Ideal Offseason

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  1. Tupac Shakur

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    As of right now (Week 8, Bye Week) this would be my idea of an ideal offseason for the Dolphins, keeping it within reason, realistically speaking.

    Release/Waive/Do Not Resign:

    Sammy Morris, RB
    Darian Barnes, FB
    Chris Davis, WR
    Eric Kimble, WR
    Jason Rader, TE
    Tim Massaquoi, TE
    Damion McIntosh, T
    Bennie Anderson, G
    Kendyl Jacox, G/C
    Trey Darilek, C
    Vonnie Holliday, DT
    Keith Traylor, NT (Retire?)
    Jeff Zgonina, DT (Retire?)
    David Bowens, DE
    Donnie Spragan, LB
    Keith Adams, LB
    Keith Newman, LB
    Michael Lehan, CB
    Eddie Jackson, CB
    Will Poole, CB
    Travares Tillman, S
    Olindo Mare, K

    Trade:
    Marty Booker, WR for a 4th round draft choice
    Jeno James, G for a 5th round draft choice

    Sign one of these in Unrestricted Free Agency:
    Eric Steinbach, G (Bengals)
    Adalius Thomas, LB (Ravens)
    Asante Samuel, CB (Patriots)
    Josh Brown, K (Seahawks)

    Draft:
    (Assuming 3rd overall pick)
    Round 1-
    Joe Thomas, T - Wisconsin
    We haven't had a quality LT since the days of Richmond Webb; this guy could solve a lot of problems.
    Round 2-
    Aaron Rouse, S - Virginia Tech
    We need a physical, nasty presence in the defensive backfield, to tandem with the coverage ability of Jason Allen.
    Round 3-
    Nate Harris, LB - Louisville
    If we are going to continue to try and run the 3-4, then good linebackers are a neccessity
    , and Harris could take over for Zach Thomas by 2008.
    Round 4-
    a:
    Jonathan Wade, CB - Tennessee
    Eddie Jackson and Michael Lehan can't hold it down; Wade is much more athletic and fluid.
    b: (Booker trade) David Ball, WR - New Hampshire
    A receiver that actually catches the ball would be a welcome addition to this corps.
    Round 5-
    a: (To Detroit for Joey Harrington)
    b: (James trade) Dan Mozes, C - West Virginia
    Hopefully could beat out Joe Berger to improve interior O-Line depth.
    c: *(possible comp. pick b/c of Sam Madison) Ben Patrick, TE - Delaware
    A good blocking tight end, seems to solve the 3rd TE issues we've been having lately.
    Round 6-
    a: Cory Anderson, FB - Tennessee
    Probably better than Barnes or anyone we've had around here recently.
    Round 7-
    a:
    Justin Hickman, DE - UCLA
    Should be able to adeptly fit the DE/OLB role.



    So, after all this, the Dolphins seem to have improved in key areas. Miami needs to pony up the dough for some free agents this year, especially because of their deficiencies at so many positions. Here is what their roster would look like for the most part, at least heading into camp.

    QB: D. Culpepper, J. Harrington, C. Lemon
    RB: R. Brown, R. Williams, T. Minor, P. Cobbs
    FB: C. Anderson
    WR: C. Chambers, D. Hagan, W. Welker, M. Vick, D. Ball, F. Gibson
    TE: R. McMichael, J. Peele, B. Patrick
    LT: J. Thomas, A. Alabi
    LG: (E. Steinbach), J. Berger
    C: R. Hadnot, D. Mozes
    RG: L. Shelton, S. McKinney
    RT: V. Carey, J. Toledo
    DE: K. Carter, M. Roth
    DT: K. Vickerson, R. Wright, M. Wright
    NT: D.Wilkinson, F. Evans
    OE: J. Taylor, J. Hickman
    SAM: (A. Thomas), J. Maxwell
    MIKE: Z. Thomas, N. Harris
    WILL: C. Crowder, D. Pope
    CB: W. Allen, (A. Samuel), T. Daniels, A. Goodman, J. Wade
    FS: J. Allen, R. Hill
    SS: A. Rouse, Y. Bell
    K: (J. Brown)
    P: D. Jones
    LS: J. Denney

    I still think, even with these improvements, that this team would be around an 8-8 team, with the possibility of plus or minus 2 wins, and maybe a wildcard birth. But the real contending team would come in the following year, after some of the younger players got more experience. One more caveat to this offseason would be the firing of Mike Mularkey. I'm not sure who's available in the coaching arena, but I wouldn't be opposed to a young, up-and-coming coach from the college ranks to come in and take over as offensive coordinator. This might add a newness to the offense.

