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why not build around matt moore...

Henne should be let go, that is a fact. I dont even think henne will get a back up role in the league, hes that bad. As for moore, hes a great back up but he is just that, a back up. Moore has a weak arm and is a very clumsy qb who always fumbles the ball. Sure he will have that big play a few times a game but being consistent is everything and moore will never be that, he will have a good first half, than he will be utter horrible in the 2nd half, our starting franchise qb has to be better than that. Trade everything we got for rg3 we become instant contenders with rg3.

I disagree.. Just to show everyone I am not a huge biased Henne hater, I think henne would make a great back-up. Probably one of the better back-ups in the league. Just hope your starting QB doesnt get injured and you need Henne for more than a 3 game stretch.
 
What a complete load of biased horse dung! Lets add those fumbles to the QBR and see how Moore fairs. Henne played with the same players multiple years? I don't think Henne had Bush who had over 5 yards per carry and was the major reason for our offensive success along with a Defense that set up Moore in so many perfect situations which towards the end of the season he could only convert to FG's.

More reps with the 1st string offense, dude please. The offense wasn't even half way installed at the beginning of the season. More productive? Bahahahahaha!

Hennes first 3 games 841 yards, 4 TDs 3 ints, 7.6 yards per catch, 53 points, and an 80 QBR
Moore first 3 games 539 yards, 1 TD 3 ints, 6.1 yards per catch, 38 points, and an 64.3 QBR.

Henne was leading the league in 20 plus yard passes before getting hurt and his full 1.5 yards per catch dwarfs Moore, so check down my butt. Henne was also making plays with his feet which Moore had a chance to do and didn't. Moore also had a Bye Week and a fully installed offense during his first 3 starts and the rest of the year. Everything you mentioned is completely bogus.

Also to think that Henne would not have got even better in time with the new offense and having it completely installed in a QB friendly system (something he hasn't had until this year) is total BS homerism. Once again, neither should be our starter but in comparing their first 3 starts and with Moore having the bye week and a completely installed offense, Henne smoked him.

Again, Henne had worked with the starters for multiple years where Moore had to come in with no time to acclimated to the starters. So to compare Henne first 3 games with 3 years of playing with the same people and 6 weeks of 1st team training, to Moore coming in and only having ONE week of 1st team training is not fair at all. Also, how many of those 20 plus yard passes were thrown 5 yards and how many were actually in the air for 20+ yards. You need to go back and rewatch the games. Henne threw multiple dumpoffs and let the receiver/RB do all thew work. Moore actually threw the ball DOWN THE FIELD.
 
Again, Henne had worked with the starters for multiple years where Moore had to come in with no time to acclimated to the starters. So to compare Henne first 3 games with 3 years of playing with the same people and 6 weeks of 1st team training, to Moore coming in and only having ONE week of 1st team training is not fair at all. Also, how many of those 20 plus yard passes were thrown 5 yards and how many were actually in the air for 20+ yards. You need to go back and rewatch the games. Henne threw multiple dumpoffs and let the receiver/RB do all thew work. Moore actually threw the ball DOWN THE FIELD.
What ever man, Henne had half of the offense installed and busted over 400 on NE. And no, you need to watch the games because that is complete BS! Henne was throwing those passes, not dump offs.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d8225c2f5/QB-Henne-to-WR-Bess-41-yd-pass
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8223002e/Henne-hits-Hartline-for-TD
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8222f302/Henne-rolls-in-for-TD
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82231426/Patriots-vs-Dolphins-highlights
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8225a97a/Hartline-toes-the-sideline
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82289c5b/Hartline-38-yard-catch
 
Again, Henne had worked with the starters for multiple years where Moore had to come in with no time to acclimated to the starters. So to compare Henne first 3 games with 3 years of playing with the same people and 6 weeks of 1st team training, to Moore coming in and only having ONE week of 1st team training is not fair at all. Also, how many of those 20 plus yard passes were thrown 5 yards and how many were actually in the air for 20+ yards. You need to go back and rewatch the games. Henne threw multiple dumpoffs and let the receiver/RB do all thew work. Moore actually threw the ball DOWN THE FIELD.

What a joke one IS the starter got hurt and is without a contract he is marginally better and that is why he was namd the starter - Sparano was playing for his job. Moore walks in when BM gets his head out of his *** and the D decides to show up - END OF STORY

Do the stats up and and down SAME STORY

Should we go after more than just a game manager? Absolutely. will Henne walk over to the Jets. And push Sanchez considering Tony is comfortable with Henne and their Back up is 400+ years old. Quite likely... Will Moore stay as our Back up quite likley as he is under contract and IS comfortable as a CAREER back up.
 
Yep. Was just about to say the same thing. Niners defense had nothing to do with them winning that game. Saints turned it over 5 times and it still took superb play from smith for San Fran to win

that should be obvious...i stress should be
 
As I already mentioned, but for whatever reason you decided not to acknowledge it, Henne has a win percentage of 32% while Moore has a win percentage of 55%, as a starter. Henne has a career QBR of 75. Moore has a career QBR of 80. Henne has played with the same offensive players for multiple years and took all the first team reps in a new offense until he got injured. However when Moore came in he was more productive than Henne was, with limited time. So again, how do Moore and Henne equally suck? Why is it that Henne checksdown on what seems to be 80% of his pass plays but when Moore comes he actually pushed the ball down the field? Also Henne has never ended a season with a rating higher than 79, but Moore has had one as high as 98.

