Post Game Thoughts - @Carolina

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  1. J. David Wannyheimer

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    - Game not as close as the score. And the score was not close. Carolina's wide open receivers dropped a lot of footballs.

    - Bright spot: Kenyan Drake.

    - Defense has no fight in it. They quit in the second half. Sad!

    - Does nobody on Miami's sideline or on the defense have the presence of mind to call a timeout when it's obvious that our defense is confused by the last second formation change and motion from the Panthers offense? Not surprisingly, it's a touchdown.

    - Mike Shula, Dave Shula, whichever Shula kid it is, made an absolute FOOL out of Matt Burke tonight. Just absolutely bebopped and skeedaddled all over him.

    - Miami leads the league in getting blown out in primetime games.

    - Dan Marino crying in the skybox. Yeah, I don't blame you, Dan.

    - I was hopeful that when the Dolphins offense finally started scoring some points, the team would improve. However, I wasn't counting on the Dolphins defense completely and utterly imploding with one of the worst performances I have ever seen in my life.

    Stick a fork in 'em. They're done.
     
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    The offense against that defense played well, if it wasn’t for Cutlers terrible interception the game may have been different.

    The defense got figured out, like last year you gotta attack the LBs in space and Kiko got absolutely abused tonight. Terrible contract.

    Kenyan Drake needs the ball a helluva lot more starting against TB.
     
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    On the bright side, the team is rocking that Blowout Chain again
     
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    Bright spot: I fell asleep and missed half of the 3rd quarter.
     
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    Yep. I fell asleep at halftime and woke up with 6 min left in 3rd as well. From 7-10 to 7-31 ....what the **** happened???

    By the way - was Dan really crying in his press box? What was that comment about?
     
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    They showed Marino up in his skybox and he appeared to be crying. That was after Carolina scored to go up by like 21 or 24 points or 30 points or whatever it was at that point.
     
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    The strength of the D was supposed to be the line, it's definitely not. They don't get any consistent pass rush and they get gashed on running plays a lot, especially the last 3 weeks. The LBs are led by 2 has beens and a guy who can't play the run or the pass well in Kiko. The secondary has 2 good safeties and 2 corners who make 0 impact plays. Is there any wonder why they suck? They will sink towards the bottom of the league in all meaningful statistics as the year wears on.

    The offense is lost, inconsistent line play, below average QB play wit poor ball security, and a game plan that never has any rhythm. It sucks to lose your starting QB right before the season which definitely set this whole unit back a month IMO, but those are the breaks. This is just a mediocre team on their best day, and a bad team in most weeks, especially prime time! Amazing how we never seem to build on our success of last year and just continue to take 2 steps back for every one forward.
     
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    I wish I were that fortunate. I dozed off around the time **** hit the fan. Just lost interest.
     
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    I agree with you. Cutler INT was rough but let's be honest. They did put up 21 points on the number 1 defense that is giving up 17 points a game. They also put up 313 yards of total offense on a defense giving up 274 yards per game. When you consider how god awful the defense was and allowed the Panthers to own the time of possession 24 minutes to 35 minutes. It really wasn't too bad of a performance by the offense.

    Then again reading through the game thread all I see is Cutler sucks...get rid of Stinkler....who threw for 2 TD and 1 INT against the best defense in football. While playing behind an O-line that cant block to save its life. Add in that the running game had 2 good runs. 1 for 66 yards and an 11 yard run. Then they promptly gained 23 yards on the other 14 rush attempts. Which is pitifully bad but I blame the O-line. That's squarely where the blame for this offenses struggles belong. Not only do they suck at blocking but they seem to be attempting to set a record with penalties. Most of which seem to negate 1st downs and big plays.
     
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    My opinion -
    This was expected.
    Cutler throws a really bad pic and the D gave up.
    We can't defend any misdirection or tackle a single cutback. On the other side of the ball we don't seem to call any misdirection. It just miffs me why not.
    The 4th down play call was horrendous.
    We have a serious hole on our team and thats a lack of heart.
    Need to make some leadership changes starting with pouncey.
    Can't wait to see Tannehill back. We won't win until he is back and only if he has the leadership that he began to show last season.
     
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    The OL played acceptably tonight considering the injury situation and that it was against Carolina. They have been OK. Not great, but not a dumpster fire.

    Cutler was not so hot. I don't care what his stat line was, Cutler threw a dreadful interception that sucked the life out of the football team and missed wide open receivers multiple times. I mean, country mile open Kenny Stills for a first down and Cutler, in a decent pocket, gets happy feet and air mails the damn thing. That's why people were screaming that Cutler sucks. Yes, he had some good plays, but he left a lot on the field and the interception was a back-breaker.