    Anyway, criticize away.
     
  2. MrEd

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    With the new CBA we are actually allowed to cut, (and they are going to vote on trading), "2" players prior to the start of free agency in February that would split the cap hit in half between 2007 and 2008.
    So Zach should definitely be one of those "2" players, who would clear ($6.2mil). The other one should be one of either Chambers, who would clear ($4.5mil) or Mare, who would clear ($1mil).

    These could notch us draft picks before the draft respectively.

    Then, after free agency begins we can still cut or trade Booker, who would clear ($3.1mil); Harrington, who would clear ($3mil); and/or James, who would clear ($1mil).

    In other words, we can actually be much more than the 21mil under the cap we'll have as a result of only having 36 players under contract for 2007.
    Look for a total makeover this offseason. I get the butterflies thinking about it!

    I would definitely pursue the likes of Steinbach, Briggs, Thomas, and/or Clement. We are sure to hit on one or two of those.

    Then, draft a WR in the 1st, a LT in the 2nd, a C in the 3rd, a LB in the 4th, BPA in the 6th, and BPA in the 7th.

    Should we obtain any 1st day picks from either Chambers and/or Thomas...then we can add a CB and another LB, a S, or a NT.

    Should we obtain any other picks from maybe Booker or Mare... then BPA.
     
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    ah, i was unaware of the cba intricacies. good points on all fronts.
     
  4. MrEd

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    Nah, we are going to use the rest of this year...after our 7th loss, to give some of our Jason Allens and Fred Evans experience.

    Until we hit our 7th loss, we are going to keep trying to make the playoffs.
     
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    i think there are things that could be different there but for the most part i think it looks pretty good, not a HUGE improvement but may be just enough to turn the corner for us and make us a playoff team, we'll see what happens we still have a lot of time.
     
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    Props to the individual who started the post...outstanding effort.
     
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    Man if we could land Steinbach and possibly Briggs or Thomas, that would be huge. I'm more in favor of bringing in a young, talented CB thru the draft . . . I think we will be fine with Goodman and Allen and TD . . . but hey if we get Samuel or Clement . . . we would be even better, so that would be great. But yea Steinbach and Briggs . . . man o man, thats what u call big FA signings.
     
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    not bad..... but its sooooooo far away bro.....
     
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    i wouldnt cut vollie holiday
     
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    Wow.......just stop talking.....ok so you want to trade/cut Chambers and our best defensive player.....Chambers is still young and has more ability then any wide reciever coming out this year,he's an elite reciever if we'd actually throw the ball to him early instead of throwing 1 long ball in the 1st qt then waiting until we're down in the 4th and then try to get him in the game.....If you do trade Zach it isn't going to be for like anything higher then a 4th and i'd rather keep our best defensive player then risk a 4th on some young kid that most likely won't be able to be named in the same sentence as Thomas even if your comparing him to zach's worst season (which he has yet to have a bad season). Zach THomas has heart and will play until he is physically/emotionally and mentially unable to play.
     
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    Sounds pretty good but i have never heard of a team cutting that many players in one off season? Can it be done.?
     
  12. MrEd

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    How can we cut him, if he is going to be a free agent after this season? Do you mean, you would "re-sign" him? That's a different story. But no. Don't count on it. This is why Saban has drafted Evans, both Wrights, and Vickerson for...to replace him.

    Then, Carter, who is still under contract can always move into Holiday's vacated spot and then Saban move either Roth or one of the Wrights over to LE.
     
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    Of course...we did more than that last year ourselves.
     
  14. MrEd

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    This is not about Zach's worst season. It's about the $6.2mil that we would free up to sign a Briggs??? Plus he's going to be 34??? The 3rd or 4th round pick would just be an added bonus.

    Then, the Chambers trade, which would free up $4.5mil, would only be done dependant on what pick we finish with, like a top 5 pick. Meaning we would dangle him for a 1st round pick only if we were already decided to draft his replacement in either a Calvin Johnson or Tedd Ginn Jr.

    And then we would draft a LT with the new 1st rounder.:cooldude: :wink:
     
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    I can't imagine someone will give us a draft pick for Jeno James.
    Nice post, though early.
     
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    Nice post MrEd.
     
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    No prob
     
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    Curious that none of you mentioned the biggest weakness on our team, the coaching staff. We need a new staff...HC, OC, DC at least. We should probably start over completely, but for sure the Head Coach and both coordinators need to go. They have no credibility to rebuild this team.

