**Official 2013 Draft Prospect Discussion Thread**

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  1. footsteps_falco

    footsteps_falco Damn SugarBowl Finheaven VIP Donator

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    A&M Ryan Swope

    Every Texas A&M game i've gone back to watch Swope just makes play after play for Tannehill.... vs Arkansas, vs Oklahoma state, vs LSU, vs Northwestern.....

    If you go back and just look out for #25 Swope the kid just gets it done. He's listed as a wideout? but he reminds me of a Danny Woodhead type with a little less speed but more toughness.

    Who is the WR that wears #7? and the TE that wears #80... these guys make some pretty good catches too.

    Fuller for me is love/hate in 4 games i've watched so far. Every other throw is a comeback or a post so I feel like I haven't seen him do too much more then that. Size wise I can't believe how big he looks next to dbacks.. especially in the arkansas game. But he seems to leave Tannehill out to dry a lot, some lack of concentration maybe? or just inconsistent hands maybe? He also doesn't give 100% on every play you can tell very quickly. Seems like a ton of potential though.... but yea

    What year is Swope in? will he be declaring next year?
     
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    swope will be one of the top wrs in next years daft. bad thing is is that he is a slot guy, and we dont have a need for that right now. but the guy is a player
     
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    RT's new Swope is named Devone Bess.
     
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    i agree that 25 kept showing up in all the films/videos I saw. love to take him next year if it doesn't cost too much.
     
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    Yeah, but i think Swope will be a better pro than Bess.
     
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    looks like a guy with all heart and loads of talent.lets see how he does with a new coach and qb.perhaps he gets better or has a down year it will all depend on the new system brought in and how his role changes there at a&m
     
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    Be prepard to have Swope mocked to us in every single draft next offseason. :lol:
     
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    I'm going to make one general thread for discussion on any/all prospects for the 2013 Draft. It's a lot easier for everyone to keep up with and makes for less clutter to sift through. A lot of information on these kids tends to get lost in the abyss due to too many threads. If a thread is created in the draft forum that I feel like belongs here (i.e. "what about player X"?, etc.) I'm going to merge it so you might as well just put it here to start with.

    This will be a great thread for questions and/or discussion on the numerous draft eligible players for 2013 as we get ready for the season and throughout.
     
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    I'll start. If the Miami Dolphins can find a way to come out of the 2013 NFL Draft with DE Bjoern Werner of Florida State then I think they should do that and I *almost* don't even care what the price tag is.

    I just love the guy and further I think he's the perfect end to pair up with Cameron Wake long term. Now that they have signed Wake to a long term contract, that only encourages me toward Werner all the more. Hit offenses with pass rushers like Werner, Wake, Vernon, Starks and Odrick, and you have the basis for building the kind of 4-3 defense that can fight against some of the passing attacks we're seeing in the NFL.
     
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    Bacarri Rambo. Kevin Minter.

    Discuss.
     
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    Matt Elam. Potentially the best safety in the 2013 Draft if he came out.
     
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    Where does Matt Elam project v. where we are projected to draft.

    I know this is all a long ways away but it's always fun to speculate.

    Matt Elam is a guy who will be high on everyone's board. Rambo is a guy you can get in the second or third round.
     
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    I was under the impression Matt Elam was still under the radar...but maybe not.

    Way too far away to say who will be available where, IMO.
     
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    Elam is going to get knocked for his height (between 5'10" and 5'11") right off the bat. He doesn't have the ball hawking ability of an Earl Thomas (who was also coached by Muschamp at Texas) at that size, so he's not going to make up for it there. However, I really like Elam. He's a hard worker, a good kid, has leadership qualities, and dedicated to film study. He's a very assignment sound safety. He's got good hips, evident by how Muschamp will use him in the slot in man coverage. Basically, I have him as a 2nd rounder at this point, and the 3rd underclassman safety behind Eric Reid and Nickoe Whitley.

    Bacarri Rambo is a higher risk type of kid due to off field issues, but the ability is there. He's got 13 INT's in 3 years, and returned 3 of 'em for TD's.

    Kevin Minter is probably the best of what's been a weak linebacking unit for LSU, but he never stands out when I watch him. I think he's a mediocre prospect right now, but still has 2 years ahead of him to produce. Probably will need both.
     
