Tannehill vs Sanchez supporting cast?

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  1. yolli71

    yolli71 FinHeaven VIP Finheaven VIP Donator

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    I know Sanchez sucks, but we always hear about how he's never been surrounded by any talent. How has his supporting cast been any worse than what Tannehill has now?

    Jets
    WR - Holmes, Kerley, Edwards, and their 2nd round pick Hill
    RB - Greene, McKnight, Powell
    TE - Keller

    Dolphins
    WR - Hartline, Bess, bunch of scrubs
    RB - Bush, Thomas, Miller (who's barely played)
    TE - Fasano

    I know Holmes and Keller have been out for much of this year, but Sanchez sucked last year too when he had them for the full season. And he's always had a pretty solid O-line w/ Ferguson, Mangold, and Moore. I'd say that Tannehill's supporting cast is just as bad if not worse, yet he's playing way better than Sanchez. Maybe Tannehill should get more credit for his play with such a weak offensive squad.
     
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    Eh. To be honest, does it really matter. Sanchez probably just played his last career game as a starting qb in the nfl and Tannys career is just starting. One is a first round bust and one is a rookie who's book has yet to be written
     
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    Sanchez is the worst QB in the NFL. Supporting cast doesn't matter when you are as inept as Sanchez
     
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    When healthy there's substantially more talent on that jests O, but it doesn't matter with Sanchez. His ineptitude might ruin Hill's promising career. Stick Sanchez on Arizona and he'd waste Fitzgerald as thoroughly as a Skelton or Lindley does. Because that's the quality of QB he is: ****.
     
  5. MiamiDolfan85

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    hey, they dont call him Sanchize for nothing...
     
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    Sanchez flourished because his defense was lights out. You cannot discount the effect of Ladanian Tomlinson, Braylon Edwards, Holmes, Keller, etc. That is a pretty decent cast even with LT being on the downside of his career. Miami has never had close to that offensively in the past decade.

    Many knew it was a huge reach when the jets traded up to draft him. However his early success because of the defense hid his inadequacies. Now that the defense sucks, he is being forced to be a real qb and win games that he never had to in the past and couldn't anyway.

    I wonder if Sparano brought out the air horn in training camp. Did Henne wonders...
     
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    he was drafted way too high to begin with.
     
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    If this ends up being true, he is about to become the highest paid backup in the league. His 2013 cap hit for the Jets is going to be around $13 million. They will have a cap hit of $17 million if they cut him. :lol:
     
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    Pete Carroll knew what he was talking about when he declared Taco not ready for prime time.
     
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    That & Pete Carroll was right. Sancheez should have stayed w/ the Trojans for 1 more yr.
     
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    The key difference is the 50 TO by dirty sanchez over the last 2 years.
     
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    I remember thinking how selfish Pete Carroll was by declaring Sanchez not being ready for the NFL. Obviously in hindsight, Pete was right. I am not sure that the extra year at USC would have helped but one thing I am sure of is the Jets handled him wrong from the start. At this point, I don't think he will ever make it, even as a back up. He lacks the mental toughness needed to be a successful leader and QB.
     
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    I wouldn't be upset if we signed Sanchez to be our backup at league minimum if Moore and Devlin end up going elsewhere.
     
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    No chance.. Devlin has shown a lot of promise, even if against 3rd stringers.. I'm curious about him..
     
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    Moore who is arguably the 3rd best QB in the division will be moving on to compete for a starting job...Sight unseen I would take Devlin over Sanchez, as I would most any mentally-tough back-up over Taco not named Curtis Painter thank you.

     
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    Yep Moore is probably a goner. I wouldn't dump Devlin for Stinkchez but I doubt we can stash him away forever. I'm just saying I would take Sanchez over using a draft pick on another backup, for now.
     
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    To be fair, in the past there were times when Sanchez looked decent and even good. This year he got Sparanoed.
     
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    you can't compare the 2 since Holmes and Keller have been out much of the season and we just got Edwards last week. Most of the season we've Kerley as our #1 w/ Chaz Schilens, Clyde Gates(who couldn't make your team), Jeff Cumberland, Konrad Reuland as his main weapons.

    when healthy his supporting cast is better but our supporting cast this year w/ all the injuries was nowhere near as good as what Ryan had.
     
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    As many of us have being saying for four years, Sanchez is a game manager who needs a strong run game and a dominating defense in order to win games. This whole "he got the team to two divisional playoff games" thing was silly and we are now seeing how delusional many Jets fans were about Sanchez.

