Building success starts with a franchise QB

[jzolnowski]

I am not saying we should draft a QB with the first pick I dont know if there are any worth it however, I would like to say something to everyone that says you do not need a Franchise QB to win a SB. If you look at the SB winner year after year there is always a great QB on the winning team. Now before you get your panties in a bunch and argue the last few years lets take a look at it.

NE- built there team around Bledsoe(passing) then Brady(franchise) comes in and takes a pathetic team and turns them into the closest thing to a dynasty weve seen in years. Take away Brady and the Pats would be garbage. People that argue that a RB is more important.....Antoine Smith need I say more.

TB- No QB, RB, WR, infact no offense at all. I guess teams should just bank on the fact that they can build one of the best Defenses in NFL history and if your going to argue their not look at there numbers, by the way I will say that Brad Johnson is not a bum, not franchise, but not a bum.

Bal- See above, everything I said there goes for Bal also. With the exception that Dilfer is a bum.

STL-1998=garbage, 1999=SB champions, the only big change=QB.... I think that speaks for itself

So basically people argue that because of 2 flukes (TB, BAL) in about 40 years, Franchise QBs are no longer the key factor. C'mon teams do not become SB winners or Dynasties without a Franchise QB. Other positiions are important obviously but you can work around it. Without the QB its impossible. I know people will argue this but history speaks for itself. There is not much to argue when 40 years back me up and TWO can possibly back you.

 

[djfresh47]

Unless you have a franchise Qb you don't pass up the opportunity to draft one. Some of the past SB teams have won without franchise QB's but that's not gonna happen anymore, I don't think the Phins can even compete for the playoffs untill the Qb situation is addressed, the AFC is loaded with good young QB's and how are we gonna compete with AJ who has shown to be on his best day average? Maybe he'll improve but there is no way I pass on Leinhart or Rodgers with Feeley has shown so far. It comes down to whether Spielmen is the GM if the Qb situation is fixed, if Rick's gone Rodgers or Leinhart will be the QB if he's here another year of Aj. Who are the "franchise QB's" Pennington,Brady,Culpepper, Manning, Favre, Vick. Who are the young QB's who were taken to be franchise QB's-Boller, Losman, Carr, Palmer, Eli Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers. I have not seen that Feeley can be the QB of the future maybe he'll turn into a decent QB but he'll be 28 going into next season, and there comes a point where potential has to bring in some productivity and I don't believe AJ will do that.

 

[jzolnowski]

Teams who have a Franchise QB or drafted real high hoping for a Franchise QB

NE-Brady=Dynasty
NYJ-Pennington=competitve every game he plays in
BUF-Losman=hasnt taken over yet
BAL-Boller=recently starting to look like he might not be a bust
CIN-Palmer=First year as starter
PIT-Big Ben=First year and....Great
HOU-Carr=3rd year new Franchise is starting to look respectable
IND-Manning=GOD
JAX-Leftwich=All is well in JAX
TEN-Mcnair=fell off this year but everyone has an off year
SD-Rivers and Brees=Brees=good....River=TBA
NYG-Manning=just took over(looks pathetic hahaha)
PHI-Mcnabb=NFC championship game EVERY year
CHI-Grossman=looked decent last year...dead this year
DET-Harrington=hasnt matured completely might be a bust
GB-Farve=SEE PEYTON MANNING
MIN-Culpepper=Nothing needs to be said
ATL-Vick=HATE HIM, but ATL believes in him
STL-Bulger=will be there many years- mediocre
SEA-Hasselbeck= who knows 1year god next hes garbage
ARI-Mccown-(denny green beileved he was the next Farve)HAHAHAHA

That leaves....

MIA-garbage
CLE-just gave up on couch and signed Garcia
DEN-mediocre QB but still a winner
KC-best rb in leauge yet still garbage
Oak-2 old guys=garbage
DAL-vinny=garbage
WAS-OLD Brunell= garbage
CAR-Delhomme=garbage
NO-Finally having talks about getting out Brooks=garbage
TB-UMMMM=garbage
SF-Lost there great QBs and now=garbage

Funny every division leader has a solid FA QB
NE,PIT,IND,SD
PHI,GB,ATL,SEA

Every last place team has no QB
MIA,CLE,TEN,KC
WAS,DET,TB,SF

NOTE:TEN and DET whole division has Franchise QBs or QBs drafted real high

QB are a needed positon, PHI, ATL have no Rb but maintain best in NFC
Look at the stats fellas, we need a QB

 

[CrunchTime]

