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Section126 said:
I was given a warning for piling on when another liberal poster obliterated ohall... Why does this guy get a free pass?
Why is it???
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I was given a warning for piling on when another liberal poster obliterated ohall... Why does this guy get a free pass?
Section126
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Because I am a Republican and Bush has his henchmen monitoring this forum. Watch your step there.....:tantrum:
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IMHO, it is very clear that the PoFo desperately needs either:
1) moderators who moderate and don't get involved in the debate... or
2) at least one active liberal moderator to even out the conservative one or two who control, ridicule and silence opinion
1) moderators who moderate and don't get involved in the debate... or
2) at least one active liberal moderator to even out the conservative one or two who control, ridicule and silence opinion
Show me one instance where legitimate debate was silenced or halted by moderator(s) in the Political Forum.PressCoverage said:
If it's fairness you are asking about, I have banned many more "Cons" than I have dems, however the specifics and names will not be talked about in this forum or any other, because those people served their time, and for the most part returned to the PoFo, and haven't given us many problems since then.
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I believe i respectfully documented six instances of hypocrisy in a private message i sent to you... You know, the one you brought out to a public thread to dispute without every really writing me back personally?
Regardless, you sway PoFo opinion and extent of responses after you enter the debate itself... You're a super moderator, for God sakes... Don't you feel it's a bit of a conflict of interest to be jumping into the fray on one side, and not merely monitoring the fray?
Regardless, you sway PoFo opinion and extent of responses after you enter the debate itself... You're a super moderator, for God sakes... Don't you feel it's a bit of a conflict of interest to be jumping into the fray on one side, and not merely monitoring the fray?
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I never saw any warning before that post ... Not saying it didn't exist, just saying i don't remember seeing it in that particular instance... Saying someone "lacks a longrange clue" didn't seem like a suspendable offense, considering I've seen it from others only about 50 times with no suspension... If those are the grounds for "annoyance", then why aren't the suspensions raining down?
Regardless, don't you feel that's a little flimsy, to assume everyone saw your warning in one part of one post among 50 or so? Hopefully the new warning system irons that out.
The point is, you, as a super moderator, jump all over me and other anti-war posters with your own rhetoric in the debate itself. That is fine. But, it seems to take a hell of a lot more for a conservative poster to get a warning, suspension, or to have his post/poll moved or deleted.
I show a lot more respect than some of your allies in the PoFo, who flat insult, lie and misrepesent their opponent's very words altogether. Nothing is ever really done about it. I say for the first time ever "he lacks a longrange clue about geopolitics" and i'm given the public fast track to 24 hour break.
In response to your treatment, i've stepped up complaints in the face of several personal insults received. I've yet to receive a response or see a single warning given.
Again, I really don't care. And I'm not a tattler. I'm just asking for fair treatment from the refs in the most volatile forum on this site.
Regardless, don't you feel that's a little flimsy, to assume everyone saw your warning in one part of one post among 50 or so? Hopefully the new warning system irons that out.
The point is, you, as a super moderator, jump all over me and other anti-war posters with your own rhetoric in the debate itself. That is fine. But, it seems to take a hell of a lot more for a conservative poster to get a warning, suspension, or to have his post/poll moved or deleted.
I show a lot more respect than some of your allies in the PoFo, who flat insult, lie and misrepesent their opponent's very words altogether. Nothing is ever really done about it. I say for the first time ever "he lacks a longrange clue about geopolitics" and i'm given the public fast track to 24 hour break.
In response to your treatment, i've stepped up complaints in the face of several personal insults received. I've yet to receive a response or see a single warning given.
Again, I really don't care. And I'm not a tattler. I'm just asking for fair treatment from the refs in the most volatile forum on this site.
(quick note... I Just had an entire book of a response deleted because the system logged me out, I'll try to recreate the better parts of it...)
First things first, I have no allies in the Pofo, I side with no one, and no one sides with me. I say what is on my mind, in a manner that adheres to the rules (well unless blitz is concerned, but I consider him a friend, and we have an understanding, I think) and if someone agrees with me fine, and if they don't, well that's good too, what's the point of debate if everyone agrees with everyone else? Second the PoFo is not a war zone, it is a debate forum, if you want trash talk and to bash other posters, the depths of the sea is just down the hall.
Second, you may percieve me as biased, but then as proven by your recent posts, everyone who isn't with you, must be against you, middle ground need not apply. That's fine too, I can't help how you percieve me or anyone else, the only thing I promise anyone is that I'll ban everyone with equal enthusiasim, provided I think it is warrented. And in your case, at the time I gave you the ban, I felt you had been warned in the past and that a reminder wasn't needed. You don't agree with that line of reasoning, okay, so how do you propose to fix that problem?
Let me point out the things you have done to fix that problem.
Good: report posts that are bashing other posters, or are against TOS. Very good that is all we ask of all of our posters.
