Sanchez-Henne-Fitz Watch

[The New Guy]

Take away the garbage time TD and Miami scored 17 while the Jets O scored 20- 20 is more than 17, right? Our offense was more efficient scoring points and keeping us in the game while our D was getting torched. Late in the game the D and STs made the big plays unlike last year when it was the QB making all the big plays in our comebacks. We have a really good TEAM.

How can you count the last field goal as point scored by your offense? They moved the ball 2 yards after the turnover forcing a 50 yarder. The Jets O did not score a TD until it was 10-0. The second score came (field goal) when it was 17-7. The last TD came when it was 24-14 and most of Dallas' secondary was not on the field. All of the scores came when they were down by 10 or more.

The Dolphins O scored (TD) on the first drive of the game. The second came (TD) when it was 14-7. The 3rd came (FG from the NE 2) when it was 21-14. All 3 were when they were only down 7. The last score did come in garbage time, but before that the O did move the ball to have a shot from the NE 1 which would have made it a 1 score game. They just had a horrible play call.

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

In NYJUNC's world.

QBR: 91.2 = Great

QBR: 17.6 = OK

QBR: 70.7 = OK

OK...

17.6 is garbage... Not OK, and definitely not comparable to Henne's 70.7. (also considering the yardage Henne put up compared to Sanchez)

Henne is great. Sanchez sucks. I'll take the win if it means Sanchez sucks.

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

yeah really, fitz and henne clearly had MUCH better games. sanchez fumbled and threw a pick both at very key times in the game. If it was not for a blocked punt and your defense's ability to have 2 goal line stands, Everyone would be talking about how bad Sanchez did.

IF....If Cromartie intercepts that simultaneous catch. Big if, isn't it? The D didn't play to its potential, albeit the turnovers. The offense didn't play to its potential, albeit the late comeback. What if Henne won the game? He didn't.

There are too many 'ifs' in football, thats why u go with that happened, not what might have happened.

 

[nyjunc]

How can you count the last field goal as point scored by your offense? They moved the ball 2 yards after the turnover forcing a 50 yarder. The Jets O did not score a TD until it was 10-0. The second score came (field goal) when it was 17-7. The last TD came when it was 24-14 and most of Dallas' secondary was not on the field. All of the scores came when they were down by 10 or more.

The Dolphins O scored (TD) on the first drive of the game. The second came (TD) when it was 14-7. The 3rd came (FG) when it was 21-14. All 3 were when they were only down 7. The last score did come in garbage time, but before that the O did move the ball to have a shot from the NE 1 which would have made it a 1 score game. They just had a horrible play call.

Those 3 extra yds could have made the difference? They were pts scored by the O regardless of the circumstances.

Again, those scores ketp them in the game and allowed a few mistakes by Dallas to turn the game.

That's great that they scored when the game was close early but when down later in the game they couldn't score and they went down 21 pts before scoring a garbage time TD.

It's as if "garbage time" against the Pats is so automatic. Back in December Sanchez and crew eked out a FG in the 2nd qtr and did **** in "garbage time" afterwards as the Pats were rolling to a 45-3 victory. The following week, Cutler and the eventual divisional champion Bears scored 1 TD in the 3rd quarter on the way to a 36-7 drubbing... and that was in Chicago!

The point is, Belicheat doesn't let up on the throttle when he wants to make a point - and that includes a defense that's more stalwart than some give it credit for. Unlike that Dec 6th game vs the jest and Sanchez, Henne earned that TD... and against what seems to be an upgrade NE D

So you are saying he didn't want to make a point? how did that point look whn the jets and Pats played in postseason?

dallas defence isnt way better than the pats WOW some people .........

dallas now has a Ryan running their D, they have the best pass rusher in the game, they completely shut down our run game and harrassed our QB all night. I'd rather face this NE D any day than what we saw the other night against Dallas. The last time mark faced a NE D he threw 3 TDs and helped us beat NE fairly easily on the road in the div rd of the playoffs.

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IF....If Cromartie intercepts that simultaneous catch. Big if, isn't it? The D didn't play to its potential, albeit the turnovers. The offense didn't play to its potential, albeit the late comeback. What if Henne won the game? He didn't.

There are too many 'ifs' in football, thats why u go with that happened, not what might have happened.

They love the if's, like the dropped INt stats and what should have happened if not for bad calls, etc...

 

[Vaark]

IF....If Cromartie intercepts that simultaneous catch. Big if, isn't it? The D didn't play to its potential, albeit the turnovers. The offense didn't play to its potential, albeit the late comeback. What if Henne won the game? He didn't.

There are too many 'ifs' in football, thats why u go with that happened, not what might have happened.

How did Dallas not play to their potential? They wee a 6-10 team last season. Actually both Dallas and NE played up or down to their reasonable potential.. .

 

[Vaark]

Those 3 extra yds could have made the difference? They were pts scored by the O regardless of the circumstances.

Again, those scores ketp them in the game and allowed a few mistakes by Dallas to turn the game.

That's great that they scored when the game was close early but when down later in the game they couldn't score and they went down 21 pts before scoring a garbage time TD.

So you are saying he didn't want to make a point? how did that point look whn the jets and Pats played in postseason?



dallas now has a Ryan running their D, they have the best pass rusher in the game, they completely shut down our run game and harrassed our QB all night. I'd rather face this NE D any day than what we saw the other night against Dallas. The last time mark faced a NE D he threw 3 TDs and helped us beat NE fairly easily on the road in the div rd of the playoffs.

