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LeBron James...PROOF that Loyalty DOESN'T MATTER...

Jordan did **** without Pippin: 38-44, 30-52, 40-42 and no post season wins before Scotty came along. Finally made it to the championship round in 90-91 and beat a Magic Worthy team. Then repeated beating a Drexler plus role players Portland team; next year over a Barkely, Ceballos and role player Suns team; and so forth and so on (did I mention that success correlated with Rodman also leading or among the board leaders?)

So dispense with this Wade BS: LeBron accomplished more earlier on with Mike Brown and role players and then with the Heat than Jordan did before Pippin and then Rodman joined the band not led by Eric Spoelstra, but by Phil Jackson. LeBron is on a more impressive career ascension than Jordan. Whether in the future he becomes as selfish, or as big a big on or off the court as Jordan, or embarrasses himself with a whaaambulance ride during his own HOF induction speech of course remains to be seen. However, so far he's carried himself with more dignity, class and self-effacement than the Ricky Williams-level quitter Jordan. Only douchebags wanna "be like Mike." (or maybe UNC fanboy hero worshippers too)

Oh did Jordan eever beat a team in the finals as good as OKLa City was last season? I think not.

Hell if the superstar that actually played with and helped him achieve championships apparently thinks LeBron is better, that's good enough for me.
 
but if he had chosen the Knicks you would have loved it :lol:

i could give a **** about how we got him or his history.

all that i care about is our two rings and the possablity of more to come.

I'm not a Knick fan but if he came to my favorite tea of course I would have loved it. This is not about the fans, the fans(all 25 of you) should enjoy every second. This is about an all time elite player taking the easy way out.

And now the "perceived" easy way out didn't turn out so easy did it.

You have to be dizzy at this point after talking in circles. LeBron could take a team of bums in Cleveland to the promised land, yet in Miami he needs bums to bail him out. Think about it. You just don't like him going to Miami. Get over it. Suck it up and get used to it.

The players are realizing that they have more say in their careers than the guys before them. LeBron is the trendsetter. More superstars will bail on the sorry teams that draft them. Kevin Durant will get the hell out of Oklahoma City before it's all over. Especially now that he has signed with Jay-Z. Superstars get pushed to superstar cities. It makes for a better product. If Cleveland wants to win a title, they need to get started flushing toilets in their own city. It ms a dump. No one wants to be there. It's a mopey town. Good for LeBron taking a **** on that miserable city.

You're mad because you're some fan who think some athlete owes you something lol. Get real.

He learned the hard way getting humiliated by Dallas.

I have nothing against the Heat, they mean nothing to me. I rooted for the Heat against the Knicks in most of those series' in the 90s/early 00s.

That's a sad trend for sports if that is the case.

No athletes owe me anything other than effort. It sounds like you have some issues and are trying to project those issues onto others.

Jordan did **** without Pippin: 38-44, 30-52, 40-42 and no post season wins before Scotty came along. Finally made it to the championship round in 90-91 and beat a Magic Worthy team. Then repeated beating a Drexler plus role players Portland team; next year over a Barkely, Ceballos and role player Suns team; and so forth and so on (did I mention that success correlated with Rodman also leading or among the board leaders?)

So dispense with this Wade BS: LeBron accomplished more earlier on with Mike Brown and role players and then with the Heat than Jordan did before Pippin and then Rodman joined the band not led by Eric Spoelstra, but by Phil Jackson. LeBron is on a more impressive career ascension than Jordan. Whether in the future he becomes as selfish, or as big a big on or off the court as Jordan, or embarrasses himself with a whaaambulance ride during his own HOF induction speech of course remains to be seen. However, so far he's carried himself with more dignity, class and self-effacement than the Ricky Williams-level quitter Jordan. Only douchebags wanna "be like Mike." (or maybe UNC fanboy hero worshippers too)

Oh did Jordan eever beat a team in the finals as good as OKLa City was last season? I think not.

Hell if the superstar that actually played with and helped him achieve championships apparently thinks LeBron is better, that's good enough for me.

Michael Jordan played TWO seasons w/o Pippen. One dynasty was coming to an end(Boston) and another starting(Eastern conference dynasty- Detroit). Check what Pippen did w/o Jordan. Wade won a title w/o Lebron, Pippen never even made the Finals.

Jordan as a ROOKIE led the Bulls to the playoffs, a place they hadn't been in 3 years and a place they had been ONE time in the previous 7 seasons. It took Lebron 3 years to make the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference w/ no team close to being a dynasty team.

