why not build around matt moore...

[67Stang]

I don't get all the insults. The fact is that VERY few teams have the type of superstar QB that we would all like to see here. For the most part, I think Moore has played pretty well. If we can get someone to compete with him, that is great. In the second half of the season, Moore was far from the worst QB starting in the league. I would not want to see us pay a huge price for Griffin, he is unproven. IMO there are a LOT of ways this team can improve and win more games. With Moore, I honestly believe that QB is not our biggest or only problem.

Moore has played well enough for a 6-7 record, losing 3 games by himself with fumbles.

 

[Rev Kev]

dolphins13 can also factor in Reggie Bush and his YPC average in the first half and second half I am sure Moore gets credit for that like you guys give Moore credit for the D - what a joke

 

[LANGER72]

I think Moore plays better than Henne. I am no supporter of both, it just the way I see it. I thought Henne was the better QB earlier in the season, but now I have changed my mind about him after watching Moore.
I would rather that we sign Flynn because he has played well in his opportunities to compete with Moore. He is a free agent so we can get him without compensation. We need to bring him in and bury him with Ross's money.
If Henne is the best other free agent available, then sign him.
We should also draft a mid level project QB. We have too many needs to be sacrificing the top picks in the next 2-3 drafts to get a shot at RGIII. I would love to have RGIII, but not play triple the price. The acts of desparation always get us into trouble. It is going to take at least a few years and multiple player turnover before we find ourselves in a super bowl game. We need to keep drafting QB's every year, until we can find a better guy.
The bottom line is we need to be able to score 40 points a game with regularity. We need to add more play makers to make it happen.
That was the topic of this post, not getting into a pissing battle over Moore and Henne.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

i love how people continue to say that moore had a run game to go along with him and a better defense. well that is true, but lets see why that happened?

maybe when you have a qb, who although is far from all world talent, but someone defenses have to respect somewhat, that opens up the run game, making for longer sustained drives, leading to less 3 and outs, which = more rest for defense,and when you all add it up= better pass game= more running lanes which=better running game which= longer drives which = more rested defense which = more productive defense.

maybe henne supporters that is why just coincidentally moore takes over and our run game looks productive, our defense plays much better and all.

also, in 2009 when henne had a good run game, he still never looked this good, although i will admit in 2009 i thought henne may have had a future, that was in 2009 however, but when he regressed the way he did in 2010, i realized i was being way to hopeful.

 

[Rev Kev]

i love how people continue to say that moore had a run game to go along with him and a better defense. well that is true, but lets see why that happened?

maybe when you have a qb, who although is far from all world talent, but someone defenses have to respect somewhat, that opens up the run game, making for longer sustained drives, leading to less 3 and outs, which = more rest for defense,and when you all add it up= better pass game= more running lanes which=better running game which= longer drives which = more rested defense which = more productive defense.

maybe henne supporters that is why just coincidentally moore takes over and our run game looks productive, our defense plays much better and all.

also, in 2009 when henne had a good run game, he still never looked this good, although i will admit in 2009 i thought henne may have had a future, that was in 2009 however, but when he regressed the way he did in 2010, i realized i was being way to hopeful.

Yuppers Matt "House Money" Moore elevated the Run Game and the Run Defense someone quick get that boy signed up to a long term extension

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Yuppers Matt "House Money" Moore elevated the Run Game and the Run Defense someone quick get that boy signed up to a long term extension

wow dude you are so clueless when it comes to football.

no one here, including myself said sign moore up to a long term contract genius.

however, if you had any knowledge of the game of football, you would know then when a team has a respectable pass game, does not have to be great but respectable, that will open up some running lanes due to the defense not being able to stack the box all the time.

do you think its just a coincidence that when moore took over all parts of the offense, including the run game start clicking on all cylinders?

again, no one is ****ing saying that moore is our for sure answer long term, what we are saying to you, who is still unwilling to admit it, is that moore is a much better qb than henne, if you watch the games you would see.

now what does that mean? being better than henne does not mean much at all, but will see what happens. you deff should support moore because whether you like it or not he will more likely than not be our starter, or at the very least go into training camp as the leading candidate for the starting position in 2012. im not saying you have to say he is tom brady or that, but can you ****ing admit he is better than henne which you are unwilling to do?