    You can make all the changes in the world and with this coaching staff this team will still suck.
     
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    Not going to happen. Not after only 2 seasons. Maybe if after next season and all the tons of cap space we have...if we don't compete. Yes. But not after just 2 seasons. Maybe Murlarkey goes though. :wink:
     
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    We just recently started over . . . u can't keep changing coaching staffs every 2 years because the one u implemented couldn't turn a 4-12 team around overnight . . . gimme a break with that nonsense. Maybe one of the coordinators but not the head coach.
     
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    Thats a pretty in depth assessment. Good job. My only problem would be signing that many free agents. It would obviously depend on how much money they want, but it seems like four free agents of that caliber would cost a lot. I like your philosophy in the draft. Offensive line and secondary are the two biggest weaknesses and you addressed them. Linebacker is a position that is old and will soon have nothing but Crowder. I agree that even with some good draft picks and good FA signings, we will be about a 8-8 team next year. And hopefully the offensive line and the secondary will jell and really come together.
     
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    are you guys idiotic if im readin this right....get rid of chambers and thomas??? what..
     
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    ohhh good i thought i was the only one who thought that....
     
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    good post....but here we go depending on ricky again!!!
     
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    I'm not opposed to it, if we get the right deal . . . think about it. If u could trade both of those guys . . . u are talking about a possible 1st for Chris and maybe a third for Zack.

    If Chris can improve this year, and put up great numbers . . . than maybe a team in need of a #1 WR will gamble a first on him. And a playoff team, might wanna take the NFL's leading tackler for a season or 2 to make a playoff push. The we lose over 10 million in salary from 2 guys, and gain 2 first day picks. So assuming we have a top pick . . . we could draft a Calvin Johnson in the first round, and still have room to draft maybe a Landry or someone like that later in the first. Then come back and have room to fill OL and LB in the second and third rounds with the extra Zack pick. Crowder can move inside and picking up Briggs would solve Crowders position along with the draft pick for the other side.

    Zack is 34 man, a third rounder would be fantastic, hell a team like NE (god I hope he doesn't go inside the division) who has a late 2nd rounder might say, hey he is a missing piece to a playoff/Super Bowl push, they might do it. Rather lose the 6+ Million and get a 2nd/3rd rounder, then lose Zack to Free Agency or Retirement . . . this is a business and u have to run it like that.
     
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    First of all, Zach isn't going to make 6.2 mil next year. When was the last time he made the amount of money he was suppose to make....he's always been willing to restructure.....YOu want to sign Briggs well then fine Zach and Taylor are going to restructure like they do every year....you want to basically start over and get rid of just about any skill player we have...we don't need to do that....OUr defense is still one of the top in the league,secondary needs to be improved but we are still very young back there so they are going to improve.MOve Jason Allen to cornerback and we have Allen,Allen and Daniels at cb.

    Draft a safety in the second (considering we have a high pick). DRaft a LT in the first. Start whoever we draft at safety along with Bell who is good if we would freakin play him over Tillman who sucks btw. draft a linebacker in the 3rd or 4th and have Zach bring him up like he did with Crowder. Sign Briggs off of money we get from restructres plus the like 5 mil the cap goes up. Fix the o-line with draft picks and add depth and good coaching during offseason. The team doesn't need to be completely changed,there is tons of talent, but the coaching staff has to figure out the best way to use it. Our problem this year is the inability to start and finish games,not bad players.
     
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    I think that you should research the contracts and the numbers before you make an assessment.

    Zach is actually due to count as $8mil against the cap. By trading him before free agency we would clear $6.3mil from that. This money could be used to sign a Briggs and add a 3rd round pick on top of that.

    It is a no brainer. Then we could move Crowder to MLB, where he flourished in college. Replace Crowder's WLB with Briggs and add a rookie or yet another free agent at SLB.

    No brainer. new improved defense. AND younger.

    Also, you keep restructuring these old heads with big amoritized money already...your fking yourself up for the future. If you are like NE, you mess up one year, no sweat. Because you have tons of cap space the following year.

    This is the way to stay good and get good the following year, if you mess up the draft or free agency this year. You have the money to fix it the year after that as well.
     
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    Doesn't matter if i reseached his contract....he'll be making about 5 mil along with Taylor restructing....you'll still be able to afford Briggs and keep Thomas.I'd rather have...
    Olb: Briggs
    MLB: Zach Thomas
    OLB: Crowder

    then Briggs,CRowder and some no name.....If you draft someone in the 3rd or 4th with talent like we did with Crowder then i garenteee you that Zach's teaching will bring out the same result.
     
