People forget that the Pats and Jets...

[Jersey DolFan]

have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.

 

[Jimi]

I tend to agree, but its a tough sell to the fans after some of the garbage we witnessed this year. I happen to think that Henning may be so inept that most of the problems might be directly his fault. My idea situation would not be to gut the FO just fire Henning tomorrow. If Sparanos not here next year though, im not losin any sleep.

 

[JB1089]

The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

 

[erasmus]

This is what? The fifth year of a three year rebuilding plan? Everyone on this site has been talking about rebuilding through the draft, and doing it "right". Does not see to be working out too well to me.

 

[Dmarino110]

have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.

You know what, it seems like we have been rebuilding every year since 2000...you know what the difference between now and the last time we werent rebuilding? A FRANCHISE FRIGGEN QB. A QB WE DRAFTED IN THE 1ST ROUND.

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

This isnt about expectations, its about a lack of progress. 2008 was a mirage and many could see that. Record low turnovers, completely healthy, ridiculous schedule. I even overlooked the cutesy Pat White reach becasue most of the rest of that draft appeared solid. Last year most of us expected the team to be better, but the record wouldnt reflect that, and it didnt. Despite the losing record, we had a ton of building blocking including a potential QB.

This year is a joke. I think that the staff went into conservative "time to save our jobs" mode the second Parcells walked out. Playcalling has been laughable, Henne was handcuffed, Sparano and co all too eager to settle for FGs. I havent even gotten to the special teams debacles. Henning should have been canned long ago and wasnt, same with Bonamego. This FO is far to loyal to their friends, who arent getting it done. They're looking over their shoulders, coaching scared. Its Wannstedt and Spielman all over again.

 

[sleeps w/fishes]

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done.

Sparano reminds me of Mangini, besides just being fat and Italian. Both were good guys to bring in to "change the culture," but I don't think either is a "next level" guy. Sparano will get the team to play hard, but I think another year of him at the helm will be another year of spinning wheels.

And as has been mentioned, the real key is getting a QB. Is Henne that guy under another OC? It's frustrating, because he might be. If Sparano and Henne is the team next year, figure that they only have that one year to prove they can be the team going forward. No way can they drag out the experiment another year.

Meanwhile the Pats still have Brady and Beli, and the Jets look to be on the right track with Rex & Sanchez.

 

[DolfanISS]

The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

You are so right! I live in New England and I have to say it’s truly remarkable what the Patriots do year in and year out and of course for a Fins fan it’s frustrating. This is probably why sometimes I’m such a negative nelly on here, this is probably where I take out my of my football frustration. The Patriots traded away their 2nd best offensive player, have the 29th or 30th ranked pass defense in the NFL. They have RB’s who really aren’t that talented, one of which wasn’t good enough to make the Jets. There WR’s are made up of a guy coming off an ACL tear and another guy they just should have paid 6 years ago and their deep threat is pretty much non-existent most of the time. Seriously I keep my happy face on when talking to Pats fans about football, “nice win by the Pats Sunday” but inside it kills me. If I hear another Pats fan bragging to me about Danny Woodhead I’m probably going to lose it. To rub salt in your wounds Belechick takes your re-treads then kicks your *** with them. I’m telling you right now Ronnie Brown to New England will be an absolute disaster for us if it happens, just wait. Tom Brady and bill Belechick just keep churning out wins regardless of who they put on the field. It’s unbelievable.

Here are some other reasons why I think they do this, Brady of course, like you said, is the biggest. Continuity on the O-line, we have almost none, in 3 seasons we’ve had 3 G-C-G combos that sucks. New Englands has been the same with minor exceptions and any guy they’ve inserted had pretty much been developed by them. Even now their RT, Nick Kaczur, is out for the season so Vollmer plays RT I think he is Matt Lights heir apparent so they already are developing their future LT. There TE’s are all specialists. This is a very important position to BB and it’s so unimportant to us we came into the season with one known commodity and all crap after that. You have the all around in Gronk, the pass catcher in Hernandez and the blocker in Crumpler. They also have either Faulk, who got hurt, and now the greatest player to ever show up in Foxboro in Woodhead to create mismatches in the passing game as well. You see the Patriots don’t do the crap we do like, we’re a power running team and that’s that, we will play to our strengths and that’s it. No instead they identify weaknesses and mismatches and attack them. It’s smart football. Trying to force your philosophy on a your team is crap, your game plan should be all about the other team and NE’s always is. Look how they always play Pittsburgh, do they run into the brick wall? No, they spread them out and beat them with short quick passes then mix in the run and Pittsburgh couldn’t stop that either.