 

[DolfanISS]

wow due you are so clueless when it comes to football.

no one here, including myself said sign moore up to a long term contract genius.

however, if you had any knowledge of the game of football, you would know then when a team has a respectable pass game, does not have to be great but respectable, that will open up some running lanes due to the defense not being able to stack the box all the time.

do you think its just a coincidence that when moore took over all parts of the offense, including the run game start clicking on all cylinders?

again, no one is ****ing saying that moore is our for sure answer long term, what we are saying to you, who is still unwilling to admit it, is that moore is a much better qb than henne, if you watch the games you would see.

now what does that mean? being better than henne does not mean much at all, but will see what happens. you deff should support moore because whether you like it or not he will more likely than not be our starter, or at the very least go into training camp as the leading candidate for the starting position in 2012. im not saying you have to say he is tom brady or that, but can you ****ing admit he is better than henne which you are unwilling to do?

The thing is if you like Moore at all you automatically think he's a future pro bowler who should be immediately signed to a 10 year 100 million dollar extension. There is no middle ground on Finheaven, there never has been. I've said some positive things about Moore but would absolutely love for him to be replaced by someone who is better. I just don't want to replace him to replace him, which is a camp that will become very popular on here if we miss out if the big name replacements. I also don't want to give up the farm for someone who might be better. Realistically there is a good chance we don't get Luck, RGIII, Manning or even Flynn. If that's the case there's a good chance we get Moore. That's when the forum will be loaded with hairbrain schemes on replacing him with guys who likely have no shot.

 

[yr of 7 deuce]

This is the national football league people. You will never win with a qb that isn’t a top 8 qb in the league. Defense wins championships……….if you have a good qb. Here’s a list of all qb’s who have won superbowls.

Other than maybe Len Dawson, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson………most if not all either are in the hall of fame or will be one day and or have won regular season mvp’s if not multiple in most cases. You can take Moore and throw him off a f’ng bridge after looking at this list. There isn’t 1 run of the mill qb on this list in the past 25 years other than Dilfer. Hell, Johnson was even a top 8 qb in his prime. Pretty impressive list if you start trying to figure out who all is in H.O.F. or will be one day.

Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs

 

[Vaark]

It's convenient to hone in on Moore's one Achilles Heel: fumbles while overlooking that he was one of the most accurate 25+yd passers in the league. It is an issue like Henne's carelessness and inability to read defenses or lock on receivers was, regardless of who was calling the plays. The real question is how many of his fumbles actually resulted directly or indirectly in game losses vs. Henne's interceptions including but not limited to Pick6s? If the figure of 3 fumbles is accurate, and I don't know that it is, I've gotta guess that Henne's interceptions have been responsible for 6-8 losses, at the least. And how many more wins would Moore have had if Marshall could have held on to on the money end zone passes? I count a couple of touchdowns and at least 1, maybe 2 or more wins.

Bottom line: I honestly believe that if Sparano had allowed for a legitimate camp competition we would have been challenging the jest in game 16 for a wild card berth. All I know is that in going the 6-3 over the last 9 games, Matt Ryan beat one winning team, and as it was, that was TN whose record changed in week 16 on a fluke. The teams he beat had a miserable cumulative record of 54-90. And he made the playoffs where he actually fared a lot worse vs the Giants than did Moore.

 

[Rev Kev]

wow dude you are so clueless when it comes to football.

no one here, including myself said sign moore up to a long term contract genius.

however, if you had any knowledge of the game of football, you would know then when a team has a respectable pass game, does not have to be great but respectable, that will open up some running lanes due to the defense not being able to stack the box all the time.

do you think its just a coincidence that when moore took over all parts of the offense, including the run game start clicking on all cylinders?

again, no one is ****ing saying that moore is our for sure answer long term, what we are saying to you, who is still unwilling to admit it, is that moore is a much better qb than henne, if you watch the games you would see.

now what does that mean? being better than henne does not mean much at all, but will see what happens. you deff should support moore because whether you like it or not he will more likely than not be our starter, or at the very least go into training camp as the leading candidate for the starting position in 2012. im not saying you have to say he is tom brady or that, but can you ****ing admit he is better than henne which you are unwilling to do?

