Ten FA's That Fit The Dolphins Future

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  1. Elliott 1

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    I'm basing my choices on these assumptions: Crowder,Sapp,Culver,and Berger will be traded or cut. I think there may also be another surprise cut or two as well. I don't see the cap being raised much from the former amount but with Ricky,Ronnie,Penny, and the others not returning, the Dolphins should have some cap space to work. Ross has made a few mistakes but his pockets are very very deep and he is on record saying he is willing to spend.

    The Dolphins defense was ranked 6th last year and we aren't losing any starters except, hopefully, Crowder. With a little help from a couple free agents, I really believe we could contend for the #1 spot. Brady must be stopped, and that means pass rushing. I am on the move Misi bandwagon. I think Misi could become an elite Mike LB. I think we can find better pass rushers to play outside, but Misi's skills appear to indicate he should be an excellent blitzer coming up the middle. Doesn't take much to beat out Crowder at this or pass coverage.

    1. Mathias Kiwanuka OLB. Risky? Maybe, but he is a perfect fit across from Wake. Expensive? maybe, but next year's draft class looks atrocious. Now is the time to make this move! Kiwanuka was a tweener in the Giants 4-3, I think he would make a seemless transition to the 3-4. He is the best pure pass rusher in this year's, and very likely next year's free agent class as well. Doubt Lawson will be available, but he would also fit nicely.

    2. Travis Laboy OLB. When healthy, a very good situational pass rusher.

    3. DeAngelo Williams RB. We have all read the pro's and con's here, but the bottom line is; DeAngelo is the best RB in free agency and he would be a perfect compliment to Daniel Thomas.

    4. Mario Harvey ILB Can anyone please tell me why this kid wasn't drafted?????????

    5. Marc Schiechl OLB Another OLB?? Ya, Moses is a free agent and Ike isn't very good. Schiechl is crazy strong and consistently runs in the 4.6's. He is the Div 2 all time sack leader. He has good size and is smart as a whip.

    6. Mike Huey OG/
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    Huey missed most of last season but prior to his injury was doing very well for himself and his team. He showed extraordinary athleticism at his pro day. He could very well be the future at LG.

    7. Derrick Locke RB. Why not try to sign him? He might beat out sheets or Hilliard.

    8. Drew Stanton QB This guy dramatically improved his game the last couple of years and it showed in a couple come from behind victories last season for the Lions. He has earned #2 status in the NFL IMO.

    9. Matt Moore QB Could be a real bargain. He may have been dragged down by a really bad situation in Carolina. He is still young and could yet be of value.

    10. Blaine Sumner DT. 49 reps is bold freakish, and a 9'5" broad jump for a guy weighing 335 lbs. is just shocking. Ya, make this a priority signing. I can't believe guys like this were not drafted. This guy attended CO School of Mines, a brainiac school, he can learn to play NT in a 3-4 in probably one year on the PS or the bottom of the 53 man roster.

    Love to get some input on these guys. Who would you take instead???
     
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    Zach Miller.
     
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    I just don't see Crowder getting traded or cut.
     
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    kiwanuka at olb at this point is nothing more than a projection...matt moore and drew staunton are garbage
     
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    Just basing my list off of NFL free agents and not undrafted rookies my list would look like this.

    QB Marc Bulger - Has started for the Rams and was a decent QB until his O Line in St Louis fell apart and he got the crap beat out of him.

    RB Leon Washington - I know I know, a former Jet? Leon has the speed of a scat back and is a dynamic returner killing two birds with one stone for this team.

    OL Marshal Yanda - The ability to play RT or RG at a fairly high level gives us flexibility and depth at both positions in case of injuries to Carey or Jerry.

    ILB Stephen Tulloch - Watch some Titans games from last year. The guy is a thumper and cleans up plays.

    OLB Tamba Hali - There is your devastating pass rusher opposite of Wake.
     
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    Franchise Tagged and isnt going anywhere.
     
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    no ones sniffing tamba hali...i'm not sure but tullock looks undersized for a 3-4 ilb to me...bulger would be hurt within the first quarter of the first game...dudes glass
     
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    Def agree with you there, however....

    Im much more in favor of not giving up picks and bringing Bulger in than trading any sort of compensation for McNabb, Palmer, or Kolb.

    And hopefully VY isn't even mentioned. Guy is a locker room cancer.
     
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    anyone who trades a pack of gum for mcnabb with the way his legs are shot is a moron...pretty much...mcnabb is done...kolb is way overpriced and likely ticketed for arizona...

    i'd trade for palmer but not if it involves a top 2 round pick...a 3rd and a 5th i'd do...but he's the only one i'd want to trade anything for...and he's risky no doubt

    bulger would be penny in 2010 all over again...we'd get nothing out of him
     
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    which might be exactly what the FO has to do.