Teams who have a Franchise QB or drafted real high hoping for a Franchise QB

NE-Brady=Dynasty
NYJ-Pennington=competitve every game he plays in
BUF-Losman=hasnt taken over yet
BAL-Boller=recently starting to look like he might not be a bust
CIN-Palmer=First year as starter
PIT-Big Ben=First year and....Great
HOU-Carr=3rd year new Franchise is starting to look respectable
IND-Manning=GOD
JAX-Leftwich=All is well in JAX
TEN-Mcnair=fell off this year but everyone has an off year
SD-Rivers and Brees=Brees=good....River=TBA
NYG-Manning=just took over(looks pathetic hahaha)
PHI-Mcnabb=NFC championship game EVERY year
CHI-Grossman=looked decent last year...dead this year
DET-Harrington=hasnt matured completely might be a bust
GB-Farve=SEE PEYTON MANNING
MIN-Culpepper=Nothing needs to be said
ATL-Vick=HATE HIM, but ATL believes in him
STL-Bulger=will be there many years- mediocre
SEA-Hasselbeck= who knows 1year god next hes garbage
ARI-Mccown-(denny green beileved he was the next Farve)HAHAHAHA

That leaves....

MIA-garbage
CLE-just gave up on couch and signed Garcia
DEN-mediocre QB but still a winner
KC-best rb in leauge yet still garbage
Oak-2 old guys=garbage
DAL-vinny=garbage
WAS-OLD Brunell= garbage
CAR-Delhomme=garbage
NO-Finally having talks about getting out Brooks=garbage
TB-UMMMM=garbage
SF-Lost there great QBs and now=garbage

Funny every division leader has a solid FA QB
NE,PIT,IND,SD
PHI,GB,ATL,SEA

Every last place team has no QB
MIA,CLE,TEN,KC
WAS,DET,TB,SF

NOTE:TEN and DET whole division has Franchise QBs or QBs drafted real high

QB are a needed positon, PHI, ATL have no Rb but maintain best in NFC
Look at the stats fellas, we need a QB

You did your homework.If you dont mind I will keep a copy of it for reference.You are making a good arguement for a franchise QB.

I am really amazed that there are no votes for Feeley.I perceive a lack of confidence among the fans or it might be that we just dont know yet.

 

[Uggykurky]

Teams who have a Franchise QB or drafted real high hoping for a Franchise QB

NE-Brady=Dynasty
NYJ-Pennington=competitve every game he plays in
BUF-Losman=hasnt taken over yet
BAL-Boller=recently starting to look like he might not be a bust
CIN-Palmer=First year as starter
PIT-Big Ben=First year and....Great
HOU-Carr=3rd year new Franchise is starting to look respectable
IND-Manning=GOD
JAX-Leftwich=All is well in JAX
TEN-Mcnair=fell off this year but everyone has an off year
SD-Rivers and Brees=Brees=good....River=TBA
NYG-Manning=just took over(looks pathetic hahaha)
PHI-Mcnabb=NFC championship game EVERY year
CHI-Grossman=looked decent last year...dead this year
DET-Harrington=hasnt matured completely might be a bust
GB-Farve=SEE PEYTON MANNING
MIN-Culpepper=Nothing needs to be said
ATL-Vick=HATE HIM, but ATL believes in him
STL-Bulger=will be there many years- mediocre
SEA-Hasselbeck= who knows 1year god next hes garbage
ARI-Mccown-(denny green beileved he was the next Farve)HAHAHAHA

That leaves....

MIA-garbage
CLE-just gave up on couch and signed Garcia
DEN-mediocre QB but still a winner
KC-best rb in leauge yet still garbage
Oak-2 old guys=garbage
DAL-vinny=garbage
WAS-OLD Brunell= garbage
CAR-Delhomme=garbage
NO-Finally having talks about getting out Brooks=garbage
TB-UMMMM=garbage
SF-Lost there great QBs and now=garbage

Funny every division leader has a solid FA QB
NE,PIT,IND,SD
PHI,GB,ATL,SEA

Every last place team has no QB
MIA,CLE,TEN,KC
WAS,DET,TB,SF

NOTE:TEN and DET whole division has Franchise QBs or QBs drafted real high

QB are a needed positon, PHI, ATL have no Rb but maintain best in NFC
Look at the stats fellas, we need a QB

Brady wasn't drafted as a franchise qb, he was a fifth rounder. New England did their home work, and more or less got real lucky.

 

[Fin-Loco]

Heading into this years draft my big question is: Do we miss the opportunity to get a Rodgers of Leinhardt now that we'll have a pick in the top three? I mean, even if we know Feeley's the guy...how do we pass that up? Worse case scenario is we pick the top QB and then trade him for a whole barrel of a deal later on.

That way, if Feeley's the guy. Great, fantastic I couldn't be happier. If he isn't, then we have the other guy. By '06 we know what's up and either trade the drafted QB (who's been learning, watching waiting for a whole season in the NFL) Or we trade Feeley.

WIN WIN.

We have Surtain to trade to grab one of Dallas's #1 picks. We use that on the best player still available on OL or DL.

 

[gr8slayer]

Brady wasn't drafted as a franchise qb, he was a fifth rounder. New England did their home work, and more or less got real lucky.

