Sherif
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Grier could have done so much more with this draft by trading down adding picks and getting away from a must have DE at any cost. I said it on draft day, he had complete tunnel vision.
Is Adam Gase Overrated???
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Grier could have done so much more with this draft by trading down adding picks and getting away from a must have DE at any cost. I said it on draft day, he had complete tunnel vision.
You don’t have to take me seriously for me to be right. I agree that we draft terribly and am usually not for letting go of talent for picks because of that. That’s a management issue, though, not a problem with my theory. Suh was a huge contract when we need a lot of talent all over the team, not just one major skill player. Wake is in decline and has been for awhile, as awesome as he has been, Is he still worth his contract? Again, I understand wanting to hang on to talent and our bad drafting being an issue, which is why this team will never be great until Ross is no longer making decisions on coaching and personnel.
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there is no Shula 2.0, not gonna happen, campbell would have been great, he was a risk, but gotta take risks if you're gonna get anywhere, you'll see that's what seperates bb from everybody else, his aggression. I've seen none of that from Gase since he's been here except when he's forced to, campbell was like that the entire time, you'll never understand things until you recognize them.
I didn't disagree with everything you said, I just strongly disagree with trading picks for players because its a strategy that just doesn't work. At all. And there is so much evidence dating back to the Surtain trade to support it the last 15 years I don't feel the need to recount.
Wake is also the one player through two weeks on defense who has came to play both weeks. His burst is still the same as when he was backing up that first year but could come off the bench for 3 sacks. Even when he doesn't get a sack he can affect a play by forcing pocket movement which can disrupt the play call and which other rushing lineman can capitalize.
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You're exactly right, that draft was a c/c- because of all the potential we lost to have a guy who does nothing, same with carroo, they don't think about the future or the overall health of the roster, it's just what they want and they gotta have it, still mind boggling we drafted him after we payed branch all that money, completely nullifies branch's effect after paying him...... brain dead people in FO, especially tbum, not so much grier or gase i think, tbum in your FO is death to your team's future.
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Not going to say he's overrated like I did last year but this offense is a mess right now.
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U can't be serious, Gurley is one of the most overrated backs in NFL lol.
Yeah because that's sooo obvious after two games, I'd fire him Monday. Maybe we could get Philbin back.
DefensiveEnd76
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Next 3 weeks will be telling. We play the Saints, Titans and Falcons. Won't be shocked if we're 1-4. More than likely we will be.
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Our offense is a mess because our o-line flat out sucks and we have a washed up QB in Cutler.
DolfanISS
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Many guys in this thread are nuts. Gase overrated by who? Dolphins fans? Well doh fans always overrate their own team. Nationally I don't think he's thought of highly enough of to be overrated.
This thread is hilarious though. Many here who have been high on this team are acting like they've known all along it sucks. Please!
It's one game, if you have a brain you'd have to expect us to start slow. Last week was lucky. The QB has been here 6 weeks after not playing for 1 and 1/2 years and the line wasn't together in camp much. I told you so mode impresses nobody unless you land s job in the NFL. Until then it's crap.
This thread is hilarious though. Many here who have been high on this team are acting like they've known all along it sucks. Please!
It's one game, if you have a brain you'd have to expect us to start slow. Last week was lucky. The QB has been here 6 weeks after not playing for 1 and 1/2 years and the line wasn't together in camp much. I told you so mode impresses nobody unless you land s job in the NFL. Until then it's crap.
Were you impressed when he led us to the playoffs last year?
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I think the blame should go to everyone for the performance today. Jay Cutler was plain awful today. There were plays to be made and they just did not make them. Jay was was not accurate and missed receivers badly. I kept waiting for them to go up tempo and try to get something going but Jay played uninspired to me, and early in the game it seemed fit to him getting two penalties in a row taking his sweet and precious time getting the team lined up.
The Jets lined up with a high safety, and loaded the box the whole game and dared us to beat them with the pass and we couldn't. The OLine got beat, and the defense was on the field way too much. Maxwell gave his receiver the inside release and played chase all day as if he was scared to give up the big play. Verner looked like he pulled a hamstring on the play he got beat on, not sure if he done that because he got beat, or he got beat that bad.
