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Wow your post proves my point.
1. The fact that you buy the "idea" that Quinn was a reach is part of the gamble. Most belive he is a franchise QB, and the Phins passing on him makes it a huge gamble.
2.You say your tired of "reaching" for players??? :unsure: What do you think Ginn is??? He's the reach of the Draft at #9.
3. Yes every draft pick is a gamble, the Phins combined the gamble by tying their picks into 1.hoping Quinn isn't a franchise QB, 2. Hoping Ginn is a top flight Wr, and 3. That John Beck is better or as good as Quinn. The odds of the Phins getting all three of these tings to happen is very unlikely.
4. "You give so much credit to the FO for pulling it off????? Are you joking? Pulling what off? Now in order for the Phins draft to pan out, they don't need just a 1st round QB to pan out, instead they need a project Wr to to become a great player, they need the QB they passed on to fail, and to top it all off they need the second round QB they picked to be as good, or better than the QB they passed on because if not, it's not going to matter if Ginn pans out or not, because they won't have a QB to throw him the ball anyway. :tantrum: Sorry but the Phins are talking a huge gamble here, much more than if they had just taken Quinn at #9. Now maybe they win, and maybe they don't, but anyone that can't see how much more risk they are taking here just doesn't understand football.
For Ginn to pan out, doesn't he need touches? So to say it doesn't matter if he pans out because they won't have anyone to throw him the ball is kind of a dumb statement. And it's not like they passed on Quinn to get Beck, they passes on Quinn for Ginn. So Beck doesn't have to be better or the same as Quinn, he just has to be Beck. It doesn't matter whether or not if Quinn fails really(at least IMO), because he's in a different situation in Cleveland from what he would've been here.
And as for pulling it off, I assume he means getting Beck in round 2, since the FO tried to trade back into the 1st round to get him, but couldn't and still managed to land him.