canadainfin-fan
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Ha Ha very funny my lawyer is a jerk he is a cowboy fan and for me I think the rates went UP after thanksgiving :yell:Justasportsfan said:
Do You Guys Care??
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Dolfan954
Pro Bowler
Let me make my stance on this clear:dolfan87 said:
FinHeaven is a great site, and I've thought about becoming a premium member many times because I realize that this site doesn't run on peanuts, but I'm not willing to make that investment at this time.
While we all understand your point, my guess is (and I could be wrong) you won't get many takers, considering the rude way in which you went about it. Who are you to tell us what to do with our money? We have a lack of premium members, and your response is....a rant?
Good luck with that approach in business or with life in general.This kind of stuff needs to be left to AJ, Muck, TerryTate, and the rest of the staff. They market this site the right way, and communicate with members respectfully.
Dolfan954
Pro Bowler
Exactly. Getting mad and ranting is sure as hell not going to influence us to sign up.BLUEPHIN said:
Dolfan954
Pro Bowler
No one cares about what you have to say if you act like an arrogant jackass about it. We get the point, but you're demanding and not asking, and you have no right to tell us what to do with our money.dolfan87 said:
WharfRat
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Dolfan954 said:Let me make my stance on this clear:
FinHeaven is a great site, and I've thought about becoming a premium member many times because I realize that this site doesn't run on peanuts, but I'm not willing to make that investment at this time.
While we all understand your point, my guess is (and I could be wrong) you won't get many takers, considering the rude way in which you went about it. Who are you to tell us what to do with our money? We have a lack of premium members, and your response is....a rant?
This kind of stuff needs to be left to AJ, Muck, TerryTate, and the rest of the staff. They market this site the right way, and communicate with members respectfully.
We see your point, and understand completely...
You have to understand that Gram was frustrated over what he saw as an unnecessary sacrifice on AJ's part to scrape up money to keep this thing going. Feeling the need to sell off his beloved Dolphins memorabilia on Ebay is something not many of us would do to maintain a website. Sure, I'd sell every last Dolphins item I had, if it came down to that in order to feed my children... but for a website? :hmmm: honestly... how many of us would do that? AJ has been driven to make this site the best, and he's done a damn good job of it, and sacrificed more than most of you know... it's cost him loads of time, money, sweat, and sleep ... for profit? no... for Dol-Fans.
True, you get more flies with honey... but when you put out some honey, and the flies complain because it's not sweet enough... you get frustrated and pick up a fly swatter... OK...bad analogy, we're not ever going to swat anyone..... but you see my point...
WharfRat
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Dolfan954 said:
OK... I think you made your point with the first post...
now who's ranting? :confused:
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How dare you call him demanding :DDolfan954 said:
You may not also care about this but I don't think Dolfan87 was being a jacka$$ about it.
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dolfan87 said:
Well, obviously your rant had the worst kind of effect. Any leader will tell you that rants don't work to effectively motivate people unless their livelihood is on the line. A sympathetic plea may have been more effective. I can relate to many of the posts about too many bills to pay for a free website. I feel like that guy on the TV commercial with new house, new car and riding the lawn tractor who says "somebody help me". To say I'm deep in debt would be a huge understatement. But even though I just found this website, I'm willing to donate 10 bucks. If some people just donated 5 bucks each via paypal, maybe we can keep the website going. I know this website is the first one I check, instead of Miami Herald like I used to.
Dolfan954
Pro Bowler
CO wants to spend money on himself and/or bills...so do I. Is there anything wrong with that?WharfRat said:
Did CO ask you how much it would cost to run a website? Is he interested in running a website?
Is that what his post was about?
That's the kind of arrogance and disrespect I'm talking about.
Apparently you feel the need to talk down to the rest of the members here and try to make them feel bad for not donating money. That's beyond absurd. I've never heard of any non profit organization asking for money like this. No one is forcing us, but you and dolfan87 want to make it seem like we're all jerks for not contributing. I realize that it takes a lot to run this site, but you have no right to talk down to any member just because he or she chooses to do something else with his or her money.
I'll give it to you straight. Ultimately, it's AJ's responsibility to make sure the site stays afloat. It's his site. He created it...he's responsible for it's growth and the costs that come along with it. If it flops, then it's simply a failed business venture; however, let me clear that up by saying that I realize this site is more of a public service than a for profit business.
The points you made about how hard it is to run the site are understandable, but just because the costs are much higher doesn't mean we're going to "pony up."
Funny how Muck always handles situations (no matter how severe) with class, and you choose a different route. Just something to ponder...
WharfRat
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Dolphinizzle said:
We'd like to try and keep Premium Membership somewhat exclusive...that's why the 24-25 member limit was imposed. However, if we saw that 50 people would seriously commit to $25/year... we would certainly consider something along those lines... no guarantees... it would ultimately be up to the Staff and existing Premies... but we'd give it a fair chance.
