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Hyde5: Five Dolphins thoughts from the Super Bowl

I do not think the Fins are that far from the playoffs. Big offseason. You gives a **** where they are NOW. Lets see what they look like by mid-May.
 
this year is different for us cause miami finally has a qb it can believe in...one the fans should believe in...totally different feel than years past for me...
 
hooshoops said:
this year is different for us cause miami finally has a qb it can believe in...one the fans should believe in...totally different feel than years past for me...
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One of the most exciting offseasons in Dolphins history is on the horizon imo. Like you said the team already has the QB in place, now they enter the offseason with $45+ million in cap space, 5 draft picks in the top 82, a new logo/uniforms and a stadium renovation on the table. Fans should be excited.
 
i just hope that new logo and uni doesn't look like something out of the xfl...
 
SR 7 said:
Its common sense actually, this team lacks so much talent taht it doesn't matter what they do this OFFSEASOn, they need more than 1 offseason to accomplish that.

Have you taken an outside look at this roster rather tahn that of a fan?

Burnett and Dansby are old, they are getting slower, they are not playmakers, they don't create they dont make game changing plays or impact plays so that right there hurts us, our DB are atrocious and that means all 4, you think MIami will replace 3 new CB? No. Clemons is as useless as they come. thats 5 DBs.

Misi is good vs the run and useless in every other phase of the game. How many times did you hear Bowmans name yesterday ? More in 1 game than I have in Misi or Burnetts tenure in Miami combined.

Our pass rusher is Odrick and Wake is getting old.

We need 2 GOOD GOOD WRs and 1 decent one because to me, bess is a #4 trying to be a slot WR which he can't do because of his lack fo speed, playmaking, and everything else required to get something more than a 1 yard RAC.

Our RB situatoin is a disaster outside of Mller. Thomas is a barbie playing football and Bush is likely gone.

Our TEs, 1 has an egg as a brain the other hasn't had 1 catch over 10 yards all year and hopefully is gone.

Our O line needs a VERY GOOD T, a LG, and a RG.

Now you think you can fix all that this year? Good luck this **** ain't Madden, its reality. People think its so easy to become good and a powerhouse. It is probably the hardest thing to do and Miami fans take it like we are 1 WR away from being very good.
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I love your analysis -- it is almost exactly the same as my own. We're short 20 points a game in being competitive at this level. I see us needing to upgrade at least ten players to have a shot at winning a Super Bowl. You are 100% correct when you say this can't be fixed in one year. Even if our GM hits on every draft pick and Free Agent signing we'll still be 4-5 player upgrades short of being competitive at the Super Bowl level.
 
hooshoops said:
this year is different for us cause miami finally has a qb it can believe in...one the fans should believe in...totally different feel than years past for me...
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You don't know that yet.
 
One thing I do take away from that Super Bowl is how raw the quarterback prospects were when they first started. I don't think Flacco would be the quarterback he is if he were the quarterback of New England, those receivers he has make him look that good.

We need to do the same to Tannehill because he too is a raw prospect with all the talent you need at quarterback. Give him real playmakers. Bess and Hartline wouldn't even play a down for either team yesterday.

We don't have a single playmaker on offense with Bush likely leaving to another team. Not a single one.
 
Nublar7 said:
One of the most exciting offseasons in Dolphins history is on the horizon imo. Like you said the team already has the QB in place, now they enter the offseason with $45+ million in cap space, 5 draft picks in the top 82, a new logo/uniforms and a stadium renovation on the table. Fans should be excited.
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There's nothing exciting about the Dolphins. 4 straight losing seasons and the same GM that doesn't have a clue what a skill player looks like is still in charge.
 
Nublar7 said:
One of the most exciting offseasons in Dolphins history is on the horizon imo. Like you said the team already has the QB in place, now they enter the offseason with $45+ million in cap space, 5 draft picks in the top 82, a new logo/uniforms and a stadium renovation on the table. Fans should be excited.
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Can someone explain to me what a new logo, updated uniforms and a stadium renovation have to do with winning football games? After all, winning football games is what this is supposed to be all about.
 
Vertical Limit said:
One thing I do take away from that Super Bowl is how raw the quarterback prospects were when they first started. I don't think Flacco would be the quarterback he is if he were the quarterback of New England, those receivers he has make him look that good.

We need to do the same to Tannehill because he too is a raw prospect with all the talent you need at quarterback. Give him real playmakers. Bess and Hartline wouldn't even play a down for either team yesterday.

We don't have a single playmaker on offense with Bush likely leaving to another team. Not a single one.
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Miller is replacing Bush(if he leaves) and he has the POTENTIAL to be a playmaker. Ireland is likely going to add a front line WR in free agency(probably either Jennings or Wallace) so things can certainly improve fast in the playmaker department. The Dolphins have a lot of resources this offseason to surround Tannehill with playmakers this offseason. Can't wait, exciting time to be a Dolphins fan.

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z926538 said:
Can someone explain to me what a new logo, updated uniforms and a stadium renovation have to do with winning football games? After all, winning football games is what this is supposed to be all about.
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It is part of the offseason, which is what I said. Didn't say those things would win football games. The parts where I said the QB is already in place, $45+ million in cap space and 5 draft picks in the top 82 will help in winning football games.
 
I don't believe they are that far away, its a matter of the right moves being made and certain player progression. Of course injuries and the bounce of the ball are always crucial as well.

The number one thing this team was lacking this year was scoring production at the receiver position, and cornerback play. If these things get corrected, Tannehill takes the next step (which I have total faith in)...I may just lay some money on a surprise season in south florida.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I had the same impression, that the playoffs verified we're not even close. San Francisco and Seattle were far more advanced than we we faced them. I don't think we had another gear.