Yah Moore def stopped the run turned the ball over to the offense as well - did you see that pressure from that blitz - right did you look back to see the number of Defensive Turnovers in the openning 7 games VS. the last half - thought not...

Like I said if Moore has that much impact on the D then sign him up up long term - but you and I know that not to be true - you know you hate Henne and hold him responsible for everything including Reggie Bush running between the tackles for the minimal YPC in the openning 7 games you also won't concede that Daboll also went with Henne over Moore and that is the FACT

You can't argue that Moore would have even had a sniff at the field while Daboll and Henne were working on the "new O"

Henne lit up the opponent for catches over 20 yards in the opening weeks and they didn't have any run game - next to nil - I can count 5 QBs in the NFL who can make up for their teams defects throughout the year and still win games and we do not have that QB on our roster

And since we have resorted to calling people big words insert your own below here

LOL - you are proabaly the ____________ who believes that Tebow inspires the Defense and solely put that team on his shoulders to win 5-6 in a row forgetting the other intangibles his D was stout and the other team made plenty of ill timed plays

You are the guy who has since posted in a Henne thread this awesome one liner...

"im all for bringing him (Henne) back as a waterboy that is" - there is objectivity for ya​

 

[Rev Kev]

It's convenient to hone in on Moore's one Achilles Heel: fumbles while overlooking that he was one of the most accurate 25+yd passers in the league. It is an issue like Henne's carelessness and inability to read defenses or lock on receivers was, regardless of who was calling the plays. The real question is how many of his fumbles actually resulted directly or indirectly in game losses vs. Henne's interceptions including but not limited to Pick6s? If the figure of 3 fumbles is accurate, and I don't know that it is, I've gotta guess that Henne's interceptions have been responsible for 6-8 losses, at the least. And how many more wins would Moore have had if Marshall could have held on to on the money end zone passes? I count a couple of touchdowns and at least 1, maybe 2 or more wins.

Bottom line: I honestly believe that if Sparano had allowed for a legitimate camp competition we would have been challenging the jest in game 16 for a wild card berth. All I know is that in going the 6-3 over the last 9 games, Matt Ryan beat one winning team, and as it was, that was TN whose record changed in week 16 on a fluke. The teams he beat had a miserable cumulative record of 54-90. And he made the playoffs where he actually fared a lot worse vs the Giants than did Moore.

Vk his achilles heel is that he cannot keep our team in the game when the opponent is playing well against us he is average at best and we have average already

He has terrible ball skills is really besides the point - but everyone holds their breath when he stands back there that the slightest knock he will drop the ball - when Henne stands back there everyone holds their breath he will throw a pick

I will take the guy trying to make something happen over the guy who is plain clumsy

Henne with a D and run game is certainly on par with Moore

 

[HarryBagpipe]

I feel this thread has delved into the "who's better, Justin Peele or John Nalbone" depths

 

[hoops]

The thing is if you like Moore at all you automatically think he's a future pro bowler who should be immediately signed to a 10 year 100 million dollar extension. There is no middle ground on Finheaven, there never has been. I've said some positive things about Moore but would absolutely love for him to be replaced by someone who is better. I just don't want to replace him to replace him, which is a camp that will become very popular on here if we miss out if the big name replacements. I also don't want to give up the farm for someone who might be better. Realistically there is a good chance we don't get Luck, RGIII, Manning or even Flynn. If that's the case there's a good chance we get Moore. That's when the forum will be loaded with hairbrain schemes on replacing him with guys who likely have no shot.

middle ground is matt moore...

 

[Rev Kev]

I feel this thread has delved into the "who's better, Justin Peele or John Nalbone" depths

Harry B

the thread starter - "Build around Moore" is what has people upset

But then again...

"Moore is a very good QB. He has the same skills as Joe Montana."

 

[NBP81]

Henne is only good between the 20s... he Suck in the Red Zone, thats all there is to it...