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Q: Do you believe some teams load up to try and win a Super Bowl, believing they have a short window for various reasons, and feel it is important to go for it fully knowing the bill will come due and the consequences will be felt for a few years?

A: I do.

Q: Do you believe this is a reasonable thing to do?

A: I do not like the idea of doing this, but I understand why some teams might do it. I prefer the strategy of building a very good team that is sustainable, and has a shot year in and year out over a long period of time. I think many bites at the apple gives you better odds of success than one big bite. This is what KC has done, and what the Patriots did.

Q: Do you believe he Dolphins just tried to load up in 2023 to take advantage of Tua being on his last cheap year from his rookie contract?

A: I do.

Q: Whose idea do you think this was?

A: Primarily Steve Ross’s, but my guess is neither McDaniel nor Grier fought him too hard on this one. Ultimately behaving this way is an ownership decision. Even if you believe it wasn’t Ross’s idea, he had to sign off on the approach. Either way, the buck stops with him.

Q: In Miami’s case, was this a reasonable thing to do?

A: In my view, absolutely not. They went all in, with a very weak poker hand. It is almost like they went all in with a bluff. Not advisable. Grier is the one who had to execute this, and in no way had Grier proven he is savvy enough to pull it off. Wrong guy for Ross to make the bet with. Then, although I am high on McDaniel as a coach, he is not there yet and still too green. He has a lot to learn. This process may have begun in 2022, when they had no idea what McDaniel was, because it was his first year. Same thing for Tua at that point. Coming into 2022, he looked pretty shaky. Then, even though he looked good, he spent a fair portion of the year hurt with concussions, to the degree his career was in question. With Tua and McDaniel being question marks, they continued the process in 2022 with the Chubb deal, and then did the Ramsey deal in the 2023 offseason, prior to Tua proving he was a playoff QB and prior to McDaniel showing he had enough seasoning. There just was not enough data to confidently go all in and think you had a good chance of pulling it off, such that the future pain would be worth bearing for the short term high of a Super Bowl run.

Q: How well did they execute the all-in?

A: Poorly in my view. First of all, not a single division title or playoff win. Compare this to the LA Rams, who had a 5 or 6 year run. Two Super Bowls, with one win. Competitive and in the playoffs nearly the whole time. Took a digger after that, but only for two years, and they seem to already have put themselves back into a decent spot. That was well executed, and a smart bet by the Rams owner. He had a great GM in Les Snead, a proven HC in Sean McVay, and a roster that seemed like it had the wherewithal to get the job done with a few key pieces added. Those guys brough the right QB in at the end, to be the final piece of the puzzle. It worked. And they didn’t suffer incredible amounts of pain on the backside, as their GM was capable enough to manage around it and rebuild smartly and quickly. In the case of the Dolphins, not only do we seemingly have nothing to show for it, but Grier left the team in a terrible spot doing this. Devoid of draft picks and way over the cap. All at the same time when their own key guys are hitting the market, and when Tua’s deal is coming up, which is a big issue to work around in and of itself. Grier left too much to hit, all at once, along with Tua's monster new deal. This is terrible management of the all-in. Way too much risk with consequences that are too severe, the way this all played out with their own talented players coming to market. It was mismanaged, which is no surprise. The all-in didn’t work, and now we are bearing too high a cost the way Grier architected it.

Q: Who do you blame?

A: Primarily Ross in my view. Although Grier stinks, and McDaniel is not ready, and Tua is still a big question mark, Ross is the one who decided to go all in with these variables in play, Grier being the one he had to rely on to execute it, and all the question marks. Although I am OK with a team doing this like the Rams, the Dolphins were not in a place to do it. Again, I wonder if Ross’s age is part of the issue? Did he feel like this was his last shot, or is this just more of the same impetuous behavior as the prior 23 years? At any rate, this was a really bad bet for the Dolphins. The risk/reward was not good. It is akin to taking your life savings, and putting it all on one number on the roulette wheel.

Q: Am I being too pessimistic?