Again, im not saying Moore is a franchise QB, but those that say Moore is equal to or worse than Henne are simply incorrect and illimformed by their own standards.

And so now we are at win % well ask A Rodgers how he feels about having to over compensate for his O & D deficincies week in and out?

Moore was handed that win percentage by his Defense then when the Defense isn't as sharp how many times did he starp the team on his wide shoulders and carry the team to victory? Thought so.....
 
That is so not so.. right up until after Henne was injured after starting his 4th game with an 0-4 result, in multiple posts in this thread on 10/4 you were defending Henne and blaming the team. If that's not deflection I dunno what it is. You're basically a good poster Stang when you can see the forest from the trees and strip the emotionalism out of it. Aside from you defending Henne with the same passion that you are now attacking Moore despite your denials, I'm simpling maintaining that now blaming Moore for a total team effort is the same kind of deflection that is blaming the team and receivers for Henne's failures. Just be honest and admit you're now being as relentlessly subjective about Moore as you've been all along about Henne. And this is coming from someone who agreed with you for years about Henne, at least until with my own eyes, Moore made me see that it was in fact on Henne more so than on extenuating circumstances. :idk:

Bottom line to answer your question: I guess I'm saying that one of us doesn't understand your written word. In the same spirit of heated defense of Henne which you are now using to attack Moore, on Oct 4th, after he started his 4th game resulting in a 4th loss, what follows are a couple of your defenses, deflecting blame from Henne over to the team... and that's just one thread immediately after Henne went down. Where did you ever give up on him?

Now you're a great poster ordinarily Stang, and it's not my intent to hold your feet to the fire. It's just disingenuous how you accuse me of deflecting when you've spent several years right up until the time Henne went down deflecting his shortcomings onto the team, the defense, the receivers, etc, and then claiming you've given up on him.
Dude, get real. After Henne went down and then I watched Moore for 3 games, I said neither of them should be starters. Moore and Henne = 8-8 period. That is all that matters. Instead of pulling up Henne posts to defend Moores poor play and fumbling problems that cost us 3 games by themselves, maybe you should stop being the pot calling the kettle black.
 
Its absolute insanity to think Henne got the starting nod because he is better than Moore. The ONLY reason why Henne got the starting nod is because Sparano is linked to him.

Also, the D decided to show up? How mane 3 TD games did Moore have this year, how many has Henne had in his entire career?

This is fun, you Henne activists are stuggling hard to fight a losing battle. Lol
What a joke one IS the starter got hurt and is without a contract he is marginally better and that is why he was namd the starter - Sparano was playing for his job. Moore walks in when BM gets his head out of his *** and the D decides to show up - END OF STORY

Do the stats up and and down SAME STORY

Should we go after more than just a game manager? Absolutely. will Henne walk over to the Jets. And push Sanchez considering Tony is comfortable with Henne and their Back up is 400+ years old. Quite likely... Will Moore stay as our Back up quite likley as he is under contract and IS comfortable as a CAREER back up.
 
I thought this thread was about Moore as a solid starting QB which is already a shaky argument but the fact that people are still campaigning for Henne is just outrageous.

You miss the point entirely - Henne is leaving, Moore who is worse should be the back up next year not get your "free pass" based on the D standing on it's head
 
I don't get all the insults. The fact is that VERY few teams have the type of superstar QB that we would all like to see here. For the most part, I think Moore has played pretty well. If we can get someone to compete with him, that is great. In the second half of the season, Moore was far from the worst QB starting in the league. I would not want to see us pay a huge price for Griffin, he is unproven. IMO there are a LOT of ways this team can improve and win more games. With Moore, I honestly believe that QB is not our biggest or only problem.
 
MOORE and BOWLES - NOT buying

Using dolphins13 logic - he should support Bowles as HC and/or DC as much as supports Moore as QB pretty much the same issue Bowles SECONDARY SUCKED openning 7 games Moore never saw much of the field - last half the D picks it up when the sesaon is OVER now Bowles walks on water? Moore walks on water because he was lucky not to be the starter in the openning 7 weeks when the D couldn't stop a high school offense? NOT BUYING THAT

Never choose a guy who has nothing to lose to begin with you know the saying in poker "playing with house money" - both Bowles and Moore are playing with House Money
 
Its absolute insanity to think Henne got the starting nod because he is better than Moore. The ONLY reason why Henne got the starting nod is because Sparano is linked to him.

Also, the D decided to show up? How mane 3 TD games did Moore have this year, how many has Henne had in his entire career?

This is fun, you Henne activists are stuggling hard to fight a losing battle. Lol

I guarantee you Henne would have had multiple 3 TD games in Dabols system. Look how many games it took Moore to get comfortable after having the entire offense installed. Hennes year as a starter were under a system not set up for QBs to throw TDs. When we broke the 50, in came the WildCAT. Henne also had multiple easy TDs dropped before getting hurt. Common sense eludes some on here.
 
Its absolute insanity to think Henne got the starting nod because he is better than Moore. The ONLY reason why Henne got the starting nod is because Sparano is linked to him.

Also, the D decided to show up? How mane 3 TD games did Moore have this year, how many has Henne had in his entire career?

This is fun, you Henne activists are stuggling hard to fight a losing battle. Lol

UNBELIEVEABLE the stuff that comes out your mouth - Tony was playing to keep his career job and he chose the QB with lesser skills and abilities? Really sir listen to yourself - and this is the fact Henne was the starter is without a contract and is leaving Moore is slightly worse is going to be second string where he belongs
 
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