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They love the if's, like the dropped INt stats and what should have happened if not for bad calls, etc...

Yeah, and the year before PManning and the Colts made a point by outscoring the jest 24- 0 in the last 31 minutes with a hobbled Freeney and no Bob Sanders, that they were in over their heads. Guaranteed, NE would have faced the jest a 4th time, it would have been 2-2 for the season... which isn't bad considering NE is the true elite team of the 2

Ain't no garbage time against Belicheat when he's in the lead... as the Dec 6th 45-3 humiliation confirmed.

 

[rvz1020]

Yes wins are all every team and its fans want but this thread is comparing henne and sanchez. Nobody created a thread saying miami is 1-0 and jets are 0-1 right?

Henne is great. Sanchez sucks. I'll take the win if it means Sanchez sucks.

 

[CMD]

Those 3 extra yds could have made the difference? They were pts scored by the O regardless of the circumstances.

Again, those scores ketp them in the game and allowed a few mistakes by Dallas to turn the game.

That's great that they scored when the game was close early but when down later in the game they couldn't score and they went down 21 pts before scoring a garbage time TD.

So you are saying he didn't want to make a point? how did that point look whn the jets and Pats played in postseason?

The Jets offense didn't keep them in the game, they couldn't get a drive going at all during the game, the Defense won the game for you.

The Fumble in the Goal line and the Blocked Punt turned the game, not the Offense.

dallas now has a Ryan running their D, they have the best pass rusher in the game, they completely shut down our run game and harrassed our QB all night. I'd rather face this NE D any day than what we saw the other night against Dallas. The last time mark faced a NE D he threw 3 TDs and helped us beat NE fairly easily on the road in the div rd of the playoffs.

Maybe it's just the Jets offense sucks?

The Patriots have a completely new defense and so you compare them to last year...nice.

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They love the if's, like the dropped INt stats and what should have happened if not for bad calls, etc...

Jets fans were the same before Rex Ryan and are always like that when the Fins beat you.

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

How did Dallas not play to their potential? They wee a 6-10 team last season. Actually both Dallas and NE played up or down to their reasonable potential.. .

I never said anything about Dallas not playing to their potential. I actually think Dallas played much better than I expected.

 

[Vaark]

Hey at this point, one thing i think we all can begrudgingly agree on is that no matter how the Henne/Sanchez comparison plays itself out, Fitz right now is heads and shoulders the 2nd best QB in the division.

 

[Valandui]

He did thanks to a garbage time TD, in the competitive portion of the game Sanchez led his O to more points against a better D.

I assume you man the diving, near impossible catch on the last possession? I love the "dropped INTs" stats, didn't Henne have a couple dropped or do those not count?

I can't stand Robocop, but he had like three dropped interceptions compared to Dirty's twenty.

 

[The New Guy]

Those 3 extra yds could have made the difference? They were pts scored by the O regardless of the circumstances.

Again, those scores ketp them in the game and allowed a few mistakes by Dallas to turn the game.

That's great that they scored when the game was close early but when down later in the game they couldn't score and they went down 21 pts before scoring a garbage time TD.

So, an offense that moves the ball 2 yards and kicks a field goal, is better than an offense that goes 76 yards to the 1 and goes for it and does not make it? You agree that both the Dolphins and Jets scored 17 points in the competitive portion of the game, but you are also giving credit for the Jets moving the ball 2 yards on one of those scores. I think you are really reaching on this one.

The Dolphins offense played better than the Jets offense in week 1. It is not even debatable. It is just 1 game however and does not mean much.

 

[nyjunc]

The Jets offense didn't keep them in the game, they couldn't get a drive going at all during the game, the Defense won the game for you.

The Fumble in the Goal line and the Blocked Punt turned the game, not the Offense.





Maybe it's just the Jets offense sucks?

The Patriots have a completely new defense and so you compare them to last year...nice.

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Jets fans were the same before Rex Ryan and are always like that when the Fins beat you.

If we are only judging on one game how could someone possibly think NE's D is better than Dallas'?

Our O kept us in the game as our D kept allowing dallas to move the ball at will until the 4th qtr when they got some huge TOs. heck after we went down 24-10 it took 3 mins to score and cut it to 24-17 before Dall got inside our 5 and fumbled.

 

[CMD]

If we are only judging on one game how could someone possibly think NE's D is better than Dallas'?

Our O kept us in the game as our D kept allowing dallas to move the ball at will until the 4th qtr when they got some huge TOs. heck after we went down 24-10 it took 3 mins to score and cut it to 24-17 before Dall got inside our 5 and fumbled.

Or maybe Miamis offense was just that good to make the Pats D look bad?

The Jets offense didn't keep them in the game, the Cowboys were cruising in the 4th quarter until the forced fumble and blocked punt, then came Romo and I think we all know what happens when romo gets the ball in the 4th quarter.

We should have been 12-4 or 13-3 if we hadn't lost to teams like Oakland, SF, Seattle, ...

Well well, I guess it isn't all Fins fans now is it?

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

Yes wins are all every team and its fans want but this thread is comparing henne and sanchez. Nobody created a thread saying miami is 1-0 and jets are 0-1 right?

You are comparing who played better. The winner generally plays better. Down 28-17, Henne couldn't make a comeback. Down 24-10, Sanchez made a comeback with a 27-24 victory.

Difference? Henne chokes when he has to lead a comeback. Down 28-17, Henne had two three and outs, and a failed fourth down conversion before scoring while the game was over. Sanchez scored right away on the first drive in the 4th quarter to make it 24-17,