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Dolfan954 said:
I miss the Sunrise Flea market :cry:
TheBostonBomber
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In my opinion, this site should have no problem obtaining the funds to break-even through online advertising. He'll you could even make some money if u go about it the right way. Grant it, it will take alot of work to get the right match between the advertisers wants and what you can offer with this site but in time you will be able achieve your goal of breaking even. I realize that you guys have pursued this already but I would try harder, there are advertisers that would love this site its just a matter of cold calling and giving them a fare rate. There should be no reason why this can not be done. I have personal knowledge of sites that get less hits then this and are able to make pretty good profits because the developers agressivley hunted for the advertisers. They are there u just have to find them and present ur case in a profeesional manner.
FinHeavenAJ
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Hey everyone,
I'm going to try and make this quick, as I have just about 6 minutes before my lunch break is over.
In any case, I just want to say thank you to all those that have donated... any amount! Really, any amount helps out. In addition, don't think that if you don't donate that you're going to be banned or something... as that's totally not the case. We just want to point out that the site isn't making a profit, none at all. Heck, George just put about $200 into the site last week. I constantly put money into the site. However, there comes a time... like so many of you here, that you can't afford to continually put money into the site. While I still will whenever I get the chance, I need help... the site needs help. I constantly work on ways to bring the site more income... like, for example, if you scroll down at the bottom of this page you'll see a search form, if you use that search and happen to click on banners... then you're helping the site out. However, that search form doesn't change the site like huge ads would.
Let me just get straight to it, my last option is to put ads all over the message boards... I simply wouldn't like it. I personally hate ads on message boards, so I don't want to do it for the site's sake. I want to try and keep it as ad free as possible, unless, like the Google search, it doesn't interupt the site... if you know what I mean.
In addition, I don't want to make the boards a "must donate" in order to use them. The last thing I want to be like is the Dolphins Digest, where to even use the site you need to pay some money. You can ask any staff/premium member here, and they'll all tell you that I knock down many ideas that step towards this. I simply don't want it.
I want to see this site grow leaps and bounds, I have so many plans for the site.
Just think of this, and I have to head out. We're planning on having many contests throughout the season, including the football pool and fantasy football. Chances are... you'll be participating. If you win, and you most likely will win something... you'll be getting at least some of your money back. In addition, keep in mind that they have contests just for them... and there's only a few of them. So, you chances go UP when you're a Premium Member.
Anyway, like I said... I have to go. I'll reply back later tonight. But, once again... thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't say enough.
PS: I added a "Donate!" link at the top of the site, so you can easily find it.
Again, thank you!
Sincerely,
Andrew Tatum
I'm going to try and make this quick, as I have just about 6 minutes before my lunch break is over.
In any case, I just want to say thank you to all those that have donated... any amount! Really, any amount helps out. In addition, don't think that if you don't donate that you're going to be banned or something... as that's totally not the case. We just want to point out that the site isn't making a profit, none at all. Heck, George just put about $200 into the site last week. I constantly put money into the site. However, there comes a time... like so many of you here, that you can't afford to continually put money into the site. While I still will whenever I get the chance, I need help... the site needs help. I constantly work on ways to bring the site more income... like, for example, if you scroll down at the bottom of this page you'll see a search form, if you use that search and happen to click on banners... then you're helping the site out. However, that search form doesn't change the site like huge ads would.
Let me just get straight to it, my last option is to put ads all over the message boards... I simply wouldn't like it. I personally hate ads on message boards, so I don't want to do it for the site's sake. I want to try and keep it as ad free as possible, unless, like the Google search, it doesn't interupt the site... if you know what I mean.
In addition, I don't want to make the boards a "must donate" in order to use them. The last thing I want to be like is the Dolphins Digest, where to even use the site you need to pay some money. You can ask any staff/premium member here, and they'll all tell you that I knock down many ideas that step towards this. I simply don't want it.
I want to see this site grow leaps and bounds, I have so many plans for the site.
Just think of this, and I have to head out. We're planning on having many contests throughout the season, including the football pool and fantasy football. Chances are... you'll be participating. If you win, and you most likely will win something... you'll be getting at least some of your money back. In addition, keep in mind that they have contests just for them... and there's only a few of them. So, you chances go UP when you're a Premium Member.
Anyway, like I said... I have to go. I'll reply back later tonight. But, once again... thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't say enough.
PS: I added a "Donate!" link at the top of the site, so you can easily find it.
Again, thank you!
Sincerely,
Andrew Tatum
Dolfan954
Pro Bowler
I agree. My point exactly. We all understand that it takes $$$ to keep the site running, but the tone of some of the posts on this thread make it seem like we should be ashamed of ourselves or something.ChambersOwnz84 said:
WharfRat
Practice Squad
Dolfan954 said:
Again I ask...
Now who's ranting?
as for this being a "business venture" .... I beg to differ. This never has been, nor ever will be something done for profit, as the term "business venture" would imply. Public service? Even PBS has membership drives, and those that don't wish to contribute... simply don't contribute. You don't see them calling the station saying "What? you want how much for that beach tote with your logo? Are you crazy? That's too much, you have some nerve demanding that much money from me" or do they?
BTW - Calling people arrogant, jacka$$es, disrespectful, and implying one has no class, seems to give the same impression of yourself, that you wish to project on us.
CO84 and I had this discussion already, he and I have had such discussions before, and have always come to an understanding. I'm sure he's of the same mind I am... we're not angry with each other, just debating. Calling me (or anyone else) out for having that discussion is a little presumptuous on your part, don't you think?