With that said there are tons of teams that are up and down right now. The Broncos lost to the Bills, if the Patriots weren't the Patriots they would have lost to the Texans, the Ravens got rolled by the Jags, the Steelers lost a game they should have won...I could go on and on. Me personally I am not a big fan of Burke, and I feel they could have done a better job addressing areas of need via trade or free agency.
We desperately need help on the Oline, and Secondary. I guess the positive I pulled out of today's game, and last week is it appears they are a bit better against the run. However, the loss of Lippett and depending on Maxwell, and McCain is not going to get it done.
Howbeit, we took some butt whoopings last season and found a way to make the playoffs despite the injuries. The sky isn't falling yet. I believe in Gase, but I think it may be getting close for him to make a decision does he want to be an Offensive Coordinator and call plays, or does he want to be a head coach.
The Jets lined up with a high safety, and loaded the box the whole game and dared us to beat them with the pass and we couldn't. The OLine got beat, and the defense was on the field way too much. Maxwell gave his receiver the inside release and played chase all day as if he was scared to give up the big play. Verner looked like he pulled a hamstring on the play he got beat on, not sure if he done that because he got beat, or he got beat that bad.
With that said there are tons of teams that are up and down right now. The Broncos lost to the Bills, if the Patriots weren't the Patriots they would have lost to the Texans, the Ravens got rolled by the Jags, the Steelers lost a game they should have won...I could go on and on. Me personally I am not a big fan of Burke, and I feel they could have done a better job addressing areas of need via trade or free agency.
We desperately need help on the Oline, and Secondary. I guess the positive I pulled out of today's game, and last week is it appears they are a bit better against the run. However, the loss of Lippett and depending on Maxwell, and McCain is not going to get it done.
Howbeit, we took some butt whoopings last season and found a way to make the playoffs despite the injuries. The sky isn't falling yet. I believe in Gase, but I think it may be getting close for him to make a decision does he want to be an Offensive Coordinator and call plays, or does he want to be a head coach.
Don't overreact to a game in which the opponent owned a massive situational edge. I realize that topic is not always popular around here, or on fan sites in general, but it is the reality.
I had a friend from Las Vegas call me on Wednesday. He was almost out of breath: "Every angle in the world points to the Jets. Your best angles point to the Jets. But how can I trust McCown with a huge bet?"
Exactly. I told him I understood the dilemma. I was in the same spot.
I ended up making a regular play on the Jets. He tripled his typical amount and was chirping all afternoon in repeated texts. I had other friends who went much higher than triple, plus money line. And likewise on betting sites in general, where the Jets were a wise guy bonanza.
That type of thing will baffle the mainstream crowd. And it is understandable. It is one of the reasons I have so much trouble juggling my Las Vegas background and situational knowledge with posting on fan sites. The topics and therefore the perspective could not be more divergent. The betting side doesn't always win out but when there is a seemingly bizarre result it is most often explained by situational influence, and situational influence is all but ignored by traditional sports fans and media. Every week is viewed as the same.
I will try to be more accepting and less critical of the technical football guys. That is one of my goals...starting now. Ross made an awesome statement about being less divisive when we disagree with others. Absolutely. I gained a ton of respect for him. That said, it is going to be difficult for me. The technical type of focus is best applied to college football, where there are dramatic gaps in ability level and situational aspects are not nearly as relevant. In the NFL I'm sure the Wharton-type guys feel very sharp when they find some video clip that supposedly represents something significant. Meanwhile, it's a Crowd on Crowd league so plays here and there don't mean much at all. Situational factors can and do wipe out the findings the following week.
That's the reason the Jets were a top pick on wise guys wagering forums but the technical football guys could never back that side. They can only deal with what they've seen on the field, and recently. Nothing on the field in 2017 pointed to the Jets. But that basically doesn't mean anything at all. I'm sure the technical guys were forecasting Ajayi to ramble, and so forth.
The Dolphins were in satisfied fat cat mode as a road team coming off a victory. That's especially dangerous for Crowd teams, which aren't dependable in the first place. This game would have been considerably more competitive physically if the Dolphins had lost to the Chargers.
More importantly, the Jets were in an incredibly favorable spot. That's what prompted my friend's phone call. He knew from my research decades ago that teams that open with consecutive road games -- and lose both of them -- are extremely energized and effective in that game three home opener. The advantage is magnified to absurd level when they happen to be a divisional home underdog in that home opener.
