls down on the turn and tannehill has to come off it before getting pile driven by michael johnson who split mckinnie and garner for the sack...

and those are just the ones that come to my head real time...
 
roy_miami said:
I think that was the play I was talking about where Sherman called a run and Tanney audibled to a pass then disaster struck.
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yeah the play where he came to the los and saw the bills loading up in the box to stop the run and checked out of it...the right call...funny how when he came to the los and saw the loaded run d vs cinci and audbled to a vertical with wallace one on one and held the safety to the opposite side of the field with his head and shoulders in his drop before turning squaring his shoulders and feet to the target and throwing a ankle tackling 50 yard pi call that flipped the field and eventually lead to cinci backed up on its goalline and wake getting the safety game over play s not a bad decision to check out of a bad play huh...

seriously...if you don't understand he comes to the los and reads the box and the safety depth etc and has the freedom to check out of it into a better play which any qb who is trusted should have well i can't help you
 
phinatic1399 said:
We all knew going in2 this that ryan tannehill was not gonna be john elway in year 2. I signed up for this "project" I knew what I was getting myself into and so did u. Everybody screamed for a franchise QB so we took one. Did we all forget what mike mayock said before the draft? What about kiper mcshay all said this would be a 2-3 year project. Mayock said "the kid can make all the throws but i would be scared to death to start the kid right away. Let him sit 2-3 years and in year 4 you might have a stud." Everybody voiced concern about how raw he was. He was a cornerback in highschool. Then QB. Then WR. Then back to QB. He is still in the learning phase of trying to learn to be a QB. He beat luck ryan wilson weeden dalton. When i watch weeden play i say "omg this dude is not a franchise QB." The browns and everybody knew they need a QB. Weeden is a bust. But not many outsiders will say tannehill is a bust yet. Tirico said "the nice young looking QB for miami." Or "tannehill is on fire right now 12 straight completions. Tannehill has to improve his pocket presence yes absolutely. Tannehill had to learn to run when the pocket breaks down yes we know. Tannehill had to cut down the turnovers and he actually has the last few games. Tannehill has actually completed 50% of his deep balls this year but only 24% to wallace. He is resilient and fearless and bounces back like bills game 2 ints only to throw 3 straight tds. Be careful what you wish for tannehill is "progressing" not "regressing" he hasnt reached his ceiling yet. Henne peaked in year 2 tannehill hasnt. His numbers are up in every major category. Be careful to show him the door to quickly good QBs are not easy to find these days and tannehill is pretty good already. Unless u can pull off a trade for big ben or u are 100% about somebody in the draft then just let the kid grow.
Kid is playing with a horrible oline horrible run game injury depleted weaponry w keller binns gibson gone and WRs who cantr separate.

Now i have no clue how good tannehill can be i personally think he can be a top 7-12 QB if we give him time. I knew this was a project so im gonna be patient.

2012: QBR 76.1, completion pct 58%, yards 3,294 TD 12


2013: QBR 81.2, comp pct 61, yards 2,206 TD 13
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NO NO NO NO NO , a top 10 pick in the first RD dosent suspose to sit at all look at luck RG 3 are they or did they sit ? , Russell Wilson ? he was a first rd did he sit ? even back in the day Dan Marino was i beleave was 23rd pick over all, yeah there were injurys for him to come in , that was the days that QBs sit for a year , but this day and time its just to critical and the cost of a draft pick is just to much to sit a player like that ,IMO IF we are not going to use Dion Jordan no more than we have 1st rd 3rd over all than he was more of a bust for us, , because a player drafted that high should be in on almost every play and contribute to the team atleast 85% .........
 
AphexPhin said:
I still really like Tannehill. Dude is a raw talent and needs new coaching
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Yeah , dont get me wrong Tannehill should have started day one . top 10 pick , but our staff should have gave him more targets in his first year than they did .
 
shouright said:
What I'm saying, personally, is that: 1) we don't know what he's going to be long-term, 2) he's playing below average currently, and 3) his current play isn't the fault of any other part of the team or organization.
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1) of course we don't, but we don't know what a different qb would be either
2) I don't know what stats you were looking at, but I looked at AFC QB stats and the majority of them he is right at or in some cases above average.....I know, you will post different stats where correlation to winning blah blah blah will suggest he is below average.
3) not sure how you can say that, not sure on what planet a healthy running game, a solid oline that can protect him consistently, a good receiving corp, and a solid play calling couldn't have an affect on a second yr qb. You sometimes remind me of the line in the movie IRobot where Will Smith tells the scientist, " you are the dumbest smart person I know!"
 
Remember when Andrew Luck, & Russel Wilson sat for 2-3 years before they were good?
 
Afmo said:
Remember when Andrew Luck, & Russel Wilson sat for 2-3 years before they were good?
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no but I remember when these guys sat for a while:

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Ben Rothlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Colin Kaepernick

Or does your theory only apply to the class of 2012?
 
AZStryker said:
no but I remember when these guys sat for a while:

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Ben Rothlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Colin Kaepernick

Or does your theory only apply to the class of 2012?
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colin kaepernick doesn't belong on that list...
 
hooshoops said:
colin kaepernick doesn't belong on that list...
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Ya I struggled with putting him on there but he does have a Super Bowl appearance and I just wanted to point out that the nobody sits argument is pretty ignorant.
 
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