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    Very possible that there could be two Florida State defensive ends in 2013 that I end up liking more than Brandon Jenkins. It's not that Jenkins is a bad player, I just question his ability to finish plays at the next level.

    Bjoern Werner is top dog there, followed by Timmy Jernigan who won't even be eligible next year, but after that I do like Cornellius Carradine. So raw, not doing the right things at all, inconsistent off the snap, gets off balance, but he looks straight from central casting for a DE and he actually moves like one, more pure athleticism and quick twitch than Bjoern Werner.
     
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    OK how about the topic I have asked about for the last three years:

    Safety?

    I see Walters top five consist of Tony Jefferson, Tyrann Mathieu, T.J McDonald, Eric Reid and Matt Elam.

    Is it me or does this class seem thin at Safety like last years class? I'd be nice if Miami realized what a pro bowl safety would do for this D.
     
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    I don't know if it's thin or what. I like Matt Elam a bunch. I think he'll surprise people with interceptions when he works on his hands a little better. He's got undisciplined hands and that gets him penalties as well as dropped interceptions, but there's an instinctive ball hawk hiding in him. I don't think there's any way to say T.J. McDonald is a BAD prospect, he's sudden and explosive, but you do need to see more from him. I like Kenny Vaccaro. I think Tyrann Mathieu probably does move to safety at the next level. Not all these guys will come out but that's not a bad start to the position.
     
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    Watched a lot of Werner last year and definitely like the guy. I'd be just fine with him. Also like Amerson a lot out of NC State (especially if they let Smith walk, and probably even if they don't). Do like a couple of the hyped up receivers like Keenan Allen. I like Marcus Lattimore too (if he bounces back from his injury), but probably wouldn't draft him unless the Dolphins were picking in the late teens - early twenties.
     
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    If you want the underrated guys then among my favorite seniors would be:

    QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah (really I just have a thirst to see more of him)
    RB Dennis Johnson, Arkansas
    WR Aaron Mellette, Elon
    DE Dion Jordan, Oregon
    DE Malliciah Goodman, Clemson
    DE Cornellius Carradine, Florida State
    DT Cory Grissom, South Florida
    LB Shayne Skov, Stanford
    LB A.J. Klein, Iowa State
    LB Jake Knott, Iowa State
    LB Sam Barrington, South Florida
    LB Kenny Tate, Maryland
    CB Kayvon Webster, South Florida
    CB Terry Hawthorne, Illinois
    SS Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse
    FS Vaughn Telemaque, Miami (FL)

    Kind of a sparing list at the moment, to tell you the truth.
     
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    When I looked at the list over at Walter the size concerned me with Tony Jefferson, Tyrann Mathieu and Matt Elam. Even if they bulk up (which they will) you cannot add height.

    I got to watch a bit of McDonald last season and he impressed but my college football watching time was hammered by travel overseas. I haven't watch nearly the amount I would like. I hope it changes this season and as of now only my September looks bad. That being said he still needs a solid second season to back up last years performance in order to stay ahead of the LSU and Bama guys, you know Reid and Lester are going to get big time opportunities playing for those D's.
     
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    I'd say wide receiver, pass rusher and safety are the biggest needs and this is shaping up to be a nice draft for those positions. I'm really high on Keenan Allen and Justin Hunter at wide receiver. What are some of the better prospects there that make it to round 2? There seems to be a lot of pass rushers and I'll have to see more of these guys live to form opinions. I love the two linebackers on Stanford Chase Thomas and Shayne Skov. I think Miami needs to rebuild it's linebacking core as Karlos Dansby, Kevin Burnett and Cam Wake are all 30+. Jackson Jeffcoat is a pass rusher I like, but I need to see all the top rated guys. I'm excited to see Jonathan Banks at corner and Eric Reid at safety - two guys that are talked about as top 10 type prospects. I expect Miami to be picking top 10 this year and hopefully taking off in 2013 or 2014.
     
  22. TedSlimmJr

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    The underclassman declaring are always the aspect that makes or breaks the strength of a particular draft. This particular group of underclassman safeties will make for an exceptionally strong safety class if the top 3 or 4 declare eligible. Reid, Whitley, Jefferson, and Elam were all outstanding as sophomores. They're on an entirely different level physically than you typically see out of sophomore safeties... specifically Nickoe Whitley.

