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Why is Ireland linked to the coaches failures ?

Lol don't get all butthurt bro. You keep trying to push this move the team out of south florida agenda that you and maybe a couple of other yahoos believe in. Might I ask where you think we should move this team oh great and wise masterdebator.
 
San Antonio. but ive already said as much many times over.

Bottom line.

There will never ever be a 12th man in Miami.

Miami, no matter how good we become, is disrespected as a football town. The hurricanes cant even get the stadium half filled and they are highly ranked and its college ball with student body!!!

If we are disrespected, then you can count on officiating, league rules, making sure we never get anywhere. Then Jonathan Martin walks out because at least he understands the world is on his side because you guessed it.....were the Miami Dolphins.

Cleveland Browns fans get respect. They get respect because no matter how much they suck, they show up.
 
San Antonio. but ive already said as much many times over.

Bottom line.

There will never ever be a 12th man in Miami.

Miami, no matter how good we become, is disrespected as a football town. The hurricanes cant even get the stadium half filled and they are highly ranked and its college ball with student body!!!

If we are disrespected, then you can count on officiating, league rules, making sure we never get anywhere. Then Jonathan Martin walks out because at least he understands the world is on his side because you guessed it.....were the Miami Dolphins.

Cleveland Browns fans get respect. They get respect because no matter how much they suck, they show up.

Couple of things to point out. The location of the stadium is not ideal it's in the middle of nowhere, Cleveland's stadium is in there metro(ish) area. If a new stadium was put in a better spot like the original orange bowl location you'd see a major difference. UM is like 20 minutes away from sunlife and a pro stadium it's to big for the canes you put that stadium near coral gables and it's packed every Saturday. San Antonio?!? are you kidding? The San Antonio dolphins?That doesn't even make sense. I bet you want a name change too then. Something like the San Antonio sharks ohhhh and we can wear black and silver, to look more aggressive. Not gonna happen.
 
Couple of things to point out. The location of the stadium is not ideal it's in the middle of nowhere, Cleveland's stadium is in there metro(ish) area. If a new stadium was put in a better spot like the original orange bowl location you'd see a major difference. UM is like 20 minutes away from sunlife and a pro stadium it's to big for the canes you put that stadium near coral gables and it's packed every Saturday. San Antonio?!? are you kidding? The San Antonio dolphins?That doesn't even make sense. I bet you want a name change too then. Something like the San Antonio sharks ohhhh and we can wear black and silver, to look more aggressive. Not gonna happen.

yeah its not gonna happen cus the league needs someone to bust on every year.

The Baltimore Ravens used to be the Cleveland Browns. Use some imagination.

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And Ross is looking into West Palm Beach for a stadium last I heard.


Sounds like a winner.
 
Ireland is not responsible for anything bad, only good. He is irresponsible.
 
Ireland is responsible for producing a winner. He hasnt done that. Its time to move on. Everybody, unless your Mueller, gets a certain amount of time.

But Ireland had an excellent offseason. No one can deny that and playing hindsight 20-20 is garbage.

Keller injury hurt hus. Gibson was a great pickup. injured.

he got Grimes and patterson. Anyone want to bitch about this? ok injuries to patterson, but Ireland cannot control that once again.

He brought younger LB's here for actually cheaper than Dansby/Bennett over the long haul. Wheeler sucks at tackling so hindsight 20-20 again.

He jumped up to get Dion Jordan. I still think this is a great move. He was not sold on the Oklahoma Tackle. anyone else? All the rookies on this team are kept at bay by the coaches. Its their philosophy.

We have Wilson and Matthews who are key players now who were late round picks. Carroll and Jones were 5th round picks. Pretty good value there.

Odrick is proving his draft status minus first year injury.

Pouncey was worth the 15th pick in the draft. RT is a good QB over time. He needs a good OL in order to succeed as well as Lamar Miller.

Ireland has some bad moves too. Daniel Thomas was not worth what we gave up but at least he learned his lesson with gettin lamar in 4th round. Egnew is 3rd rounder, he is coming along but it will be too late or not worth in the end by the time his contract is up.

