Well the Ravens FO has come out and said Ray never lied to them about what happened and they knew exactly what happened. This was yesterday.
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Well the Ravens FO has come out and said Ray never lied to them about what happened and they knew exactly what happened. This was yesterday.
Well then either they didn't understand the severity of his actions or they ignored it. If they ignored it they should be getting a heck of a lot more heat than Goodell right now. Like the coach and front office should be fired.
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The "Goodell won't get canned because he makes the owners too much money" line of thought is interesting, but ultimately off-base, IMO.
There are a lot of schmoes the owners can trot out there to do Goodell's job pretty much the same as he does. And none of those schmoes will be someone controversial who has a significant aura of public outrage surrounding him or her.
There are a lot of schmoes the owners can trot out there to do Goodell's job pretty much the same as he does. And none of those schmoes will be someone controversial who has a significant aura of public outrage surrounding him or her.
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If anything, Goodell could be losing money, for the fact of his leniency with domestic violence and this issue right here. Like one poster said, 40% of the fanbase is women. Something like this, if not corrected will cause a big loss in female buyers and fans, thus loss in revenue. If Goodell stays commissioner, I can see there being a drop off with female fans, so the potentual for loss or revenue and public relations reasons, I think Gooddell, could be gone hopefully
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The thing is, Goodell does the job the owners want him to do. So if we have a new commissioner, that new commish will be doing the same job, but maybe with a little bit more tact.
It makes a lot of sense. It's a culmination of Goodell's incompetent history on domestic abuse and his lackadaisical discipline concerning the issues as a whole.
During Goodell’s tenure as commissioner, there have been 56 instances of domestic violence. In response to those incidents, the NFL has suspended players for 13 games combined. Only 10 players were released from their teams. Of those 10 players suspended for domestic violence under Goodell’s charge since 2007, none were more than two games. Half were only a single game. The only NFL domestic violence suspension in the entire database longer than two games was Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman’s three-game suspension in 2004.
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I, for one, am not very impressed by Hannah Storm's little monologue. Nor am I a fan of this "the NFL has to stand up against all social injustices" movement we all seem to be riding right now. This ridiculous "What does the NFL stand for?" pitch does not move me either. It stands for "National Football League", you bozo(s)! Any other questions?
I'd expect such a feeble response from someone who took her concluding words in the literal sense. It wasn't a question posed to inquire the NFL's acronym form. She was in terms asking, what does the NFL support. She was asking, where does it stand on such social issues that pose real troubles in our society; unlike that of the seemingly meaningless purpose of providing entertainment of a game. She was questioning it's character as an organization.
I get you're a fan of football. We all are here in a sense. But by doing so we also condone how the NFL conducts and presents itself in a social manner as well. Turning a blind eye to what is happening doesn't make it go away, doesn't make it better and in fact it makes it worse thru ignorantly shunning the true problems that arise. By giving our support we, as fans, are essentially an accomplice to the NFL's actions and the NFL is failing awfully in it's benighted disposition and discipline on problematic social issues.
Well, thanks for explaining that to me - now I definitely stand behind her!
Look, maybe "bozo" is too harsh. Also, I don't necessarily have a problem with the league having a personal conduct policy that allows them to discipline players for off-field issues; however, in my opinion, it has gone way overboard. It can't be this free-for-all, "let's knee jerk suspend anyone who does something offensive for however long it takes to stop the negative press" approach. That's just brutally unfair to the players.
Based on what little (we think) we know, Ray Rice and his fiancee had too much to drink and got in an argument, she came at him and he hit her back and accidentally knocked her out (I say accidentally because I doubt that was his intention). First time offender, very repentant. Result: 2 game suspension, but then when video comes out and public outcry escalates, indefinite suspension. And now Hannah Storm pitches in with her 2c (I have no idea what she wants to see - maybe a lifetime suspension for Ray Rice and all his offspring?), and so the league will have to respond with something else. I mean, it's a circus, a gong show, a kangaroo court where the rules are made up as we go along, governed by public opinion and Twitter outrage.
What's even worse is how it opens Pandora's box for things like extortion, TMZ, etc. Want to make a quick buck - why not see if you can get a white player to use the word ni$$% in public? Or follow around a southern black player to see how he disciplines his kid. Or better yet, act gay and see if you can get a player to call you a name in a bar. Cha-ching.
We're holding these players to a behavioral standard that is not only ill-defined, but it's far above what normal people have to adhere to. Worse yet, the consequences for not meeting that standard are highly unpredictable and potentially career-destroying. You're right, I love football and I want to watch it without the specter of what will show up on twitter tomorrow hanging over the game. Frankly it wasn't too long ago that we relied on this thing called a legal system to handle bad behavior. Why we abandoned it for this weird mob-sourced justice is beyond me...
I vehemently disagree with the bolded statement. "Accidentally knocked her out"??? You're kidding right? Intent or not, there is no tolerance for such a cowardly and criminally punishable act. Zero tolerance. There's no judge and jury needed to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Rice is guilty; that's simply a formality. You can whine all you want about public outrage and social media nonsense, but we've got to realize that is the society we've created and now live in whether we like it or not.
Zero tolerance is a meaningless catchphrase used by people who are too lazy to think about or evaluate an issue, Shula - you of all people should know that. After all, you can bet if she came at him with a knife or a gun, there would be tolerance (or at least I hope so). Evaluating an action within the context of the situation is something all responsible criminal and civil courts do. But maybe not in the kangaroo court of political correctness and twiiter buzzphrases? Let's just rush to enraged judgement, shall we?
And as for whether it's criminally punishable, why don't we wait for a a criminal court to decide that?
And look, I have no problem saying that what Ray Rice did was dead wrong. Charges have been laid and he will (and should) have to live with that the rest of his life. What I do have a problem with is the hysterical over-reaction, the mob mentality that chants slogans like "zero tolerance" and "what does the NFL stand for?" in their feverish desire to punish something or someone. It's the 21st century version of mob justice and if that's the society we've created, it's really just Stone Age vigilanteism with an Internet facade.