    As for Tannehill, only time will tell how he is going to work out. Let's get him more weapons to play with and then we can start to make comparisons with other QBs. I am not willing to make the same mistakes Jets' fans made with Sanchez and talk up Tannehill only to look a fool in two years time.
     
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    No way!!! I'd rather develop someone who I think might have upside.
     
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    Regardless of all circumstances, his performance on MNF had nothing to do with anyone around him, he threw comeback route late enoug for the CB to break and make an INT, over threw his TE with 4 DBs around him and air mailed it to the Safety for an INT, threw into Double Coverage to Braylon and air mailed that one into the clouds for an INT, and with the game still on the line in the redzone double pumped with his happy feet and threw into Triple Coverage for an INT, not one of those had anything to do with the WR, just all awful throws by a 4th year QB who after every game says "I cant keep making those mistakes", and the fumble the snap was low yes, but instead of just falling on the ball he tried to pick it up while dropping back and fumbled it again, on the national stage Sanchez was exposed AGAIN, if the Patriots game wasnt enough, then the Titans game had to be, if your not ready to admit he is just simply not a good QB, I honestly dont know what else to say, eventually you have to blame him

    Forget all the interceptions, how about that simple 4 yard check down pass to Shonn Green wide open over the middle and Sanchez with his normal panick feet hopping around double patting the ball, fired the ball at Green high above his head, zero touch, zero accuracy, on a 4 yard dump off to your WIDE OPEN running back
     
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    We should really put all Mark Sanchez debates to bed. He may not even be the Jets starting QB next season. The 4 road playoff wins and 2 title game appearances were nice but this is ending how many on this board thought it would. As my buddy, a Jets fan said, no matter how good the supporting cast it will always be road playoff games with Sanchez because he's never good enough in the regular season to get a home playoff game.
     
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    I think that had more to do w/ a guy named Tom Brady. he led us to 11 wins in 2010, good enough to win most divisions, the SB champs last yar won 9, 2 years ago 10.
     
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    Thanks dude, I really needed a good laugh.....lol

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    I would not be at all surprised if Matt Moore signs with the Jets in the off season.
     
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    That would be interesting, he'd have a shot to start but would his poor practices keep Sanchez in the drivers seat?
     
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    the supporting cast is a moot point...sanchez has been in the league half a decade already and he still shows he can't make protection adjustments at the los and recognize free blitz pressure or make solid decisions with the football anywhere near the level ryan tannehill has to date...and while tannehills accuracy and placement on some things has been a little off at times it's nowhere near the inconsistent level sanchez is as a passer...

    the jets need to start over...miamis got it's qb...sanchez hasn't improved in going on 3 full years now...ryans a fool if he stands by that guy anymore
     
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    I would be even more surprised if Sanchez is on the Jets opening day. The fans in that stadium will be brutal on him as soon as he comes out of the tunnel. That's a distraction they need to avoid and I think they will.
     
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    every time i watch the jets i see more bad decisions from the qb and late throws and bad edge rush blitz recognition and accounting for then i have seen in a half seasons worth of games with tannehill...i'm not kidding you...monday night he had single high at the snap was late as heck releasing the ball down the sideline and had safeties basically fair catching ints...got sacked multiple times cause he failed to pick up things at the los something you see weekly with him these days...kids made ZERO progress...if anything he's regressed

    it's just bad qb play...you can't win when your qb takes you out of games with poor decision making and late decisions at that and takes sacks that he's responsible for...

    new york better get a qb in there with that top pick...b/t sanchez tebow and sparanos dumb *** the jets are screwed
     
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    lets hope they don't. Would love to see Sanchez again there next year but I don't see it happening even after stupidly signing him to that ridiculous extension.
     
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    i think tannehill is a rookie no? sanchez is not, no excuses he just blows.. only way he is successful is if he has a great run game and a great defense lol
     
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    We were told that the Jets are elite and have been one of the best teams in the AFC the last few years. There are NO excuses for this team.
     
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    Honestly, and I've said this before, my big fear is that Matt Moore signs with the Jets. He's instantly a huge upgrade to their QB position and Kerley and Hill are two guys who I think will be pretty solid receivers for them if they get some good QB play.
     
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    The Jets started the demise of Mark Sanchez by bringing in Tim Tebow, which by the way, was a horrible decision and so was the hiring of Sparano.

    The Jets have been decimated by a rash of injuries and Sanchez has been made the scapegoat. The Sanchez fumble was the fault of their center, who unfortunately for the Jets, snaped the ball low and Sanchez was moving back away from the ball, Sanchez should have made more of an effort to jump on the ball, but that's the way the ball bounces sometimes. Mark Sanchez also tried to force too many throws into coverage.

    d-1
     
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    Wow, just wow!