    The alternatives are either too expensive or risky... or too expensive AND risky.

    So essentially they will bring in a vet QB who can "compete for the job", to give henne some competition. When in reality its equivalent to practice racing with horses, when one horse is pulled up in order to give the other confidence.

    False confidence is confidence nonetheless. Cant hurt IMO
     
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    i don't think if you do in fact trade for palmer you do so with the idea he has to compete with anyone...he's the guy to start the season at least...otherwise keep your picks and just roll with henne
     
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    Sorry guys, missed Hali being franchised.
     
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    Picked Bulger due to starting experience and decent play when he is healthy. I highly doubt this front office is going to trade any future picks for a QB. Let Henne start the season and have Bulger as a backup if he is not performing up to expectations. Tulloch is a bit undersized but so was Zach Thomas and between the size we have up front and Crowders lack of explosive plays I see him as a better option.

    No opinions on Washington or Yanda?
     
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    Wow, Elliott 1 really manages to find these unloved small school workout warriors and stats kings.

    Mario Harvey wasn't drafted for two reasons that I could tell. One, his brain makes him slow even though his feet make him fast. He doesn't see plays and pull the trigger. The NFL likes players with a trigger, guys with a sudden and decisive look. They make the plays. Harvey just floats and flows, and because he's more athletically gifted than most that worked for him in college and he was able to accumulate stats. But, in the NFL, that won't happen. He needs a trigger. The second reason is if you really pay attention and watch him, he showed a pattern of dying in the second half of games. Stamina problems. He'll get pulled in somewhere as a UDFA, and a team will see if they can't work through those problems.

    I'd be willing to take a closer look at Drew Stanton. When I'd seen him before he didn't look good to me but I have to admit for these young guys sometimes it's a game to game consistency thing and that's what shows up in 2010...bad games against the Giants and Packers, good games against the Bears and Bucs. Kyle Orton is all the rage out there and if you look at some of his games you wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, look at others and he's a franchise starter.

    The only REAL evaluation on a Drew Stanton could come from extensive film study (of his unextensive career).

    But I will say this. He's been superb in the preseason. Don't roll your eyes, good quarterbacks tend to perform well in the preseason. Of 46 starters and semi-starters from recent years, 6 of the top 7 preseason QB ratings measured 2006 to 2010 (no data available pre-2006) were:

    #1. Aaron Rodgers - 119.0
    #2. Peyton Manning - 113.3
    #3. Tom Brady - 104.6
    #4. Drew Brees - 102.7
    #5. Matt Schaub - 100.8
    #7. Phil Rivers - 98.5

    You can't look at that list and tell me there's no correlation between preseason play and regular season play for QBs. Good QBs should find the preseason even easier than the regular season, and play accordingly. You'll notice a number is missing there. That'd be #6. Drew Stanton - 99.2 QB Rating. He had a 151 QB Rating in his first preseason 2008, a 112 QB Rating in his 2009 preseason and a 97 QB Rating in his 2010 preseason. Stanton has been 38 of 67 for 521 yards, 6 TDs and 2 INTs, with 2 sacks for a 9 yard loss, 24 runs for 157 yards and 2 TDs.

    Matt Moore on the other hand, I just have no interest there. I've taken a look at him, I don't like what I see, I'd rather just pass and not waste my time.
     
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    come on guys...drew staunton...that guy was trash in college let alone the nfl

    yanda if he gets away from baltimore there's a reason...ozzie newsome doesn't let young guys get away unless he's got a replacement or they're overpriced...i think he's a solid player but guys that get away from there in their prime due to money whatever generally underperform elsewhere...it would be about the price for me...$30 mil...nah

    washington is looking for a big pay day...i think someone crazy to give him $20 mil given how much less the kick return will be part of the game due to the new rules on kickoffs and he's not the same guy since that gruesome injury...pass unless the price is very right

    stay away from darren sproles and anyone on the raiders not named zach miller also...they'll all be overpriced...my advice
     
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    miami should make a run at either deangelo williams or ahmad bradshaw and swing tackle/guard makes sense imo like yanda provided the moneys right...i'd love to get a te like zach miller but i don't think oakland lets him get away and i'm not sure frankly this front office puts enough emphasis on the position to spend the dang money there...could we take a flier at a owen daniels back from injury??? i wouldn't mind it if the moneys right

    travis laboy would be nice but isn't he coming off a double digit sack season in tennessee or do i have him mixed up with someone else...a situational pass rusher would be money for 3rd down
     
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    How did Tiki Barber not make your updated list of coveted free agents, Elliott?

