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Marvez: "Stephen Ross is a disgrace"

Its not corporate welfare when others in the community benefit for the upgrade.
 
Our organization is threathing people now? wow.... wait til mike florio hears about this , seems like mike dee is always in the middle of these things. Remember when the dolphins got clowned for the halftime 60 yard field goal thing? everything from ireland to dee to ross has made everyone around the league hate miami. No free agents want to play here anymore and its just sad what this franchsie has become. The only person with any class in our front office is joe philbin, if any free agents come to miami it will be because of philbin. Atleast we have something to look up for .
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Great interview. Thanks for the link.

Once again the Dolphins prove to be PR clods. Both Sedano and Marvez took offense to emails sent from the organization, desperate to serve as mouthpiece. You can tell the tone Sedano and Marvez struck was partially because they don't like being told what to say. If the Dolphins had any class or patience they'd merely sit back and allow the stadium presentation to stand for itself.

Marvez properly used terms like "corporate welfare" and "veiled threats." That second topic alone warranted more criticism than Marvez or Sedano allowed. Mike Dee is the most disgraceful member of the organization in the 40+ years I've followed the team. He doesn't care about the city or the area or the fans or anything beyond the guy writing his checks in the time he'll spend here.

Frankly, the local media have been far too kind to Dee. I hope they jump all over this stadium proposal and pick it apart. We need the front page Herald reporters to look into it, not the sports guys. Assign the ones who looked into Rick Scott's history before he became governor. In particular, the cost needs to be scoped. I love how Stephen Ross tries to get credit for covering any over runs. Yep, that charitable Ross, always looking out for the little guy, as his comments during the lockout last year revealed. When he's asserting he'll cover over runs it screams to me he knows the estimate is wildly inflated and there won't be over runs. I mean, if it's going to require mere months and the Dolphins won't have to even consider relocating for a season, how is this $400 million? I've seen comments from specialists on other sites that $400 million seems absurdly high. I mentioned it hours ago in the long thread, that I doubted bang for the buck. If it's $400 million we're probably sinking more than warranted into frills like the HD screens, and not the needed alterations like sticking actual fans closer to the actual game.
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Politics cloud everything you run into?
 
MarshallFin1 said:
Our organization is threathing people now? wow.... wait til mike florio hears about this , seems like mike dee is always in the middle of these things. Remember when the dolphins got clowned for the halftime 60 yard field goal thing? everything from ireland to dee to ross has made everyone around the league hate miami. No free agents want to play here anymore and its just sad what this franchsie has become. The only person with any class in our front office is joe philbin, if any free agents come to miami it will be because of philbin. Atleast we have something to look up for .
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What proof do you have to come up with this conclusion? I guess the ignorant one's are MIAMI's own FA's who stay.
 
Some fans will stick by this team no matter what. Since Ross has taken over he has done little right. I live in PA so the proposal means nothing to me. I'm a fan regardless of what happens. The fact that Dee and Ross seem to bully certain writers around is laughable. Ross should sell the team. I think that's something many of us can agree on.
 
Hayden Fox said:
Its not corporate welfare when others in the community benefit for the upgrade.
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the benefit is greatly exagerrated except to the billionaire owner. Taxpayer money going to schools and taking care of the public would be much more beneficial but of course some fans think we should subsidize millionaires and billionaires so they have guaranteed profit. Its shameful how sports that make billions of dollars cant put some of their profit into fixing their stadiums . I know its much easier to blackmail cities into giving public money by talking about viablity of team with this stadium. Its never enough money and thats fine but its not the taxpayers responsibility(that same taxpayer that the majority of dont benefit one iota from us remodeling our stadium) Dont worry in Hillsborough we got the same lines as the Glazers profits just got bigger and Tampa for the most part was not affected at all by the new stadium. dont worry thought the Glazers made awesome profits and were able to buy United because of the generosity of the american taxpayer. It is totally ridiculous for public funds to go towards a private stadium of which not one profit comes back to the community. A free loan that never has to be paid back that just increases the value of the team for when Ross wants to sell it. So we have nothing better to spend over 200 million on in the Miami area.
The city of Miami gets very little true return on their 200 million dollar giveaway. Somehow sports owners have the sweetest deal in history where they dont even have to finance their venues, just rake in the profits.
I dont totally blame Ross its a sports thing but this great windfall to the community is such a fallacy. Yea the schools need to plug a 90 million dollar hole but lets make Stephen Ross richer. The police had a 40 million dollar hole but hey lets make Stephen Ross richer.
 
