Fox ranks Miami worst drafting team of the past 5 years

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  1. Fin-Fan-13

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    Not much of surprise.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8068662?MSNHPHMA

    32. Miami Dolphins
    Current roster: 19 of 38 picks (seven starters, one specialist). This number is skewed by the 2007 draft, as all 10 selections were kept as part of a youth movement. Tackle Vernon Carey and safety Yeremiah Bell are the only two remaining members from the 15 players chosen in 2003 and 2004.
     
  2. The Juggernaut

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    :shakeno:The Wanny and Saban years

    But yeah last year they did much better, Mueller and Cam deserve credit for that.
     
  3. BARF

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    of course we had speilman and mueller running the show. up next he will be fired from speilman
     
  4. imafinfan

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    At least 6 players from those drafts are playing for other teams in the nfl, so we werent drafting total bums. 4 coaching changed in 5 years wont give you a cohesive roster either.
     
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    I agree with The Juggernaut, Cam and Meuller did well in their only draft. Unfortunately, we have to go back to Jimmy Johnson to find the previous good draft. I agree with the ranking ... we've been terrible. Spielman never ever ever should have been given the keys to the draft room.

    I do have faith that Ireland and the others will get us some talent though. And remember, Cam/Meuller left us with another parting gift in a 2nd rounder for Chambers ... and first pick in every round. So, Ireland is going to have a lot more ammunition than Meuller had, so we should expect a much better draft.
     
  6. PJack

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    Not surprised at all. Our teams is filled with questionable picks. It was even worse before 03 after JJ left
     
  7. brandon27

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    No surprise here. we've just been flat out awful. Theres no way around it.
     
  8. ChambersWI

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    I'm not shocked. When you look at the fact that our best player was drafted in 97, and then the majority of the other guys we drafted are from last year or from Ronnie's draft.

    I don't agree with Allen being the worst though. EDDIE MOORE is still the worst.
     
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    7 starters?

    I count as many as 10: Bell, Carey, Ronnie, Roth, Crowder, J.Allen, Ginn, Beck, Satele, Mauia. Could be as low as 5 I guess, but if I had to set a depth chart today, all 10 of these guys are starting. This doesn't inlcude Brandon Fields who I assume is the specialist they listed.

    EDIT - make that 11, you would have to pencil in Mormino at starting guard as of today.
     
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    So do I......
     
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    No surprise here. And frankly its hard to argue.
     
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    Not sure I agree. Satale is a keeper. Ginn Jr. a maybe still and the jury is still "WAY" out on Beck. They say it takes three years to know so I geuss we have some time to figure it out.
     
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    5 years?

    try 10 years
     
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    okay does anybody seriously pay attention to what fox says? they have knocked on miami always and they have a pretty crappy set of analysts.
     
  15. 209Mason

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    Agreed... go back to 2001 to see the beginning of the debacle of a string of giving away 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a third, and a 5th.... and what do we have to show for it... Ricky... who at this point is a big question mark... everyone else we traded those picks for is long gone... yeesh.

    Is it possible to be worse than last place?
     
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    thank god the bengals are in the league if not we would be the worst
     
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    This is why I'm always mad when people say the draft doesn't matter. Look at the list, notice how teams who are struggling are bad at drafts and the people who make it to the playoffs are teams that have good drafts. FA is mostly overrated if anything. Champions are built in the draft. I'm just glad we are being smarter as a team with our draft picks now.
     
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    no playoffs since!!!
     
  19. thefranchisedef

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    2005- ronnie brown, matt roth, channing crowder, and travis daniels
    2006- jason allen, and derek hagan
    2007- ted ginn, john beck, samson satele, lo book, paul soliai, and brandon fields
    2008- jake long

    okay so by reading this... we have an elite running back, a starting ilb, depth at corner back, an elite return specialist/ sophmore starting reciever, a good sophmore center, a starting Free safety, an exciting utility player, and our punter for years to come. not to mention our 3rd reciever who gets a pass because he runs great routes.

    over the last 3 years miami has produced solid drafts...

    of the other 2 drafts miami picked up vernon carey, and yeremiah bell! okay what about donald lee? pope? and hadnot? plus miami has added justin smiley, and michael lehan from those drafts in particulr

    add fred evans, rod wright, and devin aramoshodu to the list of solid contributors.
     
  20. nyjunc

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    Ronnie Brown is not an elite RB and Ted Ginn is not yet an elite return man. Ronnie has shown flashes that he can become elite but SO FAR he hasn't lived up to his draft status(alot of that has to do w/ durability issues). Ginn averaged 22 yards a KR and 9.7 a PR- those are welker-like return #s which are very far from elite.
     