    We don't have a snowflakes chance in hell to get Hali.

    Stanton? Moore? Ugh.

    Zach Miller would be nice. So would Yanda, although I'm not against D. Williams either.
     
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    For me its going after Carl Nicks, Davin Joseph if the ankle checks out, or maybe someone like Daryn College. Get us a very goood pulling LG keep Pouncey at C. Hopefully Jerry gets his strength back and learn from his rookie year and can stay at the RG job for awhile. Long-Nicks or Joseph-Pouncey-Jerry-Carey does look nice to me. The get another olb, Mathias wouldn't be a bad option but I'd only want him in on 3rd downs and we'd have to pay too much for him. But another option would be nice. We need a 3rd push rusher incase on goes down. I do think Misi has a even better year, 8-10 sacks. Remember we would put him against the LT on passing downs which is a tall task for a rook. Eric Weddle might look nice in a fins jersy but probably overpriced but some safety improvement would be a bad thing which I think puts us over the top as a defense. Even a guy like Roman Harper would be a nice upgrade at SS over Bell. other than that improve depth. QBs this year I have no clue which one I want.
     
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    if you really think about it payin yanda doesn't make sense for us NOW unless you are pegging him as a starting guard for this year and the likely replacement for vernon carey after this season...or even this year if you were to part with carey this camp (which i wouldn't rule out)

    yanda won't be cheap...might be wiser to spend the money elsewhere

    eric weddle hell no...he thinks he's much better than he is
     
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    Agreed, just think a better safety or 2 wouldn't hurt this defense. Some guys who create turnovers. May cost some but if they make us a top 3 defense I say go for it. Yanda to me wants the same money as Joseph or Nicks in which case I'll Nicks
     
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    Again, I've said Manny Lawson is a viable alternative -- but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    What are you guys expecting out of Lawson? People that rag on Misi think Lawson is a better fit for us.

    2010 = 59 Tackles, 2.5 Sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles (16 Starts)
    2009 = 68 Tackles, 6.5 Sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles (16 Starts)
     
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    if yanda wants nick money pass...end of story...same for joseph

    we could use help at safety no doubt but weddles nothing special...not to me at least...we need help other places though which i think should take precedence
     
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    it makes no sense for us to pay manny lawson to be an every down olb which is what we'd have to do to land him...when we have a 2 down lb at least in koa misi we drafted just a year ago

    get a situational rusher we don't need an every down guy looking for a $30 plus mil pay day...
     
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    That's the thing, the guy was a starter and his production probably didn't even match that of Misi. And Misi was a rookie.

    It's one of those "grass is always greener" scenarios.
     
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    If I'm targeting Marshall Yanda it's because I'm cutting or trading Vernon Carey, and not next year, this year. Peel the band-aid off quickly, don't drag it out. Yanda's an excellent right tackle. He played at the level Vernon Carey should have. The best managed teams seem to let guys go a year before they're a problem.
     
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    No Tight End?
     
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    I like Antwan Barnes as a pass rushing role player for the defense. Similar to Cameron Wake, he can get around the edge and ensure that we always put the pressure on when we go into our nickel packages and obvious pass situations. Stamina could be a problem so you wouldn't be looking at him becoming a full time player. He's more explosive than Manny Lawson, but not as versatile (run defense, pass coverage).

    I haven't really taken a close look at Mathias Kiwanuka lately so I can't comment there. I suppose it's possible they really like him. They did show interest in Travis Laboy. Between he and Barnes I'd prefer Barnes, as I think Antwan is a little more of a drink-stirrer as a pass rusher. He's got enough of an edge that he can actually make you think about having to target him.

    Cameron Wake is a left side pass rusher on obvious pass rush downs, and he can be neutralized for stretches by blocking schemes. You need to make sure the guy on the right side can consistentlyy beat NFL left tackles in isolation to apply pressure anyway. I'm not sure Koa Misi can do that yet. One way I would combat the increased attention in game planning that I think Cameron Wake will face would be to try and get him used to the idea of pass rushing from the right side against the left tackles. That could throw a wrench in teams' plans and thought processes as they try and peg him down. But one other option that would be nice to have is to throw Barnes in there on the right side and let Wake continue rushing the left.
     
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    At quarterback it's just sort of a tragedy, really. They've already screwed themselves so there's not much to do. Overtures toward Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer are not likely to bear fruit, as neither wants to be here. I'm not paying a 2nd rounder for Kyle Orton. I'm not touching Kevin Kolb. I don't really have much interest in Matt Flynn. The Redskins seem now like they want to trade McNabb and I'm not giving up anything for him.