    Reid and Whitley are both explosive tacklers, but also fundamentally sound tacklers when they need to be. As I mentioned in my underclassman thread a few months ago when I started it, I don't think I've ever seen a more violent hitter than Nickoe Whitley at safety.... and I watched Kenny Easley and Ronnie Lott in college. Whitley's ability to explode into contact with precision exceeds anything I've seen. However, what makes Whitley and Reid both special young DB's is their combination of ball skills and range to compliment their ability to be explosive hitters. Their versatility to play either safety spot sets 'em apart.

    Jefferson and Elam are more squatty safeties who overcome their lack of prototypical height for the position with instincts and football IQ. They both take proper angles to the ball and read their run/pass keys correctly instantly. Advanced fundamentally in their tackling to be so young.

    Any one of these safeties declaring early is going to add tremendous talent and skill to the safety class in addition to their upside to keep getting even better. They'll help the Senior crop that's also strong at the top with Robert Lester. There's some kids mixed in with that Senior group that I feel like are a little overrated (T.J. McDonald) but it's offset by underrated prospects like Dexter McCoil.

    It sets up to be a terrific draft for safeties, very strong. Again, the key though is the underclassman.
     
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    Tim Jernigan is going to be a 1st round pick in about 3 years although I think he'll be a 3-technique. Saban recruited him hard but we couldn't close it out as he chose to stay in his home state. He reminds me of Bryant Young when he came out of Notre Dame.

    I tried to tell you Carradine might be the best DE Florida St. has in terms of upside. He'd be starting for Ohio St. right now had he been academically eligible. The sack he had against Morgan Moses vs. Virginia was probably the best example of what he looks like when he puts it all together. I don't think there's a defensive line coach in the league that wouldn't be drooling to work with what Carradine brings naturally.
     
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    Great stuff here.

    Get this one a draft guru badge quick.
     
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    I believe you did mention Carradine being better than Bjoern Werner before. I had never taken a look at him. I can see why you like him. But nonetheless I can't rate Carradine above Werner. Strictly speaking, Jarvis Moss has more quick twitch and athleticism than J.J. Watt, and he also looks like he's straight out of central DE casting. But you'd take J.J. Watt any day of the week, twice on Sundays. I'm pretty comfortable rating Werner ahead of Carradine...by a good bit of distance.
     
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    Yes Werner is certainly better than Carradine right now, that's why Jimbo starts him and has Carradine back up at both ends. My point is that Carradine might be the best NFL prospect of the 3 in terms of raw ability and upside. He has some natural ability that the other two just don't have.

    Carradine can be as good as any of 'em after receiving the coaching was my point. It was simply an observation I had while watching FSU rotate defensive lineman.
     
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    Best game I saw Carradine put together was Florida...really, really impressive game for him. Either way, I really think you were right as far as putting Cornellius Carradine above Brandon Jenkins.
     
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    [video=youtube;09U3Mn3P6eU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=09U3Mn3P6eU[/video]

    Yes i have a big man crush on the boy, hope we get a chance to pick him in 2013.......i know he's a big hitter but what else have you boy's got for me.
     
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    For a long time I've liked Shayne Skov above Te'o. This may be assuming a lot with respect to Skov's injury and how well he's coming back from it, but I still do.
     
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    I had a look at some highlights of Skov, and we should take both.................:up:
     
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    This could be an excellent draft for Miami to really tackle their problem areas. Best case scenario, at least from this far out, might be to get a good wr in free agency and then concentrate on pass rushers and rebuilding the linebacking corps. I know you probably don't want to stick a round on a prospect this early, but where about would Shayne Skov and Chase Thomas project? I like Thomas a lot. I think he has pass rush ability and versatility. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of Karlos Dansby. He is a good player, but he really turned me off by coming into the season overweight last year. With his contract and supposed leadership status that should not happen.
     
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    I think Karlos Dansby is about to play at a pretty high level for a while. The problem is we're paying for it. He's making a lot of damn money. But, those are the breaks I guess. I don't think we're going to be discussing ditching Karlos in a year, even with his big price tag.