dlockz said:
the benefit is greatly exagerrated except to the billionaire owner. Taxpayer money going to schools and taking care of the public would be much more beneficial but of course some fans think we should subsidize millionaires and billionaires so they have guaranteed profit. Its shameful how sports that make billions of dollars cant put some of their profit into fixing their stadiums . I know its much easier to blackmail cities into giving public money by talking about viablity of team with this stadium. Its never enough money and thats fine but its not the taxpayers responsibility(that same taxpayer that the majority of dont benefit one iota from us remodeling our stadium) Dont worry in Hillsborough we got the same lines as the Glazers profits just got bigger and Tampa for the most part was not affected at all by the new stadium. dont worry thought the Glazers made awesome profits and were able to buy United because of the generosity of the american taxpayer. It is totally ridiculous for public funds to go towards a private stadium of which not one profit comes back to the community. A free loan that never has to be paid back that just increases the value of the team for when Ross wants to sell it. So we have nothing better to spend over 200 million on in the Miami area.
The city of Miami gets very little true return on their 200 million dollar giveaway. Somehow sports owners have the sweetest deal in history where they dont even have to finance their venues, just rake in the profits.
I dont totally blame Ross its a sports thing but this great windfall to the community is such a fallacy. Yea the schools need to plug a 90 million dollar hole but lets make Stephen Ross richer. The police had a 40 million dollar hole but hey lets make Stephen Ross richer.
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doesn't the city benefit from the Superbowl?
 
rent this space said:
doesn't the city benefit from the Superbowl?
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There are some benefits of course but the city still could possibly get a superbowl without giving a handout to Ross. Im sorry though Ross is only thinking of Miami not increasing the value of his franchise on tax payer money. The city also has expenditures if we get a superbowl. The NFL uses the superbowl to extort millions from cities every year and makes sure that the taxpayers get soaked so they can get richer at very little risk.
The Superbowl impact is quite overrated though in reality but anyone can twist numbers to their liking. The real loser in all of these lies is always the fan because even though he as a taxpayer helped pay for the stadium upgrades , the prices go up as well as everything else because of course its a better venue and its already such a bargain now. With or without a superbowl people come to Miami to visit in droves because we are a tourist destination. Miami set a record just a couple of years ago for tourists visiting the area. A superbowl doesnt make or break the Miami economy but giving away hard earned tax dollars instead of putting it into police and school budgets is akin to criminal. I never got how sports teams owner and commisioners dont feel they should pay for their venues. I got a suggestion since they want us to pay for these stadiums and such. Give a percentage of profit back to the cities based on percentile of tax dollars spent on team facilities. Yea I want my tax dollars to go to the 70,000 people on good days that buy a game ticket 8 times a year instead of needed services.
 
I like how they say they looked into it and hotels are at 80% capacity at that time of the year anyway so they're only gaining like 20%. Uh, hello... going from 80 to 100% is probably a huge deal to the hotel industry in Miami and the surrounding area.
 
roy_miami said:
I like how they say they looked into it and hotels are at 80% capacity at that time of the year anyway so they're only gaining like 20%. Uh, hello... going from 80 to 100% is probably a huge deal to the hotel industry in Miami and the surrounding area.
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well in terms of actual impact overall these were from a study

Philip Porter, an economics professor from the University of South Florida, attempted to figure out the Super Bowl's financial impact in 2007. The Sun-Sentinel reports that "he said he examined data from the Florida Department of Revenue showing expenditures in Miami-Dade County were $3.318 billion in February 2006 and $3.308 billion in February 2007."

The impact is quite overrated. Yes it has impact as would any type of big event but its not the boon that the NFL want u to believe. The superbowl has turned into pure extortion from the nfl to keep the cities footing the bill on stadiums. Sweet deal for the NFL
 
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