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Cutler better than Tannehill? No. This article says it all

DolfanISS said:
As I read this thread I wonder if some folks would even be able to admit it if Cutler plays very well this year. Somehow there will be excuses as to why. I hope he lights it up but what I think will happen is our offense will look about the same as it did with Tannehill and all we'll here about all season is how off the charts it would have been with Ryan. Some will even try to boast how much better it would have been with Kaepernick instead of Cutler. What I'm getting at is unless Cutler is lights out the QB arguments here will be aggravating and tiresome.

My opinion if Cutler plays better than Tanny I'll be able to admit it. While the "2nd year in the offense" excuse and "no learning curve" hold some water I'm not forgetting that Cutler was on his couch 4 weeks ago and had no previous experience on building timing with our group of skill players. Basically while this is not a perfect apples to apples comparison, both guys playing in the same system, for the same coach, with the same skill players, it's about as close as we can possibly get. If Jay outplays Ryan I'll be able to consider it a fair comparison and disagree with anyone who doesn't.

Enter the Tannehill excuse train before Cutler even out plays him. Is that even necessary? We're talking about a guy in Cutler who hasn't even proven he can stay healthy enough to play a full season. Let's just watch some football and see what happens.
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I will be thrilled if Cutler plays like Tannehill did (or even better) during the 7-1 stretch last season. In other words, if he picks up where Tannehill left off, sign me up.
 
Yessir said:
If you were comparing talent, the same would ring true to be quite honest.

There was nothing Gase could dial up for Tannehill, that he can't with Cutler and vice versa.
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Cutler is going to run the RO portion of Gase's scheme with success? I don't think so.
 
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Point well-taken. I should've said above that I've seen enough of those numbers over the years to infer that the distribution isn't skewed tremendously.
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The number have to be tremendously skewed. It is impossible to have a time to throw value much below 2.5 seconds simply because of the process of snapping the ball taking a few steps and checking the coverages. The quickest reasonable time to throw is probably 1.5 seconds. In order to get the average of 2.5 when you have some throws significantly higher than that, you must have a much higher percentage of throws below the average. If the range is 1.5 to 4.5 seconds, there must be a higher number of very quick throws to offset the longer times. The typical range is probably more like 2 to 4.5. That leaves 4 times has much room above the average as below.
 
I will also that the primary difference with Tannehill and others mentioned is that he consistently faces pressure from more than 1 person and I would estimate 75% there is no pocket to step up in to. This is especially true when the likes of Pouncey, Albert, James, and even Tunsil have missed multiple games and not just one of them down. Yes there have been times when he should have stepped up but that is true for every QB....maybe even a little more prevalent for Tanne, but not by a crazy amount. It can't be stressed enough how bad our O-Line has been and even more so when our starters have been out, which has been the case way too much!
 
Yessir said:
Define "success", Their numbers were identical lol. If you're talking about wins, I wouldn't go there considering you're staunchly against "QBwinz".
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Care to explain how you are quantifying the numbers in the read option plays?
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Care to explain how you are quantifying the numbers in the read option plays?
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Well for one, he ran for 201 yards and touchdown in 2015 under Gase. Which is plenty for someone who is primarily a pocket passer.

And two, there's plenty enough evidence to suggest he was fairly successful at it with a mere google search.

Studying the All-22 Coaches Film, I expected to see the Bears running the normal inside and outside zone concepts that are featured in most NFL offenses. Additionally, I thought I would see a few powers and counter plays to attack the defense between the tackles. However, I was shocked to see Chicago utilizing a handful of zone-read concepts, with Cutler executing option reads at the point of attack. Though Cutler was a standout safety and return specialist as a high school player, few expect him to use his legs to complement the Bears' rushing attack.

Yet, that's exactly what the Bears are having him do. In the play below, from last week's win over the Rams, Cutler perfectly executes the zone-read for a big gain on the perimeter. The Bears are aligned in a trix formation, with Langford positioned as the halfback. Cutler takes the snap, sticks the ball into Langford's belly, then reads the reaction of the defensive end. When the defender steps down with the run action, Cutler keeps the ball and races around the end. With the Bears also adding a bubble screen element to the concept, Cutler continues to read the reaction of the slot defender before deciding to keep the ball on the perimeter. This results in a 26-yard gain for the Bears
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-thriving-with-bears-under-john-fox-adam-gase