    Earlier in the season, I strongly defended Cutler and pointed out that there were dropped footballs and missed blitz pickups, among other things, that were hurting the offense much more than he was. Tonight, I don't know that anything except for Damien Williams getting handoffs hurt the offense as much as Jay throwing air mail.
     
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    Trade Suh, Howard, Thomas, Gase, and Tunsil to Cleveland for a #1 pick
     
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    Very concerning to see the defense give up completely like they did. That goes beyond schemes and talent, it speaks of a deeper issue.
     
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    Sucked the life out of the team LMAO...

    Panthers possessions

    FG
    TD
    PUNT
    TD
    TD
    TD
    TD
    TD
    KNEEL to end game

    Yeah, clearly the Cutler INT killed the momentum and the defense started to struggle from that point on. Spare me, the Dolphins defense was struggling from the start of the game. The fact that the Dolphins have come from behind a couple of times already this year, should tell anyone not to give up on the Dolphins offense. That's fine though, blame it all on a bad INT. No way the defense is just bad and is bad because they are bad. Nope, its clearly that they had the life sucked out of them.

    The Panthers were averaging 18 points a ****ing game this year.

    Not sure if you were watching but they got lit up for 45 points and allowed a QB who had thrown 10 TD and 11 INT to come in and eat them alive. Hmm, no your right, the Dolphins defense that had already given up a FG and TD to start the game was demoralized by Cutler INT and that cost this team the game. The same way it costed them against the Jets when....oh wait the Dolphins overcame a horrible INT from Moore and came back. The same defense that gave up when Atlanta was up big on them....yeah now that I think about it. It's probably that undeniably bad INT Cutler threw. Without that pass, who knows...Miami probably wins right?
     
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    Has Solo D written a jam about the Blowout Chain yet?
     
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    Gase won't have a job soon. The team was extremely lucky to win the games they did last year and up against a weak schedule. This years schedule is anything but weak and the Dolphins are killing themselves on both sides of the ball far too often. The coaching as you suggest is a huge problem, as is the front office. This teams roster is not very good. Carolina has a stud filled roster and that was very apparent this evening.
     
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    Unfortunately Gase will be coach through at least the 2018 season though...so when I say soon, I'm talking about the kinda soon for a young HC that took his team to the playoffs last year. His clock is ticking very quickly right now. His only savior will be RT coming back and carrying this team to the playoffs next year. Unlikely but if that doesn't pan out, Gase should be shown the door. Which won't matter if the GM stays puts.
     
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    Was at the game and would like to add some notes.

    1) Jesse Davis looked good and showed promise

    2) Carolina lined up in press with One deep safety in centerfield ALL NIGHT and Miami didn’t try a deep ball to parker or stills once in iso coverage. Baffles my mind.
     
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    We're really gonna give Cutler credit for his stat line? We scored 14 of our 21 points in garbage time.
     
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    That's kinda how it works yeah, if he had thrown a 2nd INT at any point you would have talked **** about it. So why does it not count that his stat line was pretty respectable against the number 1 defense in all of football?

    Did it not occur to you that the Panthers were averaging 18 points a game and just lit up the Dolphins defense like an XMAS tree for 45 ****ing points? Maybe if the Dolphins defense kept it under 30 and helped a little with the time of possession this game wouldn't have had a "garbage time"
     
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    Cutler missed a lot of easy throws tonight and he was well protected. I can't give him a pass. And the last TD was garbage time.
     
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    All of the overpaid "veterans" are here for a singular purpose.

    There is not a one of them that I care is back on the roster next year, including our overrated safeties.

    But we can't replace them all, can we.
     
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    I don't see a lot of studs on Carolina. The Funchness monster is their best WR - we have 3 better than him. They have a skinny, shifty little rookie guy that looked good against us but cmon. Studs on D yes. On O, no.
     
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    We can say what want about the defense- and its fair that they get criticized after the last two weeks, but this offense is horrific.

    The defense will give up basically when they realize they have no chance offensively ala Denver.

    Unfortunately were not exaclty set up for next year cap
    Or draft wise. Shout out to Drake Parker and Landry for effort tonight.
     
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    Jones is a heck of a player. He can come back.
     
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    I can't tell if Kiko just has a low football IQ or simply isn't putting in the work off the field but he was lost all night long. Teams are simply isolating him and forcing him to make open field tackles and he is getting exposed left and right. Constantly making bad reads and out of position. Kiko to me, is the reason this defense struggled tonight.
     