My stuff is on spreadsheets dating to 1978. But conveniently I found someone else who posted the same angle, albeit a more recent and limited sample. For all I know he stole it from me because I stupidly blabbed this angle, among many others, when I was trying to impress as a newcomer on Las Vegas radio beginning in the late '80s.
Here is that link, from 2011. Note the 56-21 against the spread quote in the summary of the Lions vs. Vikings game from that year:
https://miniblob.com/week-3-nfl-picks/
Dating to 1978 the percentage doesn't match that 56-21 but it is huge, nearly 70% against the number.
And keep in mind the normal home divisional underdog assignment is much lower than +6.5. It is closer to +3 average. To receive +6.5 at home against a Crowd team was surreal overreactive insult.
When my friend called on Wednesday he gave me some teams trends that I was not aware of. I more or less don't care about team trends. They are fragile and less dependable than angles that apply to the league as a block. I've always scoffed at them, after wasting so much time researching them in the mid '80s before I wised up.
Anyway, he told me the local Las Vegas radio handicapping shows were blabbing a trend favoring the Jets: 14-5 straight up and 16-2-1 against the spread the week after playing two consecutive road games. I quickly looked it up. The numbers were correct. That's what influenced him to triple his normal wager. And the guy who writes the betting trend column for the Las Vegas Review Journal must have been listening to the same programs, because I noticed that he printed the identical findings in his Saturday column, while picking the Jets to win, 16-13.
Adam Gase has still done a heck of a job. He is saddled with the ultimate Crowd team, so whenever expectations get too high for this team you can matter of factly assume lower, and the opposite is true also. With Jay Cutler the lows are going to be lower than with Tannehill. I posted that during preseason and I think it was consensus. When things are going poorly Cutler is going to press more, and his mechanics are worse, and he won't care as much about garbage time touchdowns. That buzzer score today was mostly an accident.
There are 32 teams in the National Football League. Only one of them has managed 6 to 10 regular season wins in each of the past 8 seasons dating to 2009. We do it emphatically and on merit, seldom tinkering with the parameters of 6 or 10 as opposed to asserting the midsection as our home. It's basically a Crowd franchise, let alone Crowd team. Our owner is Crowd. Our general managers have been Crowd. Coaches are Crowd. Our patched stadium is Crowd. Even when we needlessly lessened our uniforms and logo we kept them in Crowd bracketing instead of butchering to the bottom of the league.
I've called it the most boring era in franchise history. So much Crowd. I prefer to be entertained and kept guessing, as opposed to knowing I can predict 8-8 without any thought at all.
I don't have patience for the technical guys who like to imagine and shout all type of Cream and Crap variables, apparently swirling around and counteracting each other, like these storms in the Atlantic.
It is a bit odd that Adam Gase has so few big uptick games, ones in which the team drastically exceeds expectation. There should be a sampling of that regardless of role...home or road, underdog or favorite, divisional or not. It is something to keep an eye on going forward, but no big deal now.
I had a friend from Las Vegas call me on Wednesday. He was almost out of breath: "Every angle in the world points to the Jets. Your best angles point to the Jets. But how can I trust McCown with a huge bet?"
Exactly. I told him I understood the dilemma. I was in the same spot.
I ended up making a regular play on the Jets. He tripled his typical amount and was chirping all afternoon in repeated texts. I had other friends who went much higher than triple, plus money line. And likewise on betting sites in general, where the Jets were a wise guy bonanza.
That type of thing will baffle the mainstream crowd. And it is understandable. It is one of the reasons I have so much trouble juggling my Las Vegas background and situational knowledge with posting on fan sites. The topics and therefore the perspective could not be more divergent. The betting side doesn't always win out but when there is a seemingly bizarre result it is most often explained by situational influence, and situational influence is all but ignored by traditional sports fans and media. Every week is viewed as the same.
I will try to be more accepting and less critical of the technical football guys. That is one of my goals...starting now. Ross made an awesome statement about being less divisive when we disagree with others. Absolutely. I gained a ton of respect for him. That said, it is going to be difficult for me. The technical type of focus is best applied to college football, where there are dramatic gaps in ability level and situational aspects are not nearly as relevant. In the NFL I'm sure the Wharton-type guys feel very sharp when they find some video clip that supposedly represents something significant. Meanwhile, it's a Crowd on Crowd league so plays here and there don't mean much at all. Situational factors can and do wipe out the findings the following week.