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    U think Zack is the reason why Crowder was so successful? I mean he probably has taught him a few things . . . but Crowder had a real bad injury where if it wasn't for that, he was a first rounder . . . the kid is not a nobody man.

    And its more than Briggs, its getting a GOOD OL player, maybe a Corner, some youth . . . releasing a few high salaries could help with that. I like Zack, but Ed brings up a few good things to think about.
     
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    Exactly, as sad is it is to think this could be Zach's last season as a Fin, you've got to get value for him while you still can, and if possible get Zach to a contender; we all know he deserves the ring.
     
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    It wouldn't be some no name. It would be a 1st day pick or another free agent pickup.

    If you keep and restructure Zach...then you won't have the $6mil, maybe $2mil. That won't get you Briggs, trust me.
    Especially with all the other needs we have.

    Then, that would all but eliminate any future trades of Zach. And make the hit bigger on his last year.
     
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    really nice. I'd actually rather see us take someone like HB Blades in the 2nd, and a S in round 3.
     
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    It's really too bad that we have to begin looking at the off-season so early. I'm still going to watch and enjoy football for the rest of the year, but the Dolphins really won't do anything meaningful until March. Hopefully we go for youth and make this team young, fast and nasty. We're getting there, it'll take patience, but this team will be good again.
     
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    part of our problem this year IMO, was horrible chemistry. Chemistry changes from year to year, and last year we had the right mix of vets and young guys. This year, we did not have a good mix. Part of that IMO is Seau, Madison, and Schulters not being on defense (leadership/mentor purposes), and our continuous changes to the o-line.

    Last year, we had 3 rookies come in and contribute, but each had an older vet or two to go to for guidance (Ronnie had Ricky, Crowder had Zach and Seau, Daniels had Madison, Jones, and Schulters). Who do Allen and Hagan have to go that can be father figures to them? Evans and Wright atleast have Traylor and Big Daddy. So unlike last year we don't have the vets that can help tutor the young guys.

    If we can get an LB and a S better than Spragan and Tillman, I think we'll be better on offense. IMO we also need to bring in a veteran on offense, whether its to be backup or not. We don't have much leadership.
     
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    i definetely like what u propose...

    but id change it a LITTLE...

    I wouldnt release Damion McIntosh. Yes id trade Booker, im not sure if Jeno James would go for a 5th...im sure some team out there would give up a 7th rounder for Olindo Mare...hes a NAME, a NAME that lots of teams would like to have.

    Yes id sign Eric Steinbach, Adelius Thomas, Asante Samuel, Josh Brown. They are all younger guys (except Adalius)...im not sure if Asante is a Saban player, hes not real tall or big. I would make a push for Lance Briggs before anyone else tho, if not...then Adalius Thomas would be my choice.

    Draft...lets say we draft in the Top 3...

    R1. Calvin Johnson ...im fine with McIntosh and Carey at Tackle.

    R2: Kyle Young (Center, Fresno State)...Hadnot moves to LG, Shelton stays at RG.

    R3: Tim Zbikowski (Safety...Notre Dame)...

    R4: If available...Nate Harris (ILB...Louisville) If not, another ILB.

    R5: Another wide receiver.

    R6: Defensive End

    R7: A runningback
     
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    :cooldude:

     
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    In my mind it is simple , we get the best center on the board. Idf not we spin a trade and get one. Just my 2 cents.:dolphins:
     
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    i'm all for that draft, but i doubt zbikowski would be available in round 3
     
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    he and Brandon Merriweather both could be.

    Zbikowski is part of a pretty weak secondary, and while he's an above average safety, his best attribute is his return game.

    Merriweather has been disappointing scouts, and the Miami brawl lost him a lot of points. Some NFL scouts believe he'll be on the board Round 4.
     
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    I think we should re-sign:
    Sammy Morris, RB
    Darian Barnes, FB
    Damion McIntosh, T - cheap depth
    Kendyl Jacox, G/C - see above
    Vonnie Holliday, DT
    Keith Traylor, NT - our run-stuffing anchor
    Keith Adams, LB
    David Bowens, DE
    Will Poole, CB - if healthy
    Travares Tillman, S - if cheap
    Olindo Mare, K - if cheap

    Not so sure we can get any picks for Booker or James. All those you listed in UFA will likely be re-signed or signed for beyond market price.

    But I like the Joe Thomas (if Brady Quinn doesn't wow the scouts at Combine and become this year's must-have pick) and Hickman picks.
     

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