EVERY team Jordan beat in the Finals was as good or better than OKC was a year ago and he never needed to get to game 7, never lost a Finals(LeBron has twice), never faced elimination in the Finals, never got swept in a 7 game series,

I know you don't know anything about football but basketball too? There's not n educated basketball fan alive who isn't a Heat/Lebron homer who thinks Lebron is anywhere near Jordan at this point.
 
yeah like Sanchez "led" the jest to the postseason... Jordan "led" the Bulls in his first year to a 38-44 record, his second year, 30-52 and his 3rd year, 40-42. But of course, having such a bad division that losing 54% of your games qualiies for a 1 and done post season is probably more worthy than having the colts lay down by pulling their starters while ahead.. as far as you're concerned. Using your standards, Wade is better than Jordan cuz he actually won not only post season games, but also his first (now of 3) championships a helluva lot sooner, right?

Anyone who takes junk's LeBron vs Jordan attacks seriously, needs to step back and look at that UNC sig logo on his trollisms to understand that he pimps jordan the same way he does the jest and buttchez.

Once again, Jordan until Pippen never made it as far with a better supporting cast than Cleveland did with LeBron and a bunch of medocires. Never and that won't change!
 
yeah like Sanchez "led" the jest to the postseason... Jordan "led" the Bulls in his first year to a 38-44 record, his second year, 30-52 and his 3rd year, 40-42. But of course, having such a bad division that losing 54% of your games qualiies for a 1 and done post season is probably more worthy than having the colts lay down by pulling their starters while ahead.. as far as you're concerned. Using your standards, Wade is better than Jordan cuz he actually won not only post season games, but also his first (now of 3) championships a helluva lot sooner, right?

Anyone who takes junk's LeBron vs Jordan attacks seriously, needs to step back and look at that UNC sig logo on his trollisms to understand that he pimps jordan the same way he does the jest and buttchez.

Once again, Jordan until Pippen never made it as far with a better supporting cast than Cleveland did with LeBron and a bunch of medocires. Never and that won't change!

AGAIN, he had 2 healthy years w/o Pippen. They would have won titles w/ or w/o Pippen in the 90s. The NBA was MUCH better back in the 80s especially in the east, he didn't have the luxury of playing in a softer East until a decade later.

It's beyond comical to see you bash the greatest player to ever play the game, you know basketball as well as you know football:lol:

I have never met a bigger homer/excuse maker in my life. bashing MICHAEL JORDAN to pump up a hometown team- a team he has supposedly ben a fan of since day 1. Were you one of the hundreds of Heat die hards at the parade yesterday?:lol2::lol2:
 
Right now Jordan is considered the GOAT. When lebrons career is over there will be a legitimate debate between the two. Certain people sense that's going to be the case so they try to knock Lebron now because they feel threatened that in the end there will be that debate. That's why they say things like "Jordan will always be the best ever". It's not what they believe its what they really really want it to be so they say things to try to avoid this inevitable outcome.

Lebrons 28 and the only alltime great he's being compared to is Jordan. Not magic, not bird, nor Kobe. Only Jordan. When its all said and done, after lebrons career is over, Lebron will be considered 1 or 2. It will be the closest debate as to who's the GOAT since Michael retired
 
Right now Jordan is considered the GOAT. When lebrons career is over there will be a legitimate debate between the two. Certain people sense that's going to be the case so they try to knock Lebron now because they feel threatened that in the end there will be that debate. That's why they say things like "Jordan will always be the best ever". It's not what they believe its what they really really want it to be so they say things to try to avoid this inevitable outcome.

Lebrons 28 and the only alltime great he's being compared to is Jordan. Not magic, not bird, nor Kobe. Only Jordan. When its all said and done, after lebrons career is over, Lebron will be considered 1 or 2. It will be the closest debate as to who's the GOAT since Michael retired

LeBron is on a nice path but he isn't being compared to Jordan, I think people are hoping there is a legit debate when his career is over but he has a LONG way to go to get in that discussion but he's on the right track.

I doubt it will ever be close b/c of the way he left Cleveland and need to have stars around him to win and b/c he has already lost 2 NBA Finals, Michael never even faced an elimination game.

They are both all time greats w/ different styles. I love the Lebron is getting more aggressive and demanding the ball in big spots, we'll see if he can stay healthy and keep winning.
 