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    There's that old saying that you're never as good as your best game and never as bad as your worst. The problem is it's hard to determine what game has been the worst. This team has been dominated by the Saints, the Jets, and Carolina.

    It looks like a major rebuild on both sides of the ball with questions everywhere on offense on defense and the coaching staff.

    It's actually hard to believe this was a close game in the final minutes of the first half. That interception by Cutler was a huge momentum swing, but the Miami defense was just atrocious in the second half. The second half was honestly one of the worst 30 minutes of football I've seen from the Dolphins in a long time.

    Questions Moving Forward:

    * Where does the rebuild begin? I've thought all year that fixing the offensive line would make this team a contender. That would definitely help. I mean one rushing touchdown the whole season and ineptness on short yardage has held this team back. But what about the defense?

    * Is X. Howard the answer at corner? Tankersley has looked good, but Howard always seems to be out of position or not award of where the ball is. What are the opinions on him? I haven't seen all the games.

    * Where is the pass rush? There is rarely pressure on the quarterback even with blitzing. This looks like a huge weakness.

    * What do you do with veteran players? I guess the bigger question is whether Miami can put the pieces together quickly or do you start trading vets for more of a major rebuild?

    * Drake and Williams looked good today for the most part, but I still think running back is a need.

    * Is Gase the guy and what about his assistants? I think Gase has mostly overachieved with this group. But when he came out through the media talking about how players didn't know the plays that was a real eye opener. I don't know if that sent the right message. Doesn't seem like the team has played as hard since, or maybe it's just a severe lack of talent.

    I'm definitely a disappointed fan.
     
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    Gase is done. The shock from the Ajayi trade kicked this team in the pants and it resulted in them playing hard for one game...in which they lose. Now reality sets in, and now the team is without their former best player and QB'd by a guy who was never good and whose performance tendencies are those of a guy with ten years less experience. The defense quit. They don't care anymore, and I don't think they should either.
     
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    Tannehill completely changes this offense. His ability to throw the deep ball forces teams to play more than 1 deep safety all year long. Cutler can't hit the broad side of a barn. I don't know why he feels the need to throw off his back foot every play but he was missing throws all night long that Ryan would have connected on. This season fell apart right along with Tannehill's ACL.
     
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    That qb tape was horrid

    Out of his first 10 throws 8 were dog ****

    Dog ****

    His best throw was a stop route to stills on a 3rd down.

    He had about 5 quality throws and left a ton of plays on the field.

    Lead Landry into a damn hit he’s damn lucky he didnt break ribs on threw Julius Thomas on a open 6 into the damn boundary. He threw him into the damn sideline

    It’s trash qb play and it’s the worst unit on the team
     
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    He did miss a couple of throws and toss a bad INT. He also connected on 22 of 37 60% for 2 TD, 1 INT and threw for 213 yards against the number 1 defense in football. Not a great game but considering how the defense got steamrolled, the O-line wasn't very good, the running game broke 1 big run and was pretty much non existent the rest of the game, it wasn't half bad.

    Now a QB who shouldn't have got a pass was the 1 on the other team tonight. He had thrown for 10 TD and 11 INT coming into this game but his stacked team was 6-3 with very little help from him. Then he got the gift of going against an awful Miami defense that got simply eaten alive by the Panthers. Thankfully for Cam, he gets a lot of passes because he is surrounded by stellar talent and good coaching.

    I'm probably crazy for believing this but football is the ultimate team sport. Miami team blows and Carolina does not. With Matt Moore at the helm this year, the team probably doesn't have the 4 wins it has now. I know, RT would have thrown much better tonight though, since he likes to hang in that and hold onto the ball a lot longer than Cutler does. Good call against the league leading defense in sacks, I'm sure RT lack of pocket presence would have provided great results tonight.
     
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    Who cares what his stat line is, he didn't play that well when the game actually mattered and he is still playing terrible fundamental football.

    There's a reason why guys like Jay Cutler have a career losing record. They are bad football players.
     
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    I'm not putting the loss on Jay. We were bad everywhere tonight.
     
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    He’s horrific is what he is

    This season can’t end soon enough

    That tapes a joke
     
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    Sadly, you may be 100% accurate on all of this.
     
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    The O-line was fine tonight, certainly improved over the last couple of games.
     
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    yeah i know. all i heard for 5 years is what **** the O line was and thats whats holding ryan back but now cutler is responsible for the **** offense? we have the worst o line in the league. the worst.
     

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