Sporting News Ranks The Fins18QBs In 18Yrs Since Marino

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  1. Vaark

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    excluding Cutler

    http://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/...dan-marino-playoffs/5m3a74uqphn11ggtl5vsj8bjk

    They have the top 3 as Fiedler, Pennington & Tannehill. (Culpepper as18th)

    IMO the list is pretty subjective and quite subject to debate

    But in retrospect, regardless of their ranking, when anyone, even subjectively by the process of elimination needs to put Cleo Lemon at 11, Ray Lucas at 12 and John Beck at 14 out of 18, it drives home just how damn pathetic that our parade of losers has mostly been!

    postscript: Searched to determine whether I originally missed this September article already being posted.. Couldn't find anything but apologies if my searching skills proved underwhelming.
     
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    Fiedler was terrible, the only thing he was good at was giving WRs highlight catches because of how badly he threw the ball. He may have been #3 but putting him above Tannehill or Pennington is a complete joke.
     
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    Fiedler at #1 means this is not a QB comparison but a team comparison. Fiedler was a worse QB than Pennington, Tannehill and Moore. John Beck was the worst of them all.
     
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    What a sad list but the rankings suck as well. Noodle arm should be 1, Tannehill should be 2and Fielder 3 the rest should be erased from Miami Dolphins history.
     
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    I have never hated a Miami Dolphins player more than I hated Jay Fiedler. Granted I was a child at the time, and I probably wouldn't hate him now, but yeah.....he's my childhood most hated athlete.

    I'm putting Tannehill 1 and Pennington 2. Everyone else is completely irrelevant. Tanny gets the nod because Pennington basically gave us one greatly efficient season, and he had an atrocious playoff game that year. Pretty sure Baltimore picked him off 3-4 times.
     
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    Tannehill



    Everybody else
     
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    Very close, I think Tannehill, Pennington, then the rest of the trash. Penny was pretty good for one year then his arm fell off.
     
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    1 year where we ran wildcat cause the qbs arm was so limited and had a 1-15 schedule.

    Then we played in the postseason the ravens stacked the field inside the numbers with defenders and forced penny to throw it outside the numbers and his noodle arm was exposed.

    The best thing he had was timing of ball out of hand and ball placement. Its what kept him in the league as long as he played but there was still obvious outside the number arm limitations.

    After that one year his arm fell off
     
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    Fiedler looked pretty good in the Jacksonville game that marked the end for JJ. Maybe with a different coach we might still be singing praises.
     
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    If Pennington was able to stay healthy, he could've been one of our better QB's. Pennington was living proof that a good QB could turn a bad team around.
     
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    I agree with all that but he was still head and shoulders above the rest of that trash, even with his significant limitations and absence of longevity.
     
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    Fiedler was the single most reason we underperformed so much in the early 2000s. He was complete garbage. He had no accuracy, no deep throw, and made terrible turnovers in the worst moments.

    I would rate it Pennington then Tannehill (although I think Tannehill if he gets healthy will find himself atop this list). Everyone else was just complete garbage.
     
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    Good morning Buddy :)

    Pennington had his one bright shining year in 08... and deserves credit for that. But IMO what offsets some of those props was his '09 0-3 start before The China Doll got re-injured where his YPA was 5.6, his QBR 76 with 1 single TD to 2 Ints. Couple that with how miserably he did vs the Ravens in the 08 playoffs and then factor in that, consistent with his past career, when facing top 10 Scoring D's, his success rate in 08 was 25% and top that off with the success of the wildcat. Consequently IMO, Tannehill is more deserving of #1 than Noodle.
     
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    Tannehill, Pennington and throw the rest back in the wash.
     
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    I agree Vaark. I still had Tannehill as a solid #1 on the list. I just had Penny as a solid number two above the rest of the heap. I don't even think it's close between Tannehill and Penny but I also don't think it's close between Penny and Fielder or anyone else. Sorry for the confusion on that.
     