    And yeah, I thought it was total BS how he showed up 25+ lbs overweight a year ago and still collected the leadership award. I agree with you. But that's in the past. If he doesn't do it again, I'm fine.

    I agree this Draft seems like one we can use to address problem areas but one problem area I think still needs addressing despite the 3rd round pick in Olivier Vernon is defensive end, and next year's class should be a banner year for that position. They really need to partake in that class and work on getting BIG, MEATY and EXPLOSIVE defensive ends that they can put on the field in any situation and beat people one-on-one.

    I'm a big fan of Bjoern Werner, but I also love guys like James Gayle, Dion Jordan, Cornellius Carradine and Malliciah Goodman. Get one. Maybe get two. With the kind of defense the Dolphins are running, they need to revamp the unit and fill it with the type of 6'4" to 6'5" and 255-275 lbs guys that you see on the Giants. There will still be plenty of room for Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon.

    Aside from that obviously they also need an influx of wide receiver talent. They may decide to address that issue in free agency with someone like Dwayne Bowe, but also maybe not.
     
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    Another guy who might fit that is Jeffcoat. I believe he's in the 6-4/6-5 250 range. Yeah, I'd be real excited if the Dolphins added two quality DE's early. The defense would have a chance to be special and we all know the only way to slow down Tom Brady and the Patriots is constant pressure coming from everywhere. I hope you are right about Dansby. On the field he is a good football player and I'd love to see him at his best this year and in the future. I'll be tuning in to see Werner.
     
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    I hope Vernon shows well this year...but I agree on adding another DE or two. I would be looking for an impact DE in the 1st or 2nd, and then maybe another in the 4th or so. Count me on the Mingo bandwagon at this point. Obviously this next year will tell a lot, but Mingo is just electric. He doesn't have ideal strength yet, but he can work on that. He could easily be a 3rd down rusher to start, which would allow someone like Vernon to slide inside on 3rd down where he and Odrick could create a pretty impressive interior rush IMO..along with Starks in the rotation if he is still around. We could also be in the market for a starting CB depending on how Smith plays this year and what kind of money he wants.
     
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    I dislike Jeffcoat. He's just not very effective right now.
     
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    I just don't know if from a structure standpoint having Mingo and Wake as the bookends is how I want to organize things. That's like having Mathis and Freeney and while they rushed the hell out of the passer, that was a very specialized defense and I'm not sure Kevin Coyle will be running something that could sustain having those two as the bookends.

    I'd rather start populating the DL with some big, lengthy and explosive pass rushers...guys like I just named, Dion Jordan, Bjoern Werner, Cornellius Carradine, James Gayle, maybe Malliciah Goodman.
     
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    I can only hope that this scenario transpires comes next winter and spring. This safety quagmire that Miami seems to be tangled in needs to be fixed. I guess I don't have high hopes for both safety positions this season given the roster and talent level. Jones and Clemons have their shortcomings and the rest of the safeties on the roster....well what can I say, they are lease than inspiring barring some colossal break through.

    So with that said I would be happy as a pig in **** if Miami used a higher round pick next offseason on a high potential safety. So let me ask who off those lists are earmarked for round 1, 2 etc...my travel plans seem to be changing as I type so now my November is likely to be shot but at least I get to see College and the NFL seasons kick off. I'll take it!
     
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    I would be thrilled with some of those guys you mentioned. I just see rare explosion out of Mingo. I agree it would be a little light in the pants as bookends...but that could be an elite pass rush. And the Colts never had a DT worth anything, Big Paul, Starks, Odrick, and a solid LB core could ease the weakness as far as being ran all over. Also, do you think Mingo could play a similar role to how Von Miller played this year? He seems like he is fluid enough to play some OLB yet still rush the passer and drop down to DE on 3rd down, etc.

    Don't get me wrong though, if we walk away with a guy like Gayle or Werner I will not be upset at all.
     
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    I like Mingo as well, especially considering that Wake isn't a young pup. Mingo is probably the best pure pass rusher in this draft. Saying that, I definitely understand why CK loves Werner. I've checked out his highlights and he has a nice first step and is a bigger guy who can defend the run. I need to see him live to get more of a feel.
     
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    I liked the video highlights you posted of Whitley. He is definitely someone I will watch closely this coming season. Do you see him right now as a 1st rounder?
     

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