Jeff Ireland is hated mostly becuase of "momma a prosititute?". Now Jonathan Martin is a very large stain on this franchise and he used a 2nd round pick on him. He set us back in many ways. This is why he should be gone in the end here. He was not a Philbin guy to begin with and went along with owners wishes. I think its just time for him to move on. Quite frankly, I dont see anyone else coming in here and doing better unless they get lucky with some star player falling to us. There is alot of luck involved too.
 
He's made way worse moves than just Daniel Thomas and Michael Egnew. Drafting John Jerry when Jimmy Graham and was on the board? AJ Edds, Koa Misi over Gronk, Sean Lee, etc? That's just 2010. Why are some of you so afraid of losing Ireland ?
 
Now for the moving the team. If I were the owner, and had some balls, which I do, I would have some things in my back pocket to prove to Roger the dodger goodell that moving out of Miami is best for the league.

1) The market has not been good even when Marino here. There were times we sold out completely, but not like other markets still.

2) The stadium issue. No support from local politicians to get new stadium at league request for Super Bowl and many other attractions

3) The people of Miami would not miss having a football team as much as the Cleveland Browns did. There just is not that great an overrall interest in football aggregately speaking.

4) Being in a new market (such as San Antonio), would mean we could stay in AFC East like the Cowboys are in NFC East.

5) A market such as San Antonio would be ideal. Still Growing city and 10th largest city in a Texas football meca world. The anticipation of having a team there would easily sell out and would bring more revenue into the NFL. Building a stadium there would not be a problem.

Downside.

Losing tradition. yeah, hows that tradition working out for us? Miami is largely hispanic and filled with translplant retiree's or people who are fans of other teams who end up living there. Alot of Miami fans are out of state anyways. People such as myself who are tired of seeing embarrassment of empty stadiums and excuses in a toxic environment now with this martin deal. Get out of the Beach/nightlife/touristy city called Miami. Its no longer meant to have a football team. No pride. No committment to anything and ragdoll to the media in terms of respect in the football world.

Thank you and have a nice day!

PS Change is good for everyone.
 
Have you ever been to south Florida? Did you have a bad trip down here or something and now are judging an entire city on one personal experience? The stadium was rocking in the Marino days and even for a while after, and the orange bowl, forget about it, best crowd in sports in its day. How can you say the people of miami would miss the team less than the people of Cleveland that's a really stupid statement with no fact behind it. So you think moving a team from south florida, a huge city that spans multiple counties and tens of millions of people to a city in Texas with a population. Under 2 million makes any sense from a business standpoint. It's more than asses in stadium seats, it's merchandise local partners and a whole plethora of other things beyond ticket sales. Also what does miami having a lot of Hispanics have anything to do with anything, there are many Hispanic fans of the team, myself included .
 
Ireland is responsible for producing a winner. He hasnt done that. Its time to move on. Everybody, unless your Mueller, gets a certain amount of time.

Agreed out of 5 years he's has yet to significantly improved the talent on the team. He has missed on over 90% of his 2nd and 3rd round draft picks and while he has found a few gems in later rounds it is not nearly enough to offset the blatant misses in the "money rounds".

But Ireland had an excellent offseason. No one can deny that and playing hindsight 20-20 is garbage.

Really...he over paid for a WR who doesn't fit the offensive system implemented by Philbin and Sherman the year before, he allowed one of the best play making RB's to walk (a guy who wanted to stay in Miami) and failed up address the offsive line which is proving to be the Achilles heel of the offense.

Keller injury hurt hus. Gibson was a great pickup. injured.

Don't disagree I liked Keller a lot and thought Gibson was playing well until his injury...but it doesn't make up for the Wallace signing.

he got Grimes and patterson. Anyone want to bitch about this? ok injuries to patterson, but Ireland cannot control that once again.

Grimes is fantastic and was a much better fit for the system, but Patterson has done well, but the guy has a history of injuries, so him beng out should not have been a surprised and you would expect some of the rookie CB's to fill that void, but they were drafted in the second and third round and we know how those picks work out.

He brought younger LB's here for actually cheaper than Dansby/Bennett over the long haul. Wheeler sucks at tackling so hindsight 20-20 again.