That's the reason the Jets were a top pick on wise guys wagering forums but the technical football guys could never back that side. They can only deal with what they've seen on the field, and recently. Nothing on the field in 2017 pointed to the Jets. But that basically doesn't mean anything at all. I'm sure the technical guys were forecasting Ajayi to ramble, and so forth.
The Dolphins were in satisfied fat cat mode as a road team coming off a victory. That's especially dangerous for Crowd teams, which aren't dependable in the first place. This game would have been considerably more competitive physically if the Dolphins had lost to the Chargers.
More importantly, the Jets were in an incredibly favorable spot. That's what prompted my friend's phone call. He knew from my research decades ago that teams that open with consecutive road games -- and lose both of them -- are extremely energized and effective in that game three home opener. The advantage is magnified to absurd level when they happen to be a divisional home underdog in that home opener.
My stuff is on spreadsheets dating to 1978. But conveniently I found someone else who posted the same angle, albeit a more recent and limited sample. For all I know he stole it from me because I stupidly blabbed this angle, among many others, when I was trying to impress as a newcomer on Las Vegas radio beginning in the late '80s.
Here is that link, from 2011. Note the 56-21 against the spread quote in the summary of the Lions vs. Vikings game from that year:
https://miniblob.com/week-3-nfl-picks/
Dating to 1978 the percentage doesn't match that 56-21 but it is huge, nearly 70% against the number.
And keep in mind the normal home divisional underdog assignment is much lower than +6.5. It is closer to +3 average. To receive +6.5 at home against a Crowd team was surreal overreactive insult.
When my friend called on Wednesday he gave me some teams trends that I was not aware of. I more or less don't care about team trends. They are fragile and less dependable than angles that apply to the league as a block. I've always scoffed at them, after wasting so much time researching them in the mid '80s before I wised up.
Anyway, he told me the local Las Vegas radio handicapping shows were blabbing a trend favoring the Jets: 14-5 straight up and 16-2-1 against the spread the week after playing two consecutive road games. I quickly looked it up. The numbers were correct. That's what influenced him to triple his normal wager. And the guy who writes the betting trend column for the Las Vegas Review Journal must have been listening to the same programs, because I noticed that he printed the identical findings in his Saturday column, while picking the Jets to win, 16-13.
Adam Gase has still done a heck of a job. He is saddled with the ultimate Crowd team, so whenever expectations get too high for this team you can matter of factly assume lower, and the opposite is true also. With Jay Cutler the lows are going to be lower than with Tannehill. I posted that during preseason and I think it was consensus. When things are going poorly Cutler is going to press more, and his mechanics are worse, and he won't care as much about garbage time touchdowns. That buzzer score today was mostly an accident.
There are 32 teams in the National Football League. Only one of them has managed 6 to 10 regular season wins in each of the past 8 seasons dating to 2009. We do it emphatically and on merit, seldom tinkering with the parameters of 6 or 10 as opposed to asserting the midsection as our home. It's basically a Crowd franchise, let alone Crowd team. Our owner is Crowd. Our general managers have been Crowd. Coaches are Crowd. Our patched stadium is Crowd. Even when we needlessly lessened our uniforms and logo we kept them in Crowd bracketing instead of butchering to the bottom of the league.
I've called it the most boring era in franchise history. So much Crowd. I prefer to be entertained and kept guessing, as opposed to knowing I can predict 8-8 without any thought at all.
I don't have patience for the technical guys who like to imagine and shout all type of Cream and Crap variables, apparently swirling around and counteracting each other, like these storms in the Atlantic.
It is a bit odd that Adam Gase has so few big uptick games, ones in which the team drastically exceeds expectation. There should be a sampling of that regardless of role...home or road, underdog or favorite, divisional or not. It is something to keep an eye on going forward, but no big deal now.
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Do you blame him???!!! LMAO......I waiting to see the cheerleaders at our home games swigging from booze bottles and passing out ala "The Waterboy" rather than put up with watching the crap the Dolphins are showing on the field.