54th pick

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  1. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Retired Finheaven VIP

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    With today's blowout win by the Ravens, Miami will get the 54th overall pick from the Colts.

    Here is a look at the top three rounds:

    1st round (12)
    2nd round (42)
    2nd round (54)
    3rd round (77)
    3rd round (82)
     
  2. finfromthenorth

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    I we pick well that could be 3-5 starters there. Hope Ireland gets it right.
     
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    With the amount of holes on this roster is will be 3-5 starters the question is do they become good starters?
     
  4. The Omen

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    I thought we had the 11th pick in the 2nd round (pick number 43)?
     
  5. DphinBillkiller

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    A great opportunity to pick up some impact players.
     
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    Any chance we could package anything and move up in any rounds? Or make a trade for a veteran player? Whatcha think?
     
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    Unless somebody falls into the top of the second, no. Keep the picks and start building (again, and hopefully differently).
     
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    Parcells and Ireland had a bunch of early picks in 2008 and didn't do squat with them. Drafted Long, Merling, Henne and Langford.
     
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    Remove "and Ireland" and your statement is a great point. Dont forget that not only was it the selection of bums like Long and Henne, but the passing on Matty Ice that made it such a huge blunder. After all, had Ryan been the selection at #1, that Henne pick couldve been used for a player that was actually good.
     
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    #42 is the one I'm eyeing. That's Bacarri Rambo if he's there.
     
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    I was routing hard for Baltimore!!!
     
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    According to gbnreport.com, there's still some fluidity here:

    (4:15 PM): Late game to decide three draft spots ... Three spots in the opening round selection order for the 2013 draft were up for grabs in today's two wild card playoff games, but nothing will be confirmed until the late NFC game between Seattle and Washington. If Seattle wins, St. Louis will pick 22nd with a pick acquired from Washington, followed by Minnesota at #23 and Indianapolis, which lost today's early game in Baltimore, at #24. However, if the Redskins win, then Minnesota will move up to #22, Indianapolis goes to #23 and Seattle will pick 24th. It had been determined that Cincinnati will have the 21st pick in this year's opening round after the Bengals lost to Houston in Saturday's AFC wild card game. Picks 25-32, of course, remain to be determined by upcoming playoff games.
     
  13. dlockz

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    For anyone to think that Ireland did not have major impact on every draft and free agency is a fool's folly. He did not leave Dallas just to sit on his hands. The majority of moves done in Miami were made because of Ireland, how do I know this, he is the damn GM
     
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    They actually get the 10th pick in the second round(42) because the Browns forfeited their 2nd round pick to take Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft. The Dolphins also should have the 56th pick overall from the Colts, but it is the 54th pick because of the Browns forfeited pick and the Saints also forfeit their 2nd round pick because of bountygate.
     
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    I think our pick from the Colts in the 2nd round is the 54th pick no matter what the result of the Seahawks/Redskins game is. We have to remember that teams with the same record will rotate with each round.

    So, if the Redskins lose, the first round order looks like this:

    21. Bengals (10-6) - .438
    22. Redskins (10-6) - .494
    23. Vikings (10-6) - .516
    24. Colts (11-5) - .441

    In the second round, the order is this:

    51. Redskins (10-6) - .494
    52. Vikings (10-6) - .516
    53. Bengals (10-6) - .438
    54. Colts (11-5) - .441

    Now, if the Seahawks lose, it looks like this in the first round:

    21. Bengals (10-6) - .438
    22. Vikings (10-6) - .516
    23. Colts (11-5) - .441
    24. Seahawks (11-5) - .504

    In the second round it would look like this:

    51. Vikings (10-6) - .516
    52. Bengals (10-6) - .438
    53. Seahawks (11-5) - .504
    54. Colts (11-5) - .441
     
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    I was implying good starters. That early in the draft we cannot afford to miss on good starters.
     
  17. Dakar001

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    Remember Cleveland picks ahead of us in round 2, however they like New Orleans had to forfeit their picks in the 2nd round.
     
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    Huge draft for the Dolphins. Here's hoping they don't **** it up.
     
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    How convenient. And what was Ireland doing the whole time? Bringing Parcells his coffee?
     
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    Essentially the way drafts are evaluated with 3 or 4 players to pick in each round based on value and need. Parcells would make final decision on who would be picked and would overrule Ireland in a disagreement like Pat White which is Parcells all the way etc.
     
  21. dlockz

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    Pure speculation on your part. For all we know Ireland really liked Pat white, no evidence to the contrary
     
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    No... Rambo will be there later.
     
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    Pat White is the only pick I will give Ireland a pass on because I know that one was all Parcells. The Wildcat was 100% on Parcells, he used us as his single wing guinea pigs. Every other bad pick, Ireland deserves to be criticized for.
     
  24. dlockz

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    I dont know why people assume it was all Parcells but thats all any of us can do. Not one word has ever came out that Ireland did not want White.
     
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    Because every bad pick and signing was Parcells fault Ireland gets credit for the 3 positive moves!
     
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    Yea but not just those people assume that White was only Parcells idea. I personally believe Ireland was high on White, I just dont think we draft a player that high that the gm is totally against
     
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    So Ireland had to have made a stand to by coming out in public that its either him or Pat White for you to believe that he wasn't that high on Pat White? Parcells personally said it was on him and was his evaluation. Not to mention, looking at what happened in New York shortly after Sparano arrived, I can guess who else was also liking the pick. Both Sparano and Ireland had equal standing with BP around and he made the final decisions.
     