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    Really? We discussing the ranking on a list of best of the worst? :laugh

    First of all Fiedler was not crap. He was a smart game manager who overestimated his arm strength at times. He was a solution to hold over the position until a new franchise QB would have joined the franchise. The other big problem was that he immediately followed Marino.

    Pennington is definitely up there. A QB like Fiedler (smart game manager with limited arm strength) minus Fiedler's mobility. Just like Fiedler a good QB as place keeper until a franchisde QB would have entered the picture. If he would not have gotten hurt Henne would have never started for us.

    Tannehill is correctly placed at #3. The first two were the last two starters who brought us the playoffs playing a full season. Tannehill blew the 2013 playoff chance and until he gets us to the playoffs playing a full season he should remain at #3. This is a list of accomplishments (or lack thereof) and not potential or wishful thinking. No matter what happens with Tannehill in the future he is placed correctly at #3 right now. Moore at 4 I am OK with as well. He always performed admirably when called into significant playing time and is a good mentor to Tannehill and I believe the longest tenured Dolphins QB after Marino.

    After that you can throw every QB in a bucket and draw. Any ranking is fine.
     
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    1. Tannehill








    2. Pennington






    3. Matt Moore


























































    4. Gus Frerotte


    .... posting the rest of the list would probably get me banned.
     
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    Disagree.. IMO there are too many extenuating circumstances to base this on the playoffs. Case in point, if ranking The Saints QBs, how could anyone place Hebert or Jeff Blake above Archie Manning despite them getting into the WC and divisional rounds and Archie never making the POs.

    I think the WC deserves as much credit for the 11-5 record as does Pennington who notably was off the field during much of it. As far as Fiedler goes, he played on some strong teams; just as I believe Wanny , despite ostensible success in a few Postseasons could have gotten the team further, IMO good teams were limited by Fiedler's limitations.

    It's subjective but if placed into either of the above's situations, Tannehill would have done as well, if not better.
     
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    As much as many people believe Tannehill has been the best since Marino, he still doesn't have a winning record, only Pennington and Fiedler do. Beck has to be the worst, king of the pick six. Culpepper is only seen as the worst because we missed on Brees, not his fault though.
     
  20. fishfanmiami

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    Ronnie Brown has got to be top 5. That's how bad it's been.
     
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    I agree with this. Someone post his stats :)
     
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    In 2008 he was 2 for 3 with one TD passing and no ints



    (also rushed for 913 yards and 10 TD's)
     
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    Top 3 should be as follows imo:
    1. Pennington
    2. Tannehill
    3. Fiedler
     
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    I really don't care how you rank QBs and what measures you are taking. If you want to go into a nitty gritty you have to start evaluating each opponent and their strength at that time we faced them.

    I am not going into a Tannehill debate with you. He hasn't accomplished anything yet and therefore the #3 spot is OK. If we would have made the playoffs in 2013 when we blew the games against the Bills and Jets you'd have a case for a #1 ranking.

    Archie Manning? Really? Couldn't you have at least picked a QB from the 50s and 60s.
     
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    Were those yards from the QB position? Did he play the position any other season?
     
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    Instead of looking at their success or lack of it with the team, if you were starting a team from scratch today, which QB would you take, not knowing the other components of players, schemes or coaches?
     
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    **** almost forgot about Huard. Always wonders how he would’ve done if they didn’t bench him in favor of noodle arm. Also liked Scott Mitchell
     
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    I was half joking brother. Just pointing out how bad the actually QB's were.

    Ronnie took some snaps there the next season but after that the wildcat was no more.
     
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    Tannehill, then Pennington. If both had the same arm, it would be Pennington but his lack of arm strength puts him behind Tannehill.
     
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    I know, but I was just curious
     
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    My three are...Tannehill, Pennington & Fiedler.


    I believe we still have not seen Tannehill's ceiling yet, we were about to see it this year, but now, we don't know if we will ever see how good Tannehill could have been, even if he is able to come back healthy...hopefully we still do.

