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Robertson, Vilma two big reasons why Jets’ switch to 3-4

IMO the jets seem like they can be a good team the only two question marks which cannot be answered now is Mangini, and their QB.
 
FinFrenzy said:
IMO the jets seem like they can be a good team the only two question marks which cannot be answered now is Mangini, and their QB.

And RB.

3... three questions.

Oh and offensive and defensive coordinators.

5... five questions.

And pass rushing...

BZ
 
BwanaZulia said:
And RB.

3... three questions.

Oh and offensive and defensive coordinators.

5... five questions.

And pass rushing...

BZ

Let's see how many people get the Monty Python reference. Good one.
 
BwanaZulia said:
And RB.

3... three questions.

Oh and offensive and defensive coordinators.

5... five questions.

And pass rushing...

BZ


IMHO you have depth in your RB's to run a 2 back system, not one of them alone will rush for over 1200 yds but a combination maybe. I think your offensive line will help your RB's. Pass rushing will be a problem if you switch to a 34 this year I think your coach will be tempted, but will ultimately stay with a 43 until he has the right players. The main question is QB, pennington is definately not the answer he would be a great backup for any team. You can count on him for a couple of games. Ramsey, I really think spurrier might have ruined, but we'll see. IMO it's up to your rookie, the following year ofcourse.
 
ganooch said:
herm was not a good coach. He was good with the "rah rah" bullsh*t but when it came down to game time he was not very good at all. One case in point is the playoff game against Pittsburgh in 05.

You mean when he missed those 2 FGs? The reason we lost in Pitt is b/c our Kicker missed not one but TWO makeable FGs.
 
nyjunc said:
You mean when he missed those 2 FGs? The reason we lost in Pitt is b/c our Kicker missed not one but TWO makeable FGs.

Welcome to the world of rational NFL fans. Didn't you know that when Mare missed a FG and had another blocked a few years back against the Patriots, that was Wanny's fault. Everybody knows that.

That game is a classic example of how myopic fans can be. Miami outplayed the Pats all game. They get in position to win it (twice), and don't get the breaks because both kicks are on the infield dirt.

At the end of regulation, NE has the ball with just under 2 minutes to play (after blocking a FG). The all powerful Tom Brady and all knowing Bill Belichick manage to run a total of 4 plays before running out of time in the game. They looked totally inept. In OT Miami marches down the field and Mare misses short kick off of the dirt. One missed tackle a few minutes later and the Pats win. Somehow though BB is the genius after the game and the loss is all Wanny's fault.

BTW, the Fins finish 10-6 and are the first team to miss the playoffs at 10-6 in something like 20 years. I'm forced to listen to Bills, Jets, Pats, AND DOLPHINS fans talk smack about how the Fins haven't been to the playoffs since 2001.
 
BTW, the Fins finish 10-6 and are the first team to miss the playoffs at 10-6 in something like 20 years. I'm forced to listen to Bills, Jets, Pats, AND DOLPHINS fans talk smack about how the Fins haven't been to the playoffs since 2001.

Actually that was 2002 and Miami finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs. They finished 10-6 the next year and missed BUt at 8-6 they were out of the playoffs so the last 2 wins were meaningless.

And it hadn't been 20 years it has been 12 years(SF AND Philly msised w/ 10-6 records in '91) BUT it's easier for that to happen now(and in '03) /c of the new playoff format where there are only 2 WC's instead of 3. It hadn't been done since 1991 prior to '03 but since '03 it's been done twice(last yr KC was 10-6).
 
nyjunc said:
Actually that was 2002 and Miami finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs. They finished 10-6 the next year and missed BUt at 8-6 they were out of the playoffs so the last 2 wins were meaningless.


Meaningless to the fins or the team we kept out of the playoffs by beathing them? :wink:
 
nyjunc said:
Actually that was 2002 and Miami finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs. They finished 10-6 the next year and missed BUt at 8-6 they were out of the playoffs so the last 2 wins were meaningless.

You are confusing the game I'm talking about with the game at the end of the 2002 season. The final game of 2002 was a loss to the Pats but that was the game where the Fins blew a 10 point lead in the last 4 minutes. The game where Mare missed the FG was 2003.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2003-07-ne-mia

The point was that if Mare makes the kick, the last two games are not meaningless. Miami would have finished 11-5. Also, the game against Buffalo was not meaningless. Miami was 8-6 and Denver was 9-5 at the time. Miami played Buffalo in the early game and Denver Played Indy at night. If Denver losses at Indy, they would have been tied going into the last week of the season. Also, no win against the Jets and Bills are meaningless.


nyjunc said:
And it hadn't been 20 years it has been 12 years(SF AND Philly msised w/ 10-6 records in '91) BUT it's easier for that to happen now(and in '03) /c of the new playoff format where there are only 2 WC's instead of 3. It hadn't been done since 1991 prior to '03 but since '03 it's been done twice(last yr KC was 10-6).

Either way, 10-6 usually gets you in the playoffs (refer to the Jets in 2001, 2002, and 2004). Hell, the Jets have only made the playoffs with a record better than 10-6 once in the last 20 years and 5 times in their entire history.
 
FinFrenzy said:
Meaningless to the fins or the team we kept out of the playoffs by beathing them? :wink:

We beat the Bills and Jets who (not surprisingly) were already out of the playoff hunt.
 
FinFrenzy said:
Meaningless to the fins or the team we kept out of the playoffs by beathing them? :wink:

you beat the 6-10 Bills and 6-10 Jets, you didn't keep either out.

You are confusing the game I'm talking about with the game at the end of the 2002 season. The final game of 2002 was a loss to the Pats but that was the game where the Fins blew a 10 point lead in the last 4 minutes. The game where Mare missed the FG was 2003.

That game was in october, you had plenty of time to make up for that loss.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
We beat the Bills and Jets who (not surprisingly) were already out of the playoff hunt.

Only 3 times since '97 have we been out of the playoff race in Week 17 so why was that "not surprisingly"?
 
nyjunc said:
That game was in october, you had plenty of time to make up for that loss.

What does that have to do with anything? You still were talking about the wrong game and you were wrong about the week 16 game being meaningless.

You are one of the people who most often criticizes the Fins for missing the playoffs in recent seasons. The Jets have merely been more fortunate recently. Take away their playoff appearances at 10-6 and 9-7 and you don't have much left.
 
nyjunc said:
Only 3 times since '97 have we been out of the playoff race in Week 17 so why was that "not surprisingly"?

Because my memory goes back farther than that.
 
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