AGAIN, he had 2 healthy years w/o Pippen. They would have won titles w/ or w/o Pippen in the 90s. The NBA was MUCH better back in the 80s especially in the east, he didn't have the luxury of playing in a softer East until a decade later.

It's beyond comical to see you bash the greatest player to ever play the game, you know basketball as well as you know football:lol:

I have never met a bigger homer/excuse maker in my life. bashing MICHAEL JORDAN to pump up a hometown team- a team he has supposedly ben a fan of since day 1. Were you one of the hundreds of Heat die hards at the parade yesterday?:lol2::lol2:

No I was working for a living (and unlike you, no one pays me to serial post all day in at least 3 AFCE forums to put the jest best foot forward as the social media specialist). And it was a very nice day for me thank you ..but I did have it on TV.

You love to bring up Ricky as a quitter on his team - well what about that whoremaster, degenerate gambler (ever bet on his own team I wonder) selfish chucker Jordan? Next time you think of bringing up Ricky, you should just STFU considering your hero.

And as far as me casting some doubt on Jordan, how is that different than you attacking the best team ever, Perfectville???? The fact of the matter is that LeBron did more in season and postseason faster with less than Jordan ever did. And Jorrdan did not start winning post season games until he had Pippin. No debate on those
 
No I was working for a living (and unlike you, no one pays me to serial post all day in at least 3 AFCE forums to put the jest best foot forward as the social media specialist). And it was a very nice day for me thank you ..but I did have it on TV.

You love to bring up Ricky as a quitter on his team - well what about that whoremaster, degenerate gambler (ever bet on his own team I wonder) selfish chucker Jordan? Next time you think of bringing up Ricky, you should just STFU considering your hero.

And as far as me casting some doubt on Jordan, how is that different than you attacking the best team ever, Perfectville???? The fact of the matter is that LeBron did more in season and postseason faster with less than Jordan ever did. And Jorrdan did not start winning post season games until he had Pippin. No debate on those

I'm sorry that you couldn't make the parade to celebrate w/ hundreds of your fellow "fans". I'd be paid to go if we had one here.

Did Jordan leave his team w/ a week until training camp? did Ricky win 3 then 6 titles? How in the world can you compare the 2? Only you:lol:

They aren't the best team and I don't bash them, you are bashing the best player ever.

Really?

Made playoffs:
Lebron: 3rd year
Jordan: 1st year

first scoring title:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 2nd full year

first AS game:
Lebron: 2nd year
Jordan: 1st year

DPOY award:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 3rd full year

First MVP:
Lebron: 6th year
Jordan: 3rd full year

first NBA title:
Lebron: 9th year
Jordan: 7th year(6th full)


what exactly did he do faster than Jordan? you clearly have no idea how great Michael Jordan was so you should probably move on to another topic to whine about.
 
I'm sorry that you couldn't make the parade to celebrate w/ hundreds of your fellow "fans". I'd be paid to go if we had one here.

Did Jordan leave his team w/ a week until training camp? did Ricky win 3 then 6 titles? How in the world can you compare the 2? Only you:lol:

They aren't the best team and I don't bash them, you are bashing the best player ever.

Really?

Made playoffs:
Lebron: 3rd year
Jordan: 1st year

first scoring title:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 2nd full year

first AS game:
Lebron: 2nd year
Jordan: 1st year

DPOY award:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 3rd full year

First MVP:
Lebron: 6th year
Jordan: 3rd full year

first NBA title:
Lebron: 9th year
Jordan: 7th year(6th full)


what exactly did he do faster than Jordan? you clearly have no idea how great Michael Jordan was so you should probably move on to another topic to whine about.

Jordan quit on his team, left his teammates high and dry. Doesn't matter when, only that he did it to pursue another selfish endeavor. With all your parsed gobbledegook think you forgot to include first playoff victory, first conference championship, first to the finals, eh?

There's so much BS here, and you can find cases made throughout the web that Jordan was great but certaiinly not the best ever using any criteria. And I wouldn't call a first season38-44 noticably better than LeBron's first season of 35-47, no matter that Chicago was in such a sucky division that they made the playoffs by default beforfe being sent home. And I would definitely call LeBrons second season of 42-40 better than Mikey's 30-52, and his third season record of 50-32 seems to be better than Jordan's 40-42. And that's without Pippin. Personally I'd take Magic, a more complete, unselfish player, along LeBron's mold than that egomaniac. Weren't you embarrassed for him during that terrible HOF induction speech. I wasn't cuz it showed what a scumbag he was and is. Again, you can be a NC fanboy all you want, but the guy who played with him says LeBron is the better player.