A: No, and potentially yes in practice. First of all, I am making a process point. Sometimes you can do the wrong thing and get lucky and be rewarded for it. But, from a pure how to behave perspective, it has not been good strategy or execution. What we now know is there is no doubt they are forced to shed a bunch of talent from the roster due to the spot they are in. There is also no doubt they have had little in the way of draft capital the last few years. As things stand now, on paper, they are a fair bit less talented than last year. Obviously, the offseason is not done yet. They could pull a rabbit out of the hat. But to rely on the guy to pull this off with negative cap space and few draft picks when he couldn’t pull it off with a lot of draft picks and a lot of cap space seems like a low probability outcome. Fewer injuries could be a potential offset, but that is betting on something random (and the reality is Tua or someone else important could get hurt next year), not to mention it seems like it will be a while before Chubb and Jaelen Phillips will be back to full potential.

Thoughts?
Interesting, were you looking in the mirror doing this?
 
Q: Do you believe some teams load up to try and win a Super Bowl, believing they have a short window for various reasons, and feel it is important to go for it fully knowing the bill will come due and the consequences will be felt for a few years?

A: I do.

Q: Do you believe this is a reasonable thing to do?

A: I do not like the idea of doing this, but I understand why some teams might do it. I prefer the strategy of building a very good team that is sustainable, and has a shot year in and year out over a long period of time. I think many bites at the apple gives you better odds of success than one big bite. This is what KC has done, and what the Patriots did.

Q: Do you believe he Dolphins just tried to load up in 2023 to take advantage of Tua being on his last cheap year from his rookie contract?

A: I do.

Q: Whose idea do you think this was?

A: Primarily Steve Ross’s, but my guess is neither McDaniel nor Grier fought him too hard on this one. Ultimately behaving this way is an ownership decision. Even if you believe it wasn’t Ross’s idea, he had to sign off on the approach. Either way, the buck stops with him.

Q: In Miami’s case, was this a reasonable thing to do?

A: In my view, absolutely not. They went all in, with a very weak poker hand. It is almost like they went all in with a bluff. Not advisable. Grier is the one who had to execute this, and in no way had Grier proven he is savvy enough to pull it off. Wrong guy for Ross to make the bet with. Then, although I am high on McDaniel as a coach, he is not there yet and still too green. He has a lot to learn. This process may have begun in 2022, when they had no idea what McDaniel was, because it was his first year. Same thing for Tua at that point. Coming into 2022, he looked pretty shaky. Then, even though he looked good, he spent a fair portion of the year hurt with concussions, to the degree his career was in question. With Tua and McDaniel being question marks, they continued the process in 2022 with the Chubb deal, and then did the Ramsey deal in the 2023 offseason, prior to Tua proving he was a playoff QB and prior to McDaniel showing he had enough seasoning. There just was not enough data to confidently go all in and think you had a good chance of pulling it off, such that the future pain would be worth bearing for the short term high of a Super Bowl run.

Q: How well did they execute the all-in?

A: Poorly in my view. First of all, not a single division title or playoff win. Compare this to the LA Rams, who had a 5 or 6 year run. Two Super Bowls, with one win. Competitive and in the playoffs nearly the whole time. Took a digger after that, but only for two years, and they seem to already have put themselves back into a decent spot. That was well executed, and a smart bet by the Rams owner. He had a great GM in Les Snead, a proven HC in Sean McVay, and a roster that seemed like it had the wherewithal to get the job done with a few key pieces added. Those guys brough the right QB in at the end, to be the final piece of the puzzle. It worked. And they didn’t suffer incredible amounts of pain on the backside, as their GM was capable enough to manage around it and rebuild smartly and quickly. In the case of the Dolphins, not only do we seemingly have nothing to show for it, but Grier left the team in a terrible spot doing this. Devoid of draft picks and way over the cap. All at the same time when their own key guys are hitting the market, and when Tua’s deal is coming up, which is a big issue to work around in and of itself. Grier left too much to hit, all at once, along with Tua's monster new deal. This is terrible management of the all-in. Way too much risk with consequences that are too severe, the way this all played out with their own talented players coming to market. It was mismanaged, which is no surprise. The all-in didn’t work, and now we are bearing too high a cost the way Grier architected it.