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    then why are so many people afraid of kicking to ted ginn? plus, ronnie brown was the best running back in the league last year before getting injured.. he has always enjoyed running against the jets! how many yards a game does he average against you guys anyways? it has to be close to 130
     
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    Ronnie Brown played the part of the elite back pretty well and was leading the league in yardage before he was injured.
     
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    You don't get to count projected starters. He sucks! We have been by most measures the worst team in the league for a while now!
     
  24. SwimminInIndy

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    To be fair to the Jets' fan, he said that Ted is not YET an elite return man. I think he WILL be, but he is not yet. I love Ted Ginn, and he will be special, but "elite" is a mighty big word for him right now. I would go with solid or good right now. Now while Ronnie was having an elite year last year before he got hurt, he is not considered league wide as an elite back. And again, I will continue the trend of saying I love Ronnie, and he will be an elite back in this league, but not yet. He needs to stay healthy and produce all year.

    That being said I really hate the Jets.
     
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    i believe over the last 8 years but not the last 5.. i think you could contest the panthers as well... what have they done? every year they get worse!
     
  26. thefranchisedef

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    haha, i think all dolphin fans hate the jets! if they dont then they arent real dolphin fans.

    ronnie brown showed he can be an elite back last year? he was an elite back last year.. he was dominating every single player in the league by over 100 yards. okay, he isnt an elite back... he, before getting injured, was the most elite back!
     
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    you don't? how the hell is he counting starters for the article then? Players who have started a game? Then we are even better....add R.Wright, Derek Hagan, D.Pope, etc to the list!!

    it has to be projected starters....and regardless of how good/bad Mormino is (I love how you say a player who hasn't even had an oppritunity sucks) he is a projected starter, at least until tomorrow.
     
  28. dolpns13

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    I dont know if Roth is considered a starter. He wont be starting on the DL in a 3-4 and wont be a starting OLB in a 4-3...

    If we start off with a 4-3 then I think he could be considered a starter.
     
  29. nyjunc

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    Who is afraid to kick to ted Ginn? He averages under 10 yards per PR and 22 yards on KR's. I think he will be alot better going forward but he's far from elite right now.

    It's great he was one of the best backs in the league for 7 games last year but to be elite you need to be durable and so far he has not proven that. He's definitely done well against us but last I checked in games he's played against the Jets Miami is 1-4
     
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    :sidelol: Lol.. what? Pretty funny and ignorant statement considering in 06 we finished 6-10 (not the worst team) and 05 we finished 9-7 (far from the worst team) and in 04, 4-12, not the worst team...

    Also, what actually makes you think Mormino sucks? Was it his play from sitting on the bench on IR where you came up with this wonderfully intelligent synopsis?
     
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    Thise averages would be ALOT higher if it werent for two holding calls... If those two calls stood, add roughly 180 yards to his total
     
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    We can play the waht if game but Justin Miller and Leon Washington have had KR TDs called back yet they still managed to be near the league leaders(Miller led) in KR average.
     
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    he played against the jets twice in 2006?

    ted ginn.. browns wouldnt kick it to him near the end of the game, which ended with a squid kick... hmm.. that makes sense! why kick it off when you can give the other team great field position.

    thats only one instance of this happening, must i count the other times teams gave up great field position rather than kick it to teddy?

    and if elite is well known around the league then charley caserly is pretty well known and talked about the hgh formula... hester, ginn, and hall...

    i think that makes him elite!
     
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    You should pay attention...

    That Fox reporter is none other than Alex Marvez. He covered this team for more than a decade. I would venture to say that his knowledge of this team was the driving force behind the story. As a matter of fact, I'm sure his knowledge of this team was the driving force behind the story. He covered the Denver Broncos (second to last) prior to covering the Dolphins.
     
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    Well you cant blame Ginn for not being able to make something out of nothing. The Jets special teams are far better than Miami. remember, Miami's special teams were the worst in the league last year so Ginn cannot be blamed entirely for other players not being ableto handle their assignements
     
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    Worst drafting team of the past 5 years is generous.

    You could go back 9 years and track some serious ineptitude.

    With the change of guard from Wannstedt to Speilman, Saban and Mueller we've had a couple good drafts sprinkled in so the article kind of fails to put the blame where it should be which is on those prior drafts.

    5 years leaves out some of Wanny's best utter draft failures.
    That frickin guy was a plague to this franchise.



    I'll never forget all the Bears fans that came onto these boards warning us of what was to come after we named him coach AND GM. :(
     
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    Yes, Brown played against the Jets teice in '06. He against the Jets twice in '05, twice in '06 and once last year.

    That is one instance, maybe Ginn was having a good game? I don't know the specifics but 22 yards per return is not good.