Interesting Part 1:
If you think Michael Jordan is the best player ever, before you continue reading, quickly determine why you think he is the best ever. Championships? Points? Records? Multiple criteria? Whatever they are, quickly define them. I will now dismantle the myth that Jordan is the best ever using YOUR criteria. Remember, the purpose isn't to determine that player X is the best ever...only that Jordan is NOT the best.

Bill Russell -- In college, Russell won 2 national championships in 3 seasons. Jordan won 1 championship in 3 seasons. Russell was the star of his championships. No matter how much the history revisionists try to use hype to change reality, Jordan was NOT the star of the 1982 Tar Heels. James Worthy was. Furthermore, Russell’s team won 55 games in a row. This is a most impressive feat, but consider that this is all the MORE impressive when you consider that every single game was on the road, because the University of San Francisco did not have a home gymnasium. I have covered Jordan’s lack of winning in college in great detail. I suppose a Jordan-supporter could point out that USF made the Final 4 the year after Russell graduated, but consider that UNC made the championship game the year BEFORE Jordan joined (making it 1981 and 1982). After James Worthy left in 1982, UNC failed to make it back to the championship game during Jordan’s 1983 and 84 seasons, and didn’t make the Final Four again until 1993. Furthermore, UNC went farther in the tournament the year after Jordan left than they did during his last year there, and they had a #2 seed. Therefore, no matter what argument is used, it boils down to Bill Russell was a more valuable college player and winner.

In the pros, Bill Russell played 13 seasons. His teams played in the NBA Finals 12 of those 13 seasons. They won the title in 11 of those seasons, including eight seasons in a row. In his second season, he played in the sixth game on a severely sprained ankle, and his team lost in overtime. Jordan fans like to claim that if Jordan had not retired, the Bulls would have won eight straight (ignoring that Jordan DID play in 1995 and couldn’t win the title), but if Russell had not sprained an ankle, Russell probably would have won 10 titles in a row (and 12 in 13 seasons). And while Russell, like Jordan, happened to have good teammates and coaches, consider that the Celtics did not win the title until Russell joined the Celtics, and failed to make the playoffs the year after he retired, going from NBA champion to no playoff appearance. Jordan fans will try to say the same thing about the 1999 seasons, but the Bulls lost eight players, four of which were starters – big difference. This is an undisputed fact: Jordan retired in 1993, and the Bulls still made the playoffs, nearly capturing the best record in the east. It is simple to see that not only was Russell a bigger winner than Jordan, but also more valuable to his team than Jordan was to his team.

Jordan fans initially try to say that Russell was simply a good player playing with many good players. This is true. Jordan also played on great teams. That explains why he played on 3 losing teams and had a 1-9 playoff record before Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant joined the Bulls. You see, no matter how many times the media says otherwise, Jordan could not win by himself. However, note just how much Russell changed his teams overnight, and how badly they did when he left, and compare this to Jordan. Russell was more valuable to his team than Jordan.

Want to talk about changing the game? Russell is indisputably the greatest defensive player in NBA history. He is one of the 3 greatest rebounders in history (statistically #2), and on offense, he averaged 15.1 ppg (more than Rik Smits) and 4.3 apg (Jordan averaged 4.1 over his last 3 seasons) on a balanced team. Compare this to a balanced scoring team of today -- the Portland Trailblazers (Isaiah Rider led the team in scoring at 13.9 ppg) -- and Russell looks very good. In 1962, he averaged 18.9 ppg (17th best in the league), 23.6 rpg (#2), and 4.6 apg (#12). Want to talk about dominating?

However, consider this...

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, like Jordan, won six championships. However, he won more Most Valuable Player awards (six to five). Jordan-supporters often say, "yeah, but where would he be with Magic Johnson?" All I can say for sure is that without Johnson he would still have 5 MVPs, 1 championship (1971 Milwaukee Bucks) and one other trip to the finals (1973), as well as the best record in the NBA 3 times (1971, 73, and 74). This is what he did before he teamed up with Magic Johnson. Abdul-Jabbar did have great teammates, and one of the best ever in Johnson, but I counter with this, "what has Jordan ever done without Pippen?" Here is your answer: a losing regular season record and a 1-9 post-season record in the 3 seasons without Pippen. Jabbar scored more points in his career, won more MVPs and won just as many championships as Jordan. Abdul-Jabbar won 3 national titles in 3 years of college, and is regarded by most as one of the two greatest players in NCAA history (Bill Walton being the other). Abdul-Jabbar dominated every level, Jordan did not.