Q: Who do you blame?

A: Primarily Ross in my view. Although Grier stinks, and McDaniel is not ready, and Tua is still a big question mark, Ross is the one who decided to go all in with these variables in play, Grier being the one he had to rely on to execute it, and all the question marks. Although I am OK with a team doing this like the Rams, the Dolphins were not in a place to do it. Again, I wonder if Ross’s age is part of the issue? Did he feel like this was his last shot, or is this just more of the same impetuous behavior as the prior 23 years? At any rate, this was a really bad bet for the Dolphins. The risk/reward was not good. It is akin to taking your life savings, and putting it all on one number on the roulette wheel.

Q: Am I being too pessimistic?

A: No, and potentially yes in practice. First of all, I am making a process point. Sometimes you can do the wrong thing and get lucky and be rewarded for it. But, from a pure how to behave perspective, it has not been good strategy or execution. What we now know is there is no doubt they are forced to shed a bunch of talent from the roster due to the spot they are in. There is also no doubt they have had little in the way of draft capital the last few years. As things stand now, on paper, they are a fair bit less talented than last year. Obviously, the offseason is not done yet. They could pull a rabbit out of the hat. But to rely on the guy to pull this off with negative cap space and few draft picks when he couldn’t pull it off with a lot of draft picks and a lot of cap space seems like a low probability outcome. Fewer injuries could be a potential offset, but that is betting on something random (and the reality is Tua or someone else important could get hurt next year), not to mention it seems like it will be a while before Chubb and Jaelen Phillips will be back to full potential.

Thoughts?

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Wait, you are now interviewing yourself? At least you haven't went full "can't pay Tua as it will cripple the franchise" in the first post like normal. I'll give it another 20 to 30 posts into the thread before we get to that.

Q Were the fins not a play away from a #2 seed and probable playoff win vs Pittsburg ?

A Yes but ignoring that i want to blow it all up and get a new HC and QB

Q Is that the rational thing to do ?

A No but I'll bet it gets a lot of clicks on FH
i have no idea where you come up with this stuff. Direct quote from my post "I am high on McDaniel as a coach." Further you seem to constantly create this artificial construct of positive/negative over content that is observational, dispassionate and objective. A lot of people, like me, like to discuss things. They are interesting issues. Rarely do you seem to address the questions at hand. So in the future I will just ignore this stuff.
 
i have no idea where you come up with this stuff. Direct quote from my post "I am high on McDaniel as a coach." Further you seem to constantly create this artificial construct of positive/negative over content that is observational, dispassionate and objective. A lot of people, like me, like to discuss things. They are interesting issues. Rarely do you seem to address the questions at hand. So in the future I will just ignore this stuff.
Please. You post stuff like this all the time trying to push your agenda and when anyone calls you out on it you play the victim card and claim people just don't understand you and you never said what was actually written. I dunno, maybe you are training to be a politician with all your doublespeak and don't believe what your eyes are reading nonsense that you try to pull.
 
Please. You post stuff like this all the time trying to push your agenda and when anyone calls you out on it you play the victim card and claim people just don't understand you and you never said what was actually written. I dunno, maybe you are training to be a politician with all your doublespeak and don't believe what your eyes are reading nonsense that you try to pull.
Q: When people consistently feel like my posts on this forum are needlessly negative and pushing a particular agenda, could they be right?

A: Of course not, I'm right, everyone else is wrong.

Q: Should I look in the mirror and wonder why so many people are "misunderstanding" me?

A: Never.
 
Q: When people consistently feel like my posts on this forum are needlessly negative and pushing a particular agenda, could they be right?

A: Of course not, I'm right, everyone else is wrong.

Q: Should I look in the mirror and wonder why so many people are "misunderstanding" me?

A: Never.
Q: Why do some people attack the OP and never address the questions at hand or the content of the posts?