A Tom Brady only comes around every decade or so.

 

[CrunchTime]

Heading into this years draft my big question is: Do we miss the opportunity to get a Rodgers of Leinhardt now that we'll have a pick in the top three? I mean, even if we know Feeley's the guy...how do we pass that up? Worse case scenario is we pick the top QB and then trade him for a whole barrel of a deal later on.

That way, if Feeley's the guy. Great, fantastic I couldn't be happier. If he isn't, then we have the other guy. By '06 we know what's up and either trade the drafted QB (who's been learning, watching waiting for a whole season in the NFL) Or we trade Feeley.

WIN WIN.

We have Surtain to trade to grab one of Dallas's #1 picks. We use that on the best player still available on OL or DL.

A paralel might be the Brees-Rivers situation in San Diego.

 

[CrunchTime]

Brady wasn't drafted as a franchise qb, he was a fifth rounder. New England did their home work, and more or less got real lucky.

I believe he was a sixth rounder which makes it even more amazing.How did a player with his size and obvious tools drop down so far.

 

[jzolnowski]

Brady was a lucky catch. That isnt going to happen often.

Crunchtime, I think the problem with Feeley is exactly that, who knows if he is good or not, behind this line nobody would be that impressive. The only thing we can rate Feeley on is....

Philly 01'- 1 game 10-14(71.4%) 143yds 2td 1int
Philly 02'- 6 games 86-154(55.8%) 1011yds 6td 5int

Really his stats arent impressive, there are alot of INTs that is kind of scary.
But does 7 games since 01' really prove anything. Nobody can make an accurate read on Feeley yet. All you hear is that he is a gamer. Gamer? I see his game stats. But I will say that he doesnt look bad mechanics wise, he has a decent arm, and he seems to be a tough and gritty guy. Not bad for a first year starter.

 

[Phishstix]

Heading into this years draft my big question is: Do we miss the opportunity to get a Rodgers of Leinhardt now that we'll have a pick in the top three? I mean, even if we know Feeley's the guy...how do we pass that up? Worse case scenario is we pick the top QB and then trade him for a whole barrel of a deal later on.

That way, if Feeley's the guy. Great, fantastic I couldn't be happier. If he isn't, then we have the other guy. By '06 we know what's up and either trade the drafted QB (who's been learning, watching waiting for a whole season in the NFL) Or we trade Feeley.

WIN WIN.

We have Surtain to trade to grab one of Dallas's #1 picks. We use that on the best player still available on OL or DL.

all great points. you can never have enough good qbs.

 

[KB21]

I believe the quarterback position is the most important position on the field, and I believe it is very difficult to win in the NFL without good quarterback play. Miami is an example. For the past 4+ years, they have gotten some of the worst quarterback play ever from Jay Fiedler, and they were never a legitimate threat in the playoffs.

 

[jzolnowski]

Heres another interesting note

1.Manning-1st round
2.Culpepper-1st round
3.Brees-1stpick 2nd round
4.Mcnabb-1st round
5.Griese-3rd round
6.Big Ben-1st round
7.Pennington-1st round
8.Farve-6thpick 2nd round
9.Green-8th round
10.Plummer-12pick 2nd round
11.Brady-6th round
12.Bulger-6th round
13.Carr-1st round
14.Leftwich-1st round
15.Vick-1st round
16.Harrington1st round
17.Rattay-7th round
18.Delhomme-undrafted
19.Testaverde-1st round
20.Brooks-4th round
21.Garcia-undrafted
22.Mcnair-1st round
23.Bledsoe-1st round
24.Collins-1st round
25.Hasselbeck-6th round
26.Mccown-3rd round
27.Boller-1st round
28.Warner-undrafted
29.Palmer-1st round
30.Brunell-5th round
31.Feeley-5th round
32.Grossman-1st round

16 of these32 starters are first round draft choices 50% of the starters!

3 are early 2nd rounders

2 3rd rounders who have both been benched or cut for a team

1 4th whose team is giving up on

2 5th one is feeley and we might draft another QB the other is Brunell who got benched for Ramsey a FIRST rounder

3 6th Hasselbeck, Brady, Bulger not a bad spot

1 7th Rattay there probably getting a new QB this draft

1 8th Green best RB and still cant win

3 undrafted warner won a SB but now is benched for a FIRST
Garcia- nothing bad
Delhomme- SB one year bust the next

So basically with the exception of the 3 6th rounders All of the good QBs are 1st or early second rounders .....very interesting

 

[CrunchTime]

People like to point out to the first round busts but the statistics generally point out that the franchise QBs come from that round.

 

[musphinzfan]

I believe there are a few Qbs 2 being Brad Smith that Miami could look and Jason White(knee injuries have to be a concern).

QB should be on the backburner 4 now...DT/LT/SS/FS are areas of more concern.