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Stadium upgrade could bring MLS to Miami

Wait, aren't the stadium renovations supposed to erase the problems created when the stadium was designed to hold a soccer field? Like the seats being too far from the football sideline?

wasnt that baseball? A soccer field isnt very wide compared to NFL fields. Playing soccer on an NFL pitch is the biggest practical issue with the deal. Ive played football on a rugby pitch... its not pretty. Look at how the NFL games ruin the wembly pitch in international games!
 
I loved the Fusion . . . less than 2 miles from my house, but that team was based in North Fort Lauderdale . . . a soccer team certainly would have a better chance in Dade County. Hell the Fusion now at Lockhart would fare better as the Hispanic and West Indian population is ballooning in Fort Lauderdale compared to 12 years ago. There are soccer matches all the time in Lauderdale Lakes / Lauderhill at these smaller parks and those things are "packed" on Saturdays.

Aren't you the same guy who wanted a Stadium near Bayside?

Clueless in soccer. The Fusion was an MLS team and never drew attendance. That's why they folded. In the past years Miami FC played in Miami and drew literally nothing. Right now at Lockhard Stadium we have the Strikers and they don't draw to well either. You need to brush up on your soccer and football skills.


Now back to the OPs post:

So Robbie built a Stadium to accommodate soccer and then we convert it to a football venue to draw a soccer team? Yeah, that sounds about brilliant.

4000 jobs? Where? In the strip clubs? Won't even be 4000 temporary construction jobs. Any time a company woos for public money and they come with some 'economic impact studies' only 10% of it is reality.

The Dolphins have two billionaire owners and a bunch of millionaire celebrities. The stadium is owned by two billionaires. Amongst them they should come up with $400 Million. Socialism for the rich. Yeah. That'll work.
 
Jesus at the ignorance... you know there is a whole other world outside of the USA right?

he simplified it though, this team is going to be in us, miami to be exact and there is no reason to think it will do better than a decade ago
 
wasnt that baseball? A soccer field isnt very wide compared to NFL fields. Playing soccer on an NFL pitch is the biggest practical issue with the deal. Ive played football on a rugby pitch... its not pretty. Look at how the NFL games ruin the wembly pitch in international games!


No loss there.
 
This is comically predictable. The Dolphins are going to leak every might-happen, could-be scenario imaginable if they think it sounds positive and will sway a small segment of the population to vote Yes.

Then they can quietly drop the matter and say they never promised anything, if the vote passes.

I'm a huge soccer fan, but as I posted months ago when the renovation issue arose, if the stadium is still viable for pro soccer then what have we accomplished in terms of remodeling the lower bowl?

It's a horrendous stadium in terms of home field impact. That's all I care about. Nothing will change upon this desperate patchwork. I've studied home field impact in football and basketball for nearly 30 years and I'm not aware of a single example of a patched stadium that miraculously transformed from a glorified neutral site to a dungeon for the opposing team.

Like a cheap maiden claiming horse, Sun Life Stadium has a track record, and it's worthy of the glue factory, or in this case implosion, not 400 million additional wasted dollars and decades of likely mediocrity for any team that calls it home. I have no idea how we're content to ignore the devastating numerical realities in favor of subjective fantasy. The Dolphins averaged more than a 7.5 point net advantage per game in the Orange Bowl from 1966 to 1986, despite starting out as an expansion franchise. The average was 24.3-16.8. In the Robbie Bowl we've forfeited nearly 2/3 of that edge, with an average edge of only 2.3. It breaks down to 21.5-19.2. To be fair, the '70's/early '80s Dolphins were superior overall to the '87-'12 version, as evidenced by road games. Miami had a +.6 net advantage from '66-'86 on the road, compared to -2.2 from '87 through '12.

So we're 2.8 points worse on the road and a ridiculous 5.2 points inferior at home. That's how I arrive at the estimate that we forfeited 2 to 2.5 points per game at Sun Life, compared to the Orange Bowl. At least the Dolphins made the foolish choice decades ago, a leap of faith. Paul Dee and the moronic Canes had two decades of evidence before making the masochistic switch in 2008. The Orange Bowl was demonstrably superior to the typical home venue while it's difficult to argue that Sun Life doesn't dwell near the bottom of the pack.

Here's a link from a guy who has broken down the numbers for every team, home and road, since 1980. It's similar to what I use for betting purposes. Notice that Sun Life is well down the list of home impact at 2.04. I can tell you that bettors right now don't allow 2 points for Sun Life. It's closer to 1.5. Our 2.04 would be lighter if he excluded 1980 through 1986, when we were still in the Orange Bowl:

http://www.boydsbets.com/home-field-advantage-in-the-nfl/
 
On the bright side if MLS is in our stadium we might find a decent kicker out if it!

i think our kicker should be that chick who went to a regional tryout and promptly kicked the ball like 10 yards off the tee sunday...what a disgrace that was... and then blamed a quad pull for the showing ha ha yeah right
 
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