Wilt Chamberlain – Chamberlain re-wrote the record books and dominated like no player before or since. His first year in the league, he set rebounding and scoring records that no OTHER player before or since has broken. In 1961-62, he AVERAGED 50.4 ppg. He won seven scoring titles, 11 rebounding titles, and led the league in minutes played 8 times. He averaged over 45 minutes per game every game of his career. In 1967-68 he led the league in assists – something Jordan has never came close to doing. Chamberlain holds the records for points scored in a season and a game (100), rebounds in a game (55), season, and career., as well as minutes played in a season (he averaged 48.5 min/game in 1961-62), and field goal percentage in a season (72.7%).

Detractors try to attribute this to height, yet they cannot explain why Abdul-Jabbar couldn’t equal these feats, despite being taller, and playing against Chamberlain for four seasons, or why players like Shawn Bradley, Rik Smits, Ralph Sampson, Gheorghe Muresan, Mark Eaton, or Dikembe Mutombo have never challenged these feats.

In addition to re-writing the record books, Chamberlain re-wrote the rule books, as the league passed many rules to try to limit his dominance. Jordan, on the other hand, has been the beneficiary of rules passed to ENHANCE his scoring (hand checks, defined zones, 3-point shot, flagrant fouls).

Jordan-supporters know that Jordan’s feats cannot match up to Chamberlains. They point to their career scoring averages, yet cannot explain why Chamberlain has 119 games with 50+ points, to Jordan’s 29. Furthermore, while they chalk up Chamberlain's rebounding dominance to his height advantage, they cannot explain why he led the league in assists, and Jordan could not. Jordan-supporters inevitably come to the conclusion that Jordan is better because he has more championships. However, Chamberlain’s teams often lost to Russell’s Celtics (seven times), so Jordan-supporters are simply coming to the conclusion that Bill Russell is better than Jordan. This, in turn, leads to them asking who has the records AND the rings. The answer is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. No matter what criteria is used, Jordan is not the best.

Jordan fans, cornered by their self-destructive arguments will invariably say, "yeah, but those guys are all centers. Look at what Jordan did, and he was smaller." First of all, they have now abandoned their "best ever" stance, and have tried a "best inch-per-inch" argument. This is the first sign of defeat. The second sign comes in the form of…

Oscar Robertson – Robertson was 2 inches shorter than Jordan, yet he did things Jordan can only dream of. He is considered by every respectable source, one of the five greatest college players in history. In his first season as a pro, he averaged 30.5 ppg, 9.7 rpg, and 9.7 apg. Over the course of his first five seasons he AVERAGED a triple-double. Triple-double games were not recorded when Robertson played. It was another day at the office for him. This perfectly illustrates the difference between Robertson and Jordan. The media made a big deal out of Jordan having the first (recorded) triple-double in All-Star history, just like they make a big deal out of Jason Kidd’s 7-or so triple-doubles he has each year. For Robertson, he didn’t need to have an extra assists to reach 10, to have that "triple-double," because it wasn’t a big deal. The media saw greatness for what it was and not because a guy has 10 assists, 10 rebounds, and 10 points. Robertson didn’t simply have triple-doubles, he had man-sized triple-doubles. His triple-doubles were on the order of 30-11-10. In 1962, he finished in the top 10 in rebounds. In 1968, he led the entire league in ppg, apg, and ft%. Jordan has never led the league in apg or ft%, nor has he ever finished in the league leaders in rebounds. Oscar simply had a more complete game.

Jordan did not make those around him better. Robertson did. Wayne Embry was an undersized (6’8") center. Yet, in 6 seasons playing with Robertson, he was an all-star 5 times. Adrian Smith was a spot-up shooter, similar to John Paxson and Steve Kerr. Yet, playing alongside Robertson not only got him an all-star appearance, but all-star MVP, thanks to Robertson setting out to get it for Smith. Robertson won 11 out of 12 all-star games, and to put it in context, the All-Star game was more than a goof-around exhibition. Players salaries were much lower (most players had summer jobs), and the money handed out to the winning all-star team was significant.

Robertson’s teams were often overmatched, losing often to Russell’s Celtics or Chamberlain’s teams. However, when he went to Milwaukee, he turned a good team into one of the all-time great teams. During his 4 years there, they had the best record in the division 3 times (and in the other season, they won 63 games to LA’s record-setting 69), and made 2 trips to the NBA Finals, winning once. Not surprisingly, when he retired, the Bucks went from the NBA finals, to a losing record (from 59-23 to 38-44), and no playoff appearance.