A: I dunno. It is interesting how they all behave like pack animals too and like each others posts when they do it and comment back and forth to each other, such that there is more traffic about me than the questions at hand. Doing so probably makes them feel good about themselves. Why, this is probably a question for a therapist. In total, it is somewhat sad and makes me feel a bit sorry for the people doing this. But it is what it is I guess, I just will no longer respond to the trolls
 
It just occurred to me the Bill's are also in a similar boat. They went all in, and are now forced to shed talent. BUT, there are big differences, and I think what they did has proven justified. First of all they won the division 4 or 5 years in a row, and made deep playoff runs. Heck should have made it to the SB except for that Mahomes in 30 seconds thing. They now have 10 draft picks to our 6. They have Josh Allen, who has proven he can do a lot of it on his own, so there is only so bad they can be. The OL and everything else around him does not need to be perfect. And they have a GM that also seems to be pretty savvy. Even though the Bill's did not win the SB or even get there, I think their gamble was a good one with more balanced risk/reward
 
Wait, you are now interviewing yourself? At least you haven't went full "can't pay Tua as it will cripple the franchise" in the first post like normal. I'll give it another 20 to 30 posts into the thread before we get to that.
In due time
 
Q: Why do some people attack the OP and never address the questions at hand or the content of the posts?

A: I dunno. It is interesting how they all behave like pack animals too and like each others posts when they do it and comment back and forth to each other, such that there is more traffic about me than the questions at hand. Doing so probably makes them feel good about themselves. Why, this is probably a question for a therapist. In total, it is somewhat sad and makes me feel a bit sorry for the people doing this. But it is what it is I guess, I just will no longer respond to the trolls

Proceeds to do more self Q&A can’t make this **** up 🤣

Love all of yall man. This site is great
 
I have absolutely no problem with how the team has been built. The Dolphins were one of the most talented teams in the entire league last season but unfortunately injuries to starters on the OL, their two best pass rushers and one of their starting ILB’s severely diminished the roster late in the season and in the playoffs.

While I was not in favor of keeping Grier as the GM when Gase was fired. I believe he has done an excellent job of assembling a very talented team over the last 5 seasons.

I have no problem with McDaniel calling the plays on offense and I believe he will be a better HC and play caller in 2024 than he has been in his first two years in Miami.

I have been a fan of Tua since he was drafted and I believe he is one of the best QB’s in the league. Hopefully next season his OL will remain healthy and Grier and McDaniel will provide him with a better running game and a third WR who is more consistent than the WR’s who played behind Hill and Waddle last year.

The addition of Smith as the new TE is already a great addition by Grier, IMO.
 
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Disagree with OP. McD 100%.

Ross doesn’t meddle in personal decisions. He supports what his GM and coach say they need.

The Tyreek trade was widely talked about by McD first hand. Hill got shopped. Grier informed McD, like he would with any major player on trade block, and McD said he thought Hill was an “untouchable” player and to get him.

Grier molds his approach to his HC. He was building through draft with Flores. As soon as McD got here, he made two huge trade and signs. Grier gets what his coach wants. I don’t think it was a decision to go “all in” as much as two opportunities presented to a rookie HC who didn’t know how to say no yet.
 
Q: Do you believe some teams load up to try and win a Super Bowl, believing they have a short window for various reasons, and feel it is important to go for it fully knowing the bill will come due and the consequences will be felt for a few years?

A: I do.

Q: Do you believe this is a reasonable thing to do?

A: I do not like the idea of doing this, but I understand why some teams might do it. I prefer the strategy of building a very good team that is sustainable, and has a shot year in and year out over a long period of time. I think many bites at the apple gives you better odds of success than one big bite. This is what KC has done, and what the Patriots did.

Q: Do you believe he Dolphins just tried to load up in 2023 to take advantage of Tua being on his last cheap year from his rookie contract?

A: I do.

Q: Whose idea do you think this was?

A: Primarily Steve Ross’s, but my guess is neither McDaniel nor Grier fought him too hard on this one. Ultimately behaving this way is an ownership decision. Even if you believe it wasn’t Ross’s idea, he had to sign off on the approach. Either way, the buck stops with him.