    Couldn't happen to a better team.
     
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    He's d*(k.
     
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    Brian Hartline is better than anyone the Jets line up out there at WR. It's not even close. If Santonio Holmes wouldn't have gotten hurt, Sanchez would've had a better season, period. I thought that Hill kid could've been something but he seems to be dumber than a stump. Dustin Keller is a good deal better than any of our TEs, but he's been nonproductive because of injury.
     
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    Also. Miami's receivers prove that they have some brains because if they don't, they're no longer Miami receivers. It took Gaffney forever to even get on the field and then I think the coaches realized that Matthews could do better anyway and didn't wanna wait for Gaffney to get healthy...again. Anthony Armstrong was obviously not smart enough to last.
    So for that reason I'd have to say that Miami's WRs are just better football players than the Jets guys, even if some of the Jets guys may have more physical talent.

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    When was TY Hilton drafted? Before or after Egnew? Was he there for the taking and we passed him over?
     
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    I am told every year how much better you guys are and you never are. No QB could win w/ the healthy weapons we had this year.

    I think they did but it wasn't w/ Tebow, it was bringing in new receivers every year then this year bringing in tebow(I still am not against Tebow they just don't know how to use him).

    2009 they had Cotchery, Braylon(for 12 games) and David Clowney as top 3 WRs
    2010: Cotch, Braylon and Holmes(12 games)
    2011: Holmes, Plaxico, Kerley
    2012: Kerley, Schilens, Gates/Hill(after injuries)

    this year our O was decimated w/ injuries and we didn't have depth. he played most of the year w/ kerley as his #1 WR, w/ Chaz Schilens who was supposed to be just a deep threat 4th/5th WR, Clyde Gates(who caouldn't make Miami's roster), jeff Cumberland and Konrad Reuland as our TEs. If you watch our games you'll see he has nowhere to throw most of the time, some smart team will pick him up and he will thrive in this league.
     
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    Anyone else think its a coincidence that Mark Sanchez got a huge contract extension this past offseason and now he plays worse? I'm still baffled at how the Jets gave him an extension this offseason for $20 million in guarantees. Thats probably the worst GM move I've ever seen in the NFL....even worse than anything Al Davis has ever done.
     
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    when sparano was named Jests OC I said that it would be the end for taco bellboy snatchez in new york.


    and here we are
     
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    ​Moore would be an upgrade for sure, and I really hope this doesn't happen, although it might be great for Moore.
     
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    To be fair he hasn't had a healthy O all season and most of the year the weapons inthe pass game were Kerley as our #1, Schilens, Clyde gates(who couldn't ven make it in Miami), jeff Cumberland and Konrad Reuland. It's hard to evaluate when he has all that going against him.
     
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    if the jets want matt moore and think he's the answer by all means be my guest...they'll be in the same position 3 years from now qb wise they are now...not good enough
     
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    Even if guaranteed the starting QB position, I can't see MMoore wanting to go there. Arizona would be the perfect situation for him, perhaps the Rams as they don't seem to be satisfied with Bradford, and KC would be more friendly as well.

    The stej should have started McElroy earlier. He doesn't look impressive and never has, but all he has ever done is win games, mostly by not making mistakes.
     
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    To be fair, since entering the league in 2009, including Interceptions and fumbles, Sanchez has turned the ball over 109 times
     
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    Well junk I think every dolphin fan in the world hopes he stays your starter if that makes you feel better.
     
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    So why are there suggestions that they're going to either trade him or release him if it isn't b/c he stinks?
     
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    Yesterday I was watching Inside the NFL on Showtime. Kris Jenkins laid it out. The Coaching staff and FO never made Sanchez work for anything. Said he was coddled from the time he showed up.

    As for when Sanchez started regressing. IMO, it was once Fanaca wasn't resigned. It started the downhill trend, because that offensive line would never be the same.
     
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    it is now officially hopeless with Junc, every single analyst,football mind,former head coach, former player, says Sanchez is not good, his own team benched him twice for a 7th round pick, now the team is open to trading him, i mean common now there is nothing left to hold on to, your favorite team wants to trade your favorite player....your favorite team would rather start a 7th round pick along for the ride at Alabama QB who has thrown 5 passes in 2 years, they want to start the same guy who told the media the Jets locker room was the most toxic locker room he has ever seen insulting, the players and coaching staff, yet they would all rather him play then the #5 pick draft bust
     

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