    You'd find it hard to sell me on Vince Young being a changed person and I'm not too interested in the teammate he was at Tennessee. If we got him, I do know that he can play football, but every single day would be bated breath waiting for him to do something stupid, or for reports that his teammates hate him or that coaches are refusing to elevate him above Henne until he shows he "gets it", etc. I see very little chance that a guy that has been criticized repeatedly by teammates and coaches for work ethic will end up on this team with this administration anyway.

    I think you could do worse than trying to see if a young guy slipped through the cracks and is better than people thought. Three that come to mind are Caleb Hanie, Tarvaris Jackson and the guy already mentioned, Drew Stanton.

    It's a complicated and depressing situation and I find I can't really endorse one idea unless I know a lot more about price tags and interest levels, etc.
     
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    Orton should be the # 1 priority.
     
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    OK sell me on Drew Stanton. Aside from his pathetic collection on zero stats. Is he better now compared his MSU days? Has he developed at all?
     
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    I saw where profootballfocus.com had Fasano included in their top 101 NFL players; although I did read in the Antonio Gates section where the author admits to being biased in favor of TE's who are good blockers.

    I just don't see any money going to the TE position this year.
     
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    Fasano is an average TE who can block pretty good. We need another TE.
     
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    yeah i agree on antwan barnes...and i think the price would be right for his services
     
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    Marshal yanda

    Deangelo Williams

    Vince young

    Antwan Barnes

    I want those four
     
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    We will not get a big name tight end.... Book it. At most some cheap guy
     
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    Well he's actually an NFL quarterback now, so that's a positive step in the right direction, lol.

    There's no being "sold" on Drew Stanton or any of these guys, even Carson Palmer who is old with an injury history, questionable motivation and even more questionable recent play.

    If you want to know how Drew Stanton plays the game I can tell you what I've seen. I see a guy with kind of a slow hitchy release who ends up a shade late on a lot of his throws as a result. I see a guy with quick feet and the ability to really hurt teams on the run, but a little bit questionable accuracy on the move. The feet are a big advantage. You know how we always seem to get victimized by the QB draw from shotgun on the goal line? He can run that play and run it well. I see a guy with enough arm strength to make things happen on the field, but whose lack of natural arm probably results in high throws and the long delivery, and may figure into his lack of touch. He does lack touch on his short passes and isn't a very good screen thrower, either on the perimeter (where the ball can be placed badly) or to the tailback. On the other hand, his feet give him the promise of being a terrific screen executor to the tailback because he can REALLY draw defenders that extra step toward him and then get the ball to a guy knifing against the grain. If he could improve his touch on screen passes that would be a boon to his game. He's accurate but doesn't have the uncanny accuracy that makes the best who they are. It's tough to say how accurate he is on deep passes based on the number of throws I've seen, but my instincts say not very. Pro Football Focus has him completing 5 of 19 over the last three years at 20+ yard depth. That sounds about right. I see a guy that benefited from Calvin Johnson's presence, which is both good and bad. It's good in that he knew when to find Calvin and trusted him. With 8 seconds remaining in the game against the Buccaneers, with one chance to make a throw and win the game otherwise kick a field goal and go into overtime, he didn't give a rat's arse that Calvin's fade pattern was off the far hash. He threw it and placed the ball well, gave Calvin Johnson the opportunity to do what he does. Just so happens Calvin didn't come down with it, but compare that to when Chad Henne had a choice between a fade to Brandon Marshall or a fade to Brian Hartline in a critical moment in a game, and he chose Hartline because he was closer. Stanton wouldn't have done that.

    Actually when watching Stanton, I don't know if it was the route concepts commonly thrown or what, but he reminded me a lot of Chad Henne. A little weaker arm. Not as much accuracy intermediate. Probably the same accuracy deep. Similar ball placement criticisms. Same issues with being a little late, Stanton because of his delivery and Henne because of his relaxed brain. Same kind of patterns being thrown. Henne a little better touch. Stanton way more athletic on his feet, which presents more options in the play calling (stretches, draws, screens, etc).

    I think the more you look at the guys out there and available, the more you realize that aside from Carson Palmer, whose availability to us is questionable at best, Vince Young is the only guy out there with a lick of real talent remaining to him. And that's sad, because of the problems in Vince's personality that make him the next Jeff George.
     
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    personally i'd rather take a shot at matt flynn of green bay than drew staunton

    i thought flynn played pretty solid when rodgers was out that one primetime game...but i also have some aj feeley like feelings there...so its not something i'm excited about
     
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    I didn't like Flynn's work in replacement of Rodgers any more than Stanton. Probably less.

    The two played each other head to head. Stanton won 7-3. Kind of says it all, don't it?
     

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