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    Well there have been various reports about Parcells but according to a recent interview Parcells said Ireland was in control of the 2009 draft so who really knows. I believe Ireland was high on him because we drafted him and Ireland is the GM. I have seen no report that Parcells overrided everyone and said White is our guy.
     
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    I am probably the biggest Ireland detractor here ( even though others voice their opinion on here a lot more than I do) but it doesn't take a lot of brain to figure out the fact that Ireland, parcells and sparano shared a philosophy of what type of player they liked to draft and what schemes they were going to run. This means that Ireland usually drafted a type of player not suited to play in Philbin and Sherman's offense. At the end of the day though, he's been the GM since 2008 and the blame has to go on him since he's the only one left from that regime.
     
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    I would trade the 12th pick, for a late first round pick and another 3rd round pick. I think that is what Ireland, is going to do, anyways.
     
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    After he blows up the combine it's doubtful.
     
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    Long wasn't a bum and Matty Ice has proven time and time again he melts under the pressure of the playoffs.
     
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    "NFL scout: Pat White can help Miami Dolphins revolutionize the NFL
    Omar Kelly | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
    1:46 PM EDT, April 28, 2009
    Miami Dolphins czar Bill Parcells usually skips the Senior Bowl, but this year he wanted to see one specific player up close and personal.

    For one practice in Mobile, Ala., back in January, Parcells perched himself next to his former protege, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick. The two watched the full practice session together, exchanging chit-chat, observations and opinions.

    According to two NFL scouts, most inside the NFL's scouting community concluded then and there that these two NFL heavyweights were locked in on the same prospect: West Virginia quarterback Pat White.

    That's why many NFL insiders weren't surprised the Miami Dolphins used a second-round pick on White. Parcells and staff suspected they could lose White to the Patriots, who hadn't hidden their interest."

    On NFL Network, Charley Casserly, former Texans GM, and now NFLN analyst - who considers Parcells a close friend, said that Parcells told him personally that if Pat White was there with the first 2nd round pick, that he would pick him in that draft. Parcells loved what the kid did at WV, and thought he wass everything a football player should be. A leader, a winner, smart, disciplined (no fumbles on 650 rushes). It was reported by Omar (cough, cough), that Ireland didn't want to take White that high. The fear was that the Pats would take him if he was still there, so Czar Parcells made the decision to take him.

     
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    none of this says that Ireland was not high on White except your blip on Omar. As for BB I think this article shows its flawed theory since BB made no attempt to sign White once we cut him.
    I dont dount for one minute that Parcells liked White just as I dont doubt for one minute that Ireland agreed. In fact who knows what Ireland said about White prior that could have gotten Parcells excited.
    This could all be false though and just people trying to be heard, just as the Amando interview that has Parcells saying Ireland ran the show on that draft.
     
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    We'll never really know who was responsible for what so that's why you blow everybody out.
     
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    exactly the gm is still responsible
     
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    lol... ok guy, that is your opinion. I fault Ireland for a lot of other moves/non-moves, but White was all Parcells IMO.

    As for Bellichek not making a play for him, no one did, and there was no team who would after he got knocked out by Ike Taylor in his first game and later played in a special concussion helmet when he returned before being released.
     
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    We always play that same stupid card that BB wants such and such so bad. HAs he picked up Ronnie Brown yet lol.
    As for it being my opinion yes and nothing logical has been presented to make my opinion less valid on the subject.
     
  39. Show Me Your TDs

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    This is the exact reason no one picked him up. His best game was against NE running a spread variation of the wildcat. However once teams saw him throw and how he couldn't handle nfl contact game over.
     
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    Some people just won't see the forest for the trees. They will continue to blame who ever they think responsible, and continue to totally ignore the fact that NO ONE tells Parcells what to do. To think that a well respected GM could do that is ludicrous. Ireland was Parcells "coffee boy" in Dallas. There is no way possible Ireland make one f***ing pick without the the total blessing of the Felustrus Impontate.
     
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    Then why would anyone want a person that weak as their gm but oh well
     
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    So basically Ross and Huizenga paid Ireland around 3 million dollars a year to bring Parcells his coffee? I highly doubt that.
     
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    Some people on this board believe whatever it takes to make them sleep better. LIke the people that want to believe that we had no chance to sign Reggie wayne
     
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    Parcells doesn't strike me as the type of person that delegates very much authority
     
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    So u basically believe that Ireland got coffee for those three years which is not a good thing lol
     
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    I think while Jeff had a voice, nothing happened without Parcells' oversight. Exactly how much authority Ireland had may never be fully known, I just feel like if Parcells wanted anyone's opinion within the Dolphins organization, he gave it to them. The sad part is, we probably would be in better shape now if Ireland actually had control from the start.
     
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    We would be in better shape if we never dealt with Parcells thus no Sparano or ireland either. Now the Atlanta GM he would have been a good hire
     
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    You looked at that 2011 offseason and thought: "Ireland is finally released from the old ball and chains Parcells and WOWSERS!!! Color me impressed!"

    Because it looked like more of the same to me.
     
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    Because we DON'T KNOW what happened with Parcells and Ireland, I feel as though we can only judge Ireland since Parcells left. We KNOW he has been in charge since then.
     
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    And anyone who doesn't believe that Parcells didn't have final say in the draft is even more foolish. BP was paid a great deal of money to rebuild this franchise. He wasn't brought in as an observer.
     

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