Wheeler was second rounf pick who has never played to his ability, why would we expect him to start now and watching some film on him from his previous stints shows he's never had any instincts. Ellerbe was another odd move as he was ILB in a 3-4 and the Dolphins run a 4-3...that's two players he's acquired that don't fit the teams established systems.

He jumped up to get Dion Jordan. I still think this is a great move. He was not sold on the Oklahoma Tackle. anyone else? All the rookies on this team are kept at bay by the coaches. Its their philosophy.

Really, Jordan is again a 3-4 OLB and the Dolphins run a 4-3 (that's now 3 players acquired that don't fit the system) he was injured and delayed coming into camp. THe biggest issue is the move up for him and using the second rounder that should have helped the Phins bring in B. Albert....there is no hindsight here the LT position was an issue and needed to be addressed. So what if he wasn't sold on the T from Oklahoma, he could have had a better, established OT for a second rounder and used his 1st on another player that could have had an impact instead on an injured top five pick that playing out of position.

We have Wilson and Matthews who are key players now who were late round picks. Carroll and Jones were 5th round picks. Pretty good value there.

As I said above, he's found a few gems late in the draft, but doesn't excuse his horrible drafting in the second and third rounds?

Odrick is proving his draft status minus first year injury.

Great, he hit on a 1st rounder....most people on this forum can get drafting a 1st rounder correct.

Pouncey was worth the 15th pick in the draft. RT is a good QB over time. He needs a good OL in order to succeed as well as Lamar Miller.

Again, he can draft contributors in the 1st round....so does most GMs in the NFL...

Ireland has some bad moves too. Daniel Thomas was not worth what we gave up but at least he learned his lesson with gettin lamar in 4th round. Egnew is 3rd rounder, he is coming along but it will be too late or not worth in the end by the time his contract is up.

Some...bad moves....a lot of bad moves....almost very second and third rounder can be seen as poor to really bad moves.

Jeff Ireland is hated mostly becuase of "momma a prosititute?". Now Jonathan Martin is a very large stain on this franchise and he used a 2nd round pick on him. He set us back in many ways. This is why he should be gone in the end here. He was not a Philbin guy to begin with and went along with owners wishes. I think its just time for him to move on. Quite frankly, I dont see anyone else coming in here and doing better unless they get lucky with some star player falling to us. There is alot of luck involved too.

That quote is one of the only things I liked about him....

Plenty of GM do much better jobs at drafting and I could easily see this team vastly improving with a good off-season, but I don't trust Ireland to handle it (based on his track record). I hate when people say drafting is "luck"....teams have whole departments who are dedicated to evaluating college and pro talent and how they fit on the team...Ireland is payed millions to evaluate players and make decisions based on those evaluations...it is not luck, it is suppose to be based off experience and knowledge.
 
Have you ever been to south Florida? Did you have a bad trip down here or something and now are judging an entire city on one personal experience? The stadium was rocking in the Marino days and even for a while after, and the orange bowl forget about it, best crowd in sports in its day. How can you say the people of miami would miss the team less than the people of Cleveland that's a really stupid statement with no fact behind it. So you think moving a team from south florida, a huge that spans multiple counties and tens of millions of people to a city in Texas with a population. Under 2 million makes any sense from a business standpoint. It's more than asses in stadium seats, it's merchandise local patterns and a whole plethora of other things beyond ticket sales. Also what does miami having a lot of Hispanics have anything to do with anything, there are many Hispanic fans of the team, myself included .

I dont deny there are Hispanic fans of the team. I hear there accents on the radio and see them on here. But the overrall culture of the city does not lend itself to american football anymore in an AGGREGATE sense anymore. If the city is mostly hispanic and full of transplants and retiree's on fixed incomes, it spells nothing but bad market to me.

I lived in Ft. Lauderdale in the 1980's for about 3 months. Nice weather. Different breed of people than other places I have been. I served in the US Army. Ive been alot of places, including stationed in Panama.
 
Convienient,

i dont disagree with you on 2nd/3rd rounders. I mentioned some of them didnt I?

I guess my point here is that for all the mistakes Ireland made drafting, you could easily look around the leauge (which Datruth did last year showing all the drafting from 06-10) and you would find that Ireland is in good company with missing on picks.

Regardless, time for him to go.

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and yes, luck is involved when it comes to injuries.
 
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