The most underrated part of Cutler’s game is his mobility. Cutler is a phenomenal athlete. He has run the ball 22 times for 115 yards and one touchdown in eight games. Those are impressive numbers for any quarterback. Cutler is a dual threat outside of the pocket. Gase has capitalized on Cutler’s versatile skill set and called for some read-option and roll-out plays. Gone are the days when Mike Martz used to make Cutler take seven-step drops behind a suspect offensive line. Cutler was sacked 52 times in 2010. He has been sacked 12 times this year. The offensive coordinator also plays a role in pass protection.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-be...-bears-jay-cutler-is-thriving-under-adam-gase

Like I said, virtually nothing has changed at the quarterback position in terms of what can or can't be dialed up. And Gase certainly shares that sentiment:

“He can make every throw you want,” Gase said Monday. “Good pocket skills. Fits in well with what we do. He has a really good grasp of our scheme.”
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Cutler's narrative with Chicago prior to Gase is eerily similiar to Tannehill's in Miami pre-Gase lol
 
Yessir said:
If you were comparing talent, the same would ring true to be quite honest.

There was nothing Gase could dial up for Tannehill, that he can't with Cutler and vice versa.
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Tannehill runs a much faster 40 than Cutler, and was a good WR at A&M. Cutler is a pocket passer with a rocket arm, to think there is no difference between these two athletes from a pure talent perspective, is ignorant to say the least. Now if you want to argue Cutler has better pocket presence, arm talent, etc. you would be making a valid point. But to think a guy who was a good collegiate WR and ran a 4.6 at his pro day at 6'4 is no different an athlete than Cutler, tells you a lot about the knowledge of the person making that claim.
 
Yessir said:
Define "success", Their numbers were identical lol. If you're talking about wins, I wouldn't go there considering you're staunchly against "QBwinz".
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Not a chance. :thumbsup


Yessir said:
Well for one, he ran for 201 yards and touchdown in 2015 under Gase. Which is plenty for someone who is primarily a pocket passer.

And two, there's plenty enough evidence to suggest he was fairly successful at it with a mere google search.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-thriving-with-bears-under-john-fox-adam-gase





http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-be...-bears-jay-cutler-is-thriving-under-adam-gase

Like I said, virtually nothing has changed at the quarterback position in terms of what can or can't be dialed up. And Gase certainly shares that sentiment:





Cutler's narrative with Chicago prior to Gase is eerily similiar to Tannehill's in Miami pre-Gase lol
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Well done.

When Gase was hired I reviewed Chicago's (and Denver's) offense to get a grasp on what Gase might be bringing to Miami. I saw that the Bear's offense had incorporated RO plays, but I didn't realize it was done with any real success and hadn't looked over the numbers. They are quite similar in that respect.

I will say the though that it was the first time that Cutler had ever been involved in such play calling and now it won't be a surprise to opposing defenses. Regrdless, he is not the athlete or threat that Tannehill provides. If I'm gameplanning against it now I would tell the backside EMLOS, who remains unblocked in these plays, to bear down on the angle of the RB, take my free shot at him, and force Cutler to run the ball on the front side of my defense.
 
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Yessir said:
Well for one, he ran for 201 yards and touchdown in 2015 under Gase. Which is plenty for someone who is primarily a pocket passer.

And two, there's plenty enough evidence to suggest he was fairly successful at it with a mere google search.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-thriving-with-bears-under-john-fox-adam-gase





http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-be...-bears-jay-cutler-is-thriving-under-adam-gase

Like I said, virtually nothing has changed at the quarterback position in terms of what can or can't be dialed up. And Gase certainly shares that sentiment:





Cutler's narrative with Chicago prior to Gase is eerily similiar to Tannehill's in Miami pre-Gase lol
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Nice finds. I will be thrilled if Cutler can make all the plays that Tannehill can. Like the others, I don't believe he is quite the athlete Tannehill is but the more he can do, the better it is for the offense.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Nice finds. I will be thrilled if Cutler can make all the plays that Tannehill can. Like the others, I don't believe he is quite the athlete Tannehill is but the more he can do, the better it is for the offense.
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He's smarter in the pocket.
 
What on EARTH has Yessir proved with his findings lmfao! Nick Foles rushed for 221 yards and 3 touchdowns when Chip Jelly had his goofy a** running the read option. Based on my findings, due to the production of Nick Foles rushing the ball I've come to the conclusion there was nothing Jelly could dial up for Vick that he could not dial up for Foles. They must have similar talents :roflmao Y'all too much.
 
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