    Pennington is behind Tannehill because as accurate and smart a QB as he was, he was very limited deep, which allowed teams to game plan better against him if the running game wasn't working.

    Fieldler is behind because he really was not close to as talented as the 1st two, but he was not horrible as some say, he just was not the QB you could rely on if you fell too far behind in the 4th quarter. He was a good QB to have if you had a running game, and a good defense. Though where he threw the passes at times was pretty horrible, he still was able to find open receivers, and at least give them a chance to make plays...as long as they did not get killed.
     
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    Well then if making the playoffs is your number 1 consideration, who gets credit for '16? Tannehill, 8-5 going down while putting up elite 7-1 numbers or Matt Moore going 2-1?

    If it's Matt Moore then he's comparable to Pennington in terms of losing big in the postseason and perhaps better considering in '11 how he brought a demoralized team back to respectability going 6-6. And if we're counting success in the postseason based on snaps from center, then I agree with @fishfanmiami that considering the success of direct snaps Ronnie Brown took, he should at least be sharing that best QB designation with Noodle. Penny faced 4 top ten scoring defenses in 08 (Ravens 2x, and won once) so there's that too.

    Oh and if Archie, who is disputably the 2nd best Manning despite what he had to work with is unacceptable, then please make a case for Sanchez being 2nd best jets QB per his conference losses vs Ken O'Brien or Vinnie Testaverde who did less..

    IMO, Pennington gets way too much credit for his dinks and dunks when the WC got us into the postseason where some people forget how the Ravens humiliated him and the Fins. Also the glow of 08 tends to overshadow the 0-3 stink of 09.
     
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    Kind of interesting that if you look at Tannehill and Pennington career stats they are very similar in a lot of categories.

    Actually had about the same number of throws/completions/td/ints. Very close.
     
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    I thought what Pennington did well was limit mistakes throwing only 7 picks in 2008 with 19 TD passes. Our turnover margin that year was excellent and a big reason we got to the playoffs. Unfortunately the same can not be said for our game vs Baltimore.
    Remember we were coming off a 1 and 15 season so that was one hell of a turn around.
    We picked him up late in the off season and I would say if not with the QB's we had there would have been no playoffs and probably no winning season IMO.

    I give him lots of credit for that noodle arm and all :)
     
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    1. Tannehill




    BIG GAP



    2 - 3. Argument for Pennington or Fiedler. Both delivered better than expected results given their limited physical capabilities.
    4-18. Irrelevant

    Any list not starting with RT can't be considered accurate.
     
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    1. Tannehill
    2. Fiedler
    That's about all worth mentioning.

    Never understand why Frerotte doesn't get as much love as the Noodle, had about as much success.
     
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    You haven't read my post. My main basis was a full season as a starter. Neither Moore nor Tannehill qualifies for that. So for as much as I care you can assign credit for last year the way you want to: give them both credit, one more, one less or none at all. I do not care because we do not know if we would have made the playoffs if either one would have played the whole season.

    Like I told you before I am not engaging with you a Tannehill debate and I for sure will not engage in a Sanchez or any other QB debate from any team other than the Dolphins.

    It really seems of utmost importance to you that Tannehill is ranked #1 in this utterly useless stat. So why don't you just rank him #1 and be happy about it. I certainly have better things to do than sit here and argue forth and back over something which has absolutely no bearing on the Miami Dolphins in the past, present or future.

    Now celebrate that #1 ranking and have a couple beers to celebrate this glorious occasion.
     
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    While I may strenuously disagree with your opinion, I will defend your right to express it.

    And fwiw, it's more for me as Tannehill being number 1 by default because I don't have too much use for Fiedler's underperformance given what he had to work with and support him and what I consider the emotion-driven over-value of Pennington's one year of assisted success against one of the league's easiest schedules after the 1-15 fiasco.

    You need not respond unless you feel compelled to :cool

    But you are correct in that it is a meaningless subjective poll, not dissimilar to the 85% of opinion-driven OPs on FH
     

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