Keep in mind the whistles are swallowed in the secondary yet these teams still put up bushels of points. We have trouble scoring during the soft rules interpretation of the regular season.

I agree with Hyde that San Francisco seemed to be the better team. Among a sample of 10, I'd suspect they would win at least 7. I lost a bet on 49ers -3.5 but was thrilled the Ravens won. I'm a huge Ed Reed fan. His post game interviews on CBS and NFL Network were terrific. Last thing I wanted was 49ers to win but not cover, which nearly happened. Besides, the haters would have been out in force if the Ravens had blown that game. I could sense all the partially written threads, the ones attacking Ray Lewis. It would have been like the jubilation when Lebron James lost to the Mavericks two years ago. Lewis would have been mocked, and proclaimed the goat of the game. I don't like Lewis' post game themes, and I have no idea what his involvement was 12 years ago. But I don't like vehicles for the simplistic haters. It was marvelous when they were denied again. It's been a rough stretch for them, given the Heat title, election results, and now the Ray Lewis ringed send off.

I wouldn't put much stock in futures odds, at least not the number itself. They might be useful in teams in relation to each other, from a perception standpoint. But futures odds these days are notoriously low. You could probably double or triple every number on the back end to have a better feel for actual likelihood. Sportsbooks were burned big time by high odds on the 1987 Twins, and later the 1999 Rams. Those examples caused casino owners to demand less risk. Why give bettors 200/1 when they are willing to take 40/1 on the same team? You always have a steady stream of tourists walking into a sportsbook with their little crumbled sheet of paper, rescued from grandma's purse. Uncle Fred wants $20 on the Cubs and $20 on the Bears and $20 on the Blackhawks. You could punch out a 2/1 ticket on all three and nobody would care. They'll take it home and happily present it to Uncle Fred, who will happily accept the paperwork and root them in.

Among everything a sportsbook does, there is less sophistication in futures odds than anything else. There's no power rating that makes a team 20/1 instead of 30/1. It's merely feel, and a determination to keep everything low. Numbers move down all the time, but seldom up. Some joints never move a number up.

The sportsbooks had avoided being burned on high odds for quite a while until the Cardinals won the World Series recently. They weren't high odds to begin with, but when they were in bad shape late in the season some joints that maintain adjusted numbers assumed they had no chance and moved them way up, to 500/1 or beyond. A few guys took advantage of that and cashed big tickets. The chief Nevada oddsmaking firm sent out a related warning subsequently. A friend of mine who works in a sportsbook emailed me a copy of the memo. It basically screamed at the sportsbooks to follow the suggestions and not take things into their own hands. In other words, don't risk anything.
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I think you hit the nail on the head though with how to view the odds. You view them in relation to one another, not on absolute levels. They have the Dolphins #23 or #24 in the league. The Dolphins are currently #21 in the league (by draft order), so that's about the same. Maybe even slightly down.

But it's like we just got done talking about, all through the post season we saw teams (other than perhaps the Vikings, Bengals and Colts) reach down and find an extra gear. The 49ers and Seahawks were not the same team in the playoffs that we saw when we played them. We were far away from true contention.

Is there anything structural in this off season that the Dolphins are set to have that should make them better? This is where most people would probably argue you have to take account of all the extra picks and money that the Dolphins have available to them.

But that's where I don't agree. The Dolphins have a lot of picks and they have a lot of money. But they have those picks and they have that money because of liabilities they've created. You have an extra pick because you got rid of Vontae Davis. That's a liability you've still yet to fill. You have another extra pick and about $8 million extra because you got rid of Brandon Marshall. That's another liability you have yet to fill. You have approximately $35 million more available (excluding the $8 million above, after accounting for cutting Richard Marshall and signing draft picks) because you have guys like Jake Long, Randy Starks, Sean Smith, Reggie Bush, Brian Hartline and Anthony Fasano on expiring contracts. More liabilities. That's a combination of players that are steak and sizzle. They're all at worst solid guys that will help you win games, and some of them are more than that.

If you're replacing all those guys with outside free agents, suddenly you have to face the fact that while everyone wants to pretend you get $1 return for $1 investment in free agents, since these are after all "proven" players...the reality is you're probably getting closer to 40 cents on the dollar acquiring outside free agents. You're going to sign $35 million worth of guys and chances are come out with $15 or $20 million worth of player production. And that would likely be a "good" free agent haul.
 
very good points about the return on your financial investments in outside free agents...definitely a roll of the dice if you plan on filling all these needs there...get yourself in trouble that way pretty easily imo...

and creating 2 holes you never filled in trading vontae and marshall...and thus far the returns on those trades have been horrid...
 
Yeah you have money because you are letting players walk, but aren't these the same players that have led the team to four non-winning seasons? Just because you are losing players and replacing them with others doesn't automatically mean you are worse off. Doesn't mean you are better either, but if you can get the right pieces it works. Fact is that the players that were being acquired between 2008 and 2011 are not really the same type of players you want now. They are building a Joe Philbin team now, not a Tony Sparano team. That is why we probably shouldn't be surprised that someone like Brandon Marshall was shipped out or that some of these free agents will be allowed to walk. The transition to the Philbin style started last year, and it continues this offseason. Will they be able to completely finish the rebuild this offseason? Probably not, but they realistically can put this team in the playoffs with the offseason that is set up. The Super Bowl contender they are working towards is probably a couple of offseasons away at this point.
 
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