Jordan did not have the same impact on the Bulls as Robertson did for the Bucks and the Royals. Jordan’s game was not as complete as Robertson’s either, and Jordan, unlike Robertson, could not improve the quality of those he played with. So inch-for-inch, Jordan is not the greatest player ever. Once again, no matter what standard you use, Jordan simply is not the greatest basketball player ever.

 
Jordan quit on his team, left his teammates high and dry. Doesn't matter when, only that he did it to pursue another selfish endeavor. With all your parsed gobbledegook think you forgot to include first playoff victory, first conference championship, first to the finals, eh?

There's so much BS here, and you can find cases made throughout the web that Jordan was great but certaiinly not the best ever using any criteria. And I wouldn't call a first season38-44 noticably better than LeBron's first season of 35-47, no matter that Chicago was in such a sucky division that they made the playoffs by default beforfe being sent home. And I would definitely call LeBrons second season of 42-40 better than Mikey's 30-52, and his third season record of 50-32 seems to be better than Jordan's 40-42. And that's without Pippin. Personally I'd take Magic, a more complete, unselfish player, along LeBron's mold than that egomaniac. Weren't you embarrassed for him during that terrible HOF induction speech. I wasn't cuz it showed what a scumbag he was and is. Again, you can be a NC fanboy all you want, but the guy who played with him says LeBron is the better player.

Interesting Part 1:



He left after the 1993 season, he gave them plenty of time to move forward. obviously losing him was a huge blow but he didn't do it a week before camp b/c he wanted to do drugs and he gave them 3 championships and made that franchise relevant. Did Ricky do any of that?

Here's one of the many differences btw you and I, I can think for myself and evaluate for myself. you need to find some yahoo on the internet to tell you how to think.

You don't even know how to spell Pippen yet you are telling me how great he was.

I love how you never have a counter when I post, you just deflect w/ something else.

Nice article, how about a link?

The only guy even in the discussion is Russell, he was the ultimate winner BUT he was on a loaded team in an era w/ very few teams but there isn't any issue including him in a best ever discussion. the others? they don't belong even as great as they were. I was a huge Laker fan and magic fan as a kid so my bias is him. I HATED Jordan and the Bulls but I appreciate greatness. The funny thing is I have met Magic multiple times and discussed this w/ him and he admits Jordan was the best.
 
Why can't people just realize that Jordan has been retired for over a decade now, and is nothing but a crappy team owner nowadays?
 
I still havent had junc really explain to me why playing on a good team for the team that drafted you is different than playing on a good team for a team that didnt draft you.

And yeah, Ray Allen hit a big 3. How many big 3s did Paxon, Kerr, ect. hit? How many big boards did Rodman pull?
 
I'm sorry that you couldn't make the parade to celebrate w/ hundreds of your fellow "fans". I'd be paid to go if we had one here.

Did Jordan leave his team w/ a week until training camp? did Ricky win 3 then 6 titles? How in the world can you compare the 2? Only you:lol:

They aren't the best team and I don't bash them, you are bashing the best player ever.

Really?

Made playoffs:
Lebron: 3rd year 21 years old
Jordan: 1st year 21 years old

first scoring title:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 2nd full year

first AS game:
Lebron: 2nd year 20 years old
Jordan: 1st year 22 years old

DPOY award:
Lebron: still waiting
Jordan: 3rd full year

First MVP:
Lebron: 6th year 25 years old
Jordan: 3rd full year 25 years old

first NBA title:
Lebron: 9th year 28 years old
Jordan: 7th year(6th full) 28 years old

Same age or less in most of those categories. NBA is a better, more competitive league than in the 80s. The rules are different and the game is played differently.

When all comes down to it though, Jordan is right now the GOAT. Hands down. But Lebron is still writing his legacy. Its unfair to compare Jordan's full career to Lebron's unfinished career.
 
junk says that he never denied LeBron's greatness and that LeBron was going to win titles regardless, then junk turns around and says that LeBron HAD to leave Cleveland to win titles and that he HAD to join a ready made team and HAD to be a sidekick and HAD to this and that to win a title.

Still yapping in circles I see. Standard protocol from this guy.

LOL @ Had to join Wade like Wade is some Batman. More like LeBron is Batman and Wade has been Alfred.
 
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