Bad: You took several oppurtunties to critisize Moderator(s) in thread, and you were informed more than once where the proper forum for such questioning was. In fact this very thread started with yet another off topic post aimed at critisizing Moderator(s).
As to missing other posts that were of personal attack in nature, the POFO is the third largest forum on Finheaven, think about that. Do you honestly think that working two jobs, caring for a wife, my son, animals, and a little free time to myself away from a computer, that I can participate in every thread, and moderator every post? Be honest, with yourself, and realize the answer is no.
Finally if you feel you were owed an apology, all you had to do was say so, should you have to ask for one? No, but taking the approach you took doesn't exactly encourage anyone to review your case and to take your side.
Regardless, I'm sorry that you didn't recieve a warning prior to your ban, I thought (wrongly) that an in-thread warning would be enough to stop the rancor the night you were banned. I was wrong.
I hope this clears up matters. And one more note, I am far less likely to ban anyone in any thread I participate in, because that is a personal rule of mine, that if I am involved, I won't take action in a thread, unless it is something obvious like a cuss word. And even then, I'll report the post and let another mod take care of it.
Anything else you want to talk about? I sure we can handle it here or via another PM. And yes, sometimes PMs are discussed with other staff, to handle esp. difficult cases, or ones a staff member feels they are too involved with.
First things first, I have no allies in the Pofo, I side with no one, and no one sides with me. I say what is on my mind, in a manner that adheres to the rules (well unless blitz is concerned, but I consider him a friend, and we have an understanding, I think) and if someone agrees with me fine, and if they don't, well that's good too, what's the point of debate if everyone agrees with everyone else? Second the PoFo is not a war zone, it is a debate forum, if you want trash talk and to bash other posters, the depths of the sea is just down the hall.
Second, you may percieve me as biased, but then as proven by your recent posts, everyone who isn't with you, must be against you, middle ground need not apply. That's fine too, I can't help how you percieve me or anyone else, the only thing I promise anyone is that I'll ban everyone with equal enthusiasim, provided I think it is warrented. And in your case, at the time I gave you the ban, I felt you had been warned in the past and that a reminder wasn't needed. You don't agree with that line of reasoning, okay, so how do you propose to fix that problem?
Let me point out the things you have done to fix that problem.
Good: report posts that are bashing other posters, or are against TOS. Very good that is all we ask of all of our posters.
Bad: You took several oppurtunties to critisize Moderator(s) in thread, and you were informed more than once where the proper forum for such questioning was. In fact this very thread started with yet another off topic post aimed at critisizing Moderator(s).
As to missing other posts that were of personal attack in nature, the POFO is the third largest forum on Finheaven, think about that. Do you honestly think that working two jobs, caring for a wife, my son, animals, and a little free time to myself away from a computer, that I can participate in every thread, and moderator every post? Be honest, with yourself, and realize the answer is no.
Finally if you feel you were owed an apology, all you had to do was say so, should you have to ask for one? No, but taking the approach you took doesn't exactly encourage anyone to review your case and to take your side.
Regardless, I'm sorry that you didn't recieve a warning prior to your ban, I thought (wrongly) that an in-thread warning would be enough to stop the rancor the night you were banned. I was wrong.
I hope this clears up matters. And one more note, I am far less likely to ban anyone in any thread I participate in, because that is a personal rule of mine, that if I am involved, I won't take action in a thread, unless it is something obvious like a cuss word. And even then, I'll report the post and let another mod take care of it.
Anything else you want to talk about? I sure we can handle it here or via another PM. And yes, sometimes PMs are discussed with other staff, to handle esp. difficult cases, or ones a staff member feels they are too involved with.
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To start off, PC... I don't give a rat's hind quarters about politics. I don't even know enough about parties and all of that nonsense to classify someone based on their beliefs. I really have no interest in it at all.
You should also know that I've read every PM you've sent, and that yes the staff does share information with each other. We're a team, and you don't get the option to deal strictly with one mod... it just doesn't work that way.
Also note that while we appreciate your reporting posts as you should, you are not a moderator of this forum. You have no right to report posts with the expectation that a moderator will agree with you and take action, and you certainly have no right to get upset or feel slighted when they don't. Your situation and everyone else’s' situation are not one in the same, so you should not expect every post you report to be acted upon in the same manner that you have received in the past.
When you report a post in the manner you have taken to doing, you should note that it is not well received. You are actually hurting your cause by taking an authoritative tone, and giving the mod a feeling of being told how to do his or her job. We do not condone what I like to call "comparative reporting" and yes, it does make you a tattletale. This is not the route to go if you feel the post is a legitimate concern, it often results in no action being taken. This is true in any forum, despite political affiliation, gender, sexual orientation, sports team preferences, favorite foods, favorite color, and anything else you might feel we are biased towards. Also, keep in mind that we do not handle every reported post in the same manner... sometimes a private warning that you are not privy to is warranted. Please do not pretend that you know everything that goes on, because I can assure you that you do not.