    22 yards a KR, 9 yards a PR are NOT elite #s. Please stop, it doesn't mean he won't become elite but he wasn't as a rookie.

    I do agree our STs are better(we'll see this year w/ Westhoff gone) BUT 22 yards is 22 yards. We can agree NE has had excellent STs as well and Welker went from averaging 9.2 per PR to 10. A jump but down from the 10.6 that Kevin faulk averaged for the Pats in '06 so Ginn's #s would have been higher on a better STs unit but that's not the lone reason he put up average return #s.
     
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    2004 and 2005 are the 2 drafts out of the last 8 years you could say was successful. You could only make the argument that they were successful simply based on us getting 1-2 solid players out of them. Hardly enought to rebuild a franchise.

    2004 got us Carey and Hadnot. Don't give me Pope as some positive for a draft. He was good enough for ST and depth.

    2005, if you take out R. Brown everything else is still up in the air. Roth hasn't developed into the starting talent they thought he could be. Those short arms seem to be a legitimate problem for him. Crowder has been a starter simply because the team has had no OLB talent to challenge him. His instincts lack a great deal and he dissapears from games for long periods. When filling in for ZT at MLB he was avg. at best. Hardly a ringing endorsement. I don't think he'll be around in a couple of years.
    Travis Daniels...... have you seen him play? He looks like he's standing in cement as WR's burn by him. He'll definitely be a goner as soon as we get any CB help at all in here.

    2006.... did you really list that as a positive? Saban failed pretty bad in that one leaving some higher rated talent on the board to draft a kid he had recruited in college. He went with the fact that he knew him personally rather than going with higher rated talent.

    2007 has huge potential but has proven nothing as of yet and really can't be included in any negative or positive talk. Satele seems to have made a strong case that he can play at this level but no one else has yet.

    2008 hasn't happened yet man! :lol:

    Regardless the bulk of this teams demise happened in the drafts from the Wanny years.
     
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    I know every Dolphin fan hates the Jets, but I felt like I had to say it because I was kind of sticking up for a Jets' fan. It made me feel better inside.
     
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    I can't believe some of you guys are getting all salty about that article.
    Plain and Simple..... We sucked at drafting!!!! and now we're paying for it.
     
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    :lol:

    I can't believe it either.

    It's the clear thing that has sunk this franchise.
    The team is a shell with glaring holes all over the roster still.
     
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    Yes!!! Eddie Moore was the worst. But Fletcher and Allen is a close 2nd and 3rd.
     
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    didn't you guys draft a kicker with your 1st a couple of years a go? I guess we should follow your blue print based on all of the success your having these days. :rolleyes:
     
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    Another move that factors in was the Ricky Williams trade, you guys gave up 2 1st rounders for him and he did have 1 great season but he's been more of a distraction for you ever since.
     
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    remember these days?

    [​IMG]
     
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    The guy you quoted is a dolphin fan, I think you were trying to talk to me? The K we took was in the 2nd rd and while we don't have any Championships we do have a div title and 3 playoff appearances in the last 6 years which is 1 more div title than you guys have in that span and 3 more playoff appearances.
     
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    Citing Bluefins stat database:

    THE NEW YORK JETS:
    330-406-8
    (76 GAMES UNDER .500)


    THE ONLY TEAM* IN THE AMERICAN FOOTBALL CONFERENCE, THAT HASN'T REACHED A SUPERBOWL SINCE THE 1970 AFL/NFL MERGER
    (* OF TEAMS THAT WEREN'T EXPANSION TEAMS BETWEEN 1995-2007)


    Lets not get testy here junc.

    I'd say neither franchise has much to hang their hat on here in recent history.
     
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    Yes we do !! What crying shame. Funny that he now is doing the exact same thing up in Minnesota and they are praising him for it. Just wait a couple years when they realize they still don't have a decent QB, holes in the secondary, only half a LB corps, and half an OL.

    As far as our past drafts . . . . we have to admit, we've done horrible! Jury is still out on our last 2, but before that we either gave away top picks for hopeful saviors or we drafted what we thought was the sexy pick, not the smart pick. We got what we deserved. Now BP and company have to come in and clean things up and (with a few exceptions) start from scratch. It will take a couple years of smart picks, but we will be once again an elite and competitive franchise in the playoffs.
    :hi5:
     
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    oops. I did quote the wrong person. I can't disagree with you on the fact that your team has been better than ours for a little while now. By all means..... not like a landslide or anything..... but slightly better.
     
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    Those stats are meaningless, we've been alot better this decade. You guys have stunk. Overall you guys have the better history but the dyas when you guys were consistently better are long gone and alot of people on here act like you guys are the NY Yankees of the NFL which isn't the case.
     

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