OK enough about NE. I’ll tell you (blasphemy) I’d rather see the Jets win the AFC East then the Patriots again. I just can’t take it anymore.

 

[datruth55]

have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

Not entirely true. Pats have traded for players for years, especially at the WR position where they have struck out in the draft more often than not. Brandon Tate is their first productive draft pick at the WR position in years and they really only use him as a return guy. Welker was traded for, Moss was traded for (and then traded away), Branch they traded back for (from Seattle after trading him there)...Gaffney when he was there was a free agent pickup, Stallworth the same...look at their roster...Sammy Morris FA pickup, Ben Green-Ellis UDFA, Quinn Olinnaka FA pickup, Alge Crumpler FA pickup, Wes Welker traded for, Deion Branch traded for, Kyle Arrington FA pickup, Gerard Warren FA pickup, Mike Wright UDFA, Rob Ninkovich FA pickup...that's 10 of their starting 22 that were traded for, signed as free agents or were undrafted free agents. The Pats are very good at recognizing talent that fits their scheme, they take other peoples cast-offs and turn them into productive players. We haven't been able to do that because our coaching isn't as good.

The Jets have done a lot of the same things except they trade for much higher profile players or sign them in free agency...guys like Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott, Damien Woody, Kris Jenkins, Trevor Pryce, Calvin Pace, Brodney Pool, Jim Leonhard...that's 9 of their starting 22. And of course they traded up to get Sanchez too. Jets are much more aggressive then we are.

By comparison we have 8 of our 22 who were free agent pickups or traded for (if you count Berger even though he started out with us originally) and the only high profile ones would be Dansby and Marshall. Dolphins have focused mainly on the draft where the Pats and Jets will aggressively look anywhere to fill needs and IMO we're not in a position to do that right now. The foundation of the Dolphins is built through the draft while the foundation of the Pats and Jets are mainly from free agents and trades.

 

[nyjunc]

The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

The Jets were not mediocre for years, we had a couple of down seasons w/ QB injuries but we have been one of the better AFC teams since BP took over in '97 and we got better after he left. BP left the organization after the 2000 season:

since 2001 playoff apps:

Indy: 8
NE: 7
Pitt: 6
NYJ: 5
Bal: 5
SD: 5
Ten: 4
Den: 3
Mia: 2
oak: 2
Cin: 2
Jax: 2
KC: 2
Cle: 1
Buf: 0
Hou: 0



Only 3 AFC teams have more playoff apps since 2001.

 

[datruth55]

This is what? The fifth year of a three year rebuilding plan? Everyone on this site has been talking about rebuilding through the draft, and doing it "right". Does not see to be working out too well to me.

It's not working out well for you because you have no patience. Rookies take time to develop. It's rare to have rookies make a huge impact in their first season unless everyone around them is doing their part. Jake Long made an impact from the start but his position isn't flashy and doesn't directly put points on the board. It's normally 3 years before a player really starts to show what they have. Unfortunately since our roster was so crappy and basically devoid of real veteran leadership and playmakers the rookies had no support system to help them develop and cover up their mistakes/weaknesses.

 

[Valandui]

I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

 

[DolfanISS]

i'm sorry, did i miss where sanchez is all of the sudden a good qb? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in trent dilfer territory.

denial!

 

[datruth55]

I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

He's not elite by any means and I still consider his accuracy marginal completing just over 50% of his passes but what he does well is throw the ball down field and the Jets are smart enough to take advantage of that fact. Funny what an OC who designs plays to his players strength can do for an offense.

 

[nyjunc]

I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

Clearly you have missed, he is not only good he is playing like one of the best in the league.

He's not elite by any means and I still consider his accuracy marginal completing just over 50% of his passes but what he does well is throw the ball down field and the Jets are smart enough to take advantage of that fact. Funny what an OC who designs plays to his players strength can do for an offense.

A low comp % does not mean a QB has accuracy issues. He throws the ball down the field alot and those passes are completed less often than the Henne dump offs. mark is a vety accurate passer, did you see that 40+ yd pass to Edwards down the sideline to set up the GW TD? You will never see a better, more accurate thrown ball.