As for your specific case, since you don't seem to mind discussing it in public:
When a member has to be warned several times within a fairly small space of time, more serious action is taken. We do not generally ban someone on their first offense, unless it is of a particularly heinous nature. Also, we know that people feel fairly strong about issues discussed within this forum, so we are much, much more forgiving about offenses that take place. It takes quite a bit to push a mod to the point of banning you, so you should keep that in mind.
I have, and will continue to monitor Bill's decisions in this forum, and I will act if I ever feel he is being biased or unfair in his moderation. To date, he has not given me any reason to.
If we really wanted to silence you, we could very easily ban anyone who apposes our beliefs summarily and permanently. You should note that 99% of the bans that take place in this forum are for 24 hours, and as such designed simply to give someone who is hot under the collar a chance to cool off. More to the point, if we really wanted to silence people... we'd simply remove this forum altogether and make our lives easier, being that this is a Miami Dolphins message board and all.
We don't do that though, because we want to give our members what they want. Playing the "everyone is out to get me" card is overdone, and quite frankly it's lame. I would expect this forum to contain the best and brightest of Finheaven given the sort of individuals who are drawn to it's discussion. Drop the martyr act, and really look at the facts and it should be quite obvious that we are not biased at all.
You should also know that I've read every PM you've sent, and that yes the staff does share information with each other. We're a team, and you don't get the option to deal strictly with one mod... it just doesn't work that way.
Also note that while we appreciate your reporting posts as you should, you are not a moderator of this forum. You have no right to report posts with the expectation that a moderator will agree with you and take action, and you certainly have no right to get upset or feel slighted when they don't. Your situation and everyone else’s' situation are not one in the same, so you should not expect every post you report to be acted upon in the same manner that you have received in the past.
When you report a post in the manner you have taken to doing, you should note that it is not well received. You are actually hurting your cause by taking an authoritative tone, and giving the mod a feeling of being told how to do his or her job. We do not condone what I like to call "comparative reporting" and yes, it does make you a tattletale. This is not the route to go if you feel the post is a legitimate concern, it often results in no action being taken. This is true in any forum, despite political affiliation, gender, sexual orientation, sports team preferences, favorite foods, favorite color, and anything else you might feel we are biased towards. Also, keep in mind that we do not handle every reported post in the same manner... sometimes a private warning that you are not privy to is warranted. Please do not pretend that you know everything that goes on, because I can assure you that you do not.
As for your specific case, since you don't seem to mind discussing it in public:
When a member has to be warned several times within a fairly small space of time, more serious action is taken. We do not generally ban someone on their first offense, unless it is of a particularly heinous nature. Also, we know that people feel fairly strong about issues discussed within this forum, so we are much, much more forgiving about offenses that take place. It takes quite a bit to push a mod to the point of banning you, so you should keep that in mind.
I have, and will continue to monitor Bill's decisions in this forum, and I will act if I ever feel he is being biased or unfair in his moderation. To date, he has not given me any reason to.
If we really wanted to silence you, we could very easily ban anyone who apposes our beliefs summarily and permanently. You should note that 99% of the bans that take place in this forum are for 24 hours, and as such designed simply to give someone who is hot under the collar a chance to cool off. More to the point, if we really wanted to silence people... we'd simply remove this forum altogether and make our lives easier, being that this is a Miami Dolphins message board and all.
We don't do that though, because we want to give our members what they want. Playing the "everyone is out to get me" card is overdone, and quite frankly it's lame. I would expect this forum to contain the best and brightest of Finheaven given the sort of individuals who are drawn to it's discussion. Drop the martyr act, and really look at the facts and it should be quite obvious that we are not biased at all.
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Wait a minute....I just realized something (because I thought it was too ridiculous to be true)....
Did this guy report me and wanted me banned because of the post of mine he quoted?
Is this what went on here?
Is this a joke?
Did this guy report me and wanted me banned because of the post of mine he quoted?
Is this what went on here?
Is this a joke?
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PressCoverage said:
first of all... read phinphanphrommi's post above...absorb it. One thing to be sure of, I agree with everything he said, as does the entire staff.
second of all... moderators shouldn't be allowed to enter a debate? why? because they sometimes don't take your side? C'mon man, that's absurd. Moderators and Admins are a part of the conversations in EVERY forum on this site. If we don't agree with the Dolphins signing TO, the we have every right to express our opinions in the Dolphins forums... same holds true with the Poli forum.
third ... again... I'm niehter "active conservative" nor "active liberal", and I'm in there quite a bit.... I rather resent the "libs" who want to label me as a "con", and the "cons" that want to label me as a "lib", simply because I don't agree with everything they believe in. Rather short-sighted, if you ask me.
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This can be handled without your "help".Section126 said:
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inFINSible said:
I am not offering any "help".
I asked a question and made an observation....no need to get smug.
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Section126 said:
No need to be beligerent either :wink:
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