Q: In Miami’s case, was this a reasonable thing to do?

A: In my view, absolutely not. They went all in, with a very weak poker hand. It is almost like they went all in with a bluff. Not advisable. Grier is the one who had to execute this, and in no way had Grier proven he is savvy enough to pull it off. Wrong guy for Ross to make the bet with. Then, although I am high on McDaniel as a coach, he is not there yet and still too green. He has a lot to learn. This process may have begun in 2022, when they had no idea what McDaniel was, because it was his first year. Same thing for Tua at that point. Coming into 2022, he looked pretty shaky. Then, even though he looked good, he spent a fair portion of the year hurt with concussions, to the degree his career was in question. With Tua and McDaniel being question marks, they continued the process in 2022 with the Chubb deal, and then did the Ramsey deal in the 2023 offseason, prior to Tua proving he was a playoff QB and prior to McDaniel showing he had enough seasoning. There just was not enough data to confidently go all in and think you had a good chance of pulling it off, such that the future pain would be worth bearing for the short term high of a Super Bowl run.

Q: How well did they execute the all-in?

A: Poorly in my view. First of all, not a single division title or playoff win. Compare this to the LA Rams, who had a 5 or 6 year run. Two Super Bowls, with one win. Competitive and in the playoffs nearly the whole time. Took a digger after that, but only for two years, and they seem to already have put themselves back into a decent spot. That was well executed, and a smart bet by the Rams owner. He had a great GM in Les Snead, a proven HC in Sean McVay, and a roster that seemed like it had the wherewithal to get the job done with a few key pieces added. Those guys brough the right QB in at the end, to be the final piece of the puzzle. It worked. And they didn’t suffer incredible amounts of pain on the backside, as their GM was capable enough to manage around it and rebuild smartly and quickly. In the case of the Dolphins, not only do we seemingly have nothing to show for it, but Grier left the team in a terrible spot doing this. Devoid of draft picks and way over the cap. All at the same time when their own key guys are hitting the market, and when Tua’s deal is coming up, which is a big issue to work around in and of itself. Grier left too much to hit, all at once, along with Tua's monster new deal. This is terrible management of the all-in. Way too much risk with consequences that are too severe, the way this all played out with their own talented players coming to market. It was mismanaged, which is no surprise. The all-in didn’t work, and now we are bearing too high a cost the way Grier architected it.

Q: Who do you blame?

A: Primarily Ross in my view. Although Grier stinks, and McDaniel is not ready, and Tua is still a big question mark, Ross is the one who decided to go all in with these variables in play, Grier being the one he had to rely on to execute it, and all the question marks. Although I am OK with a team doing this like the Rams, the Dolphins were not in a place to do it. Again, I wonder if Ross’s age is part of the issue? Did he feel like this was his last shot, or is this just more of the same impetuous behavior as the prior 23 years? At any rate, this was a really bad bet for the Dolphins. The risk/reward was not good. It is akin to taking your life savings, and putting it all on one number on the roulette wheel.

Q: Am I being too pessimistic?

A: No, and potentially yes in practice. First of all, I am making a process point. Sometimes you can do the wrong thing and get lucky and be rewarded for it. But, from a pure how to behave perspective, it has not been good strategy or execution. What we now know is there is no doubt they are forced to shed a bunch of talent from the roster due to the spot they are in. There is also no doubt they have had little in the way of draft capital the last few years. As things stand now, on paper, they are a fair bit less talented than last year. Obviously, the offseason is not done yet. They could pull a rabbit out of the hat. But to rely on the guy to pull this off with negative cap space and few draft picks when he couldn’t pull it off with a lot of draft picks and a lot of cap space seems like a low probability outcome. Fewer injuries could be a potential offset, but that is betting on something random (and the reality is Tua or someone else important could get hurt next year), not to mention it seems like it will be a while before Chubb and Jaelen Phillips will be back to full potential.

Thoughts?
Dude the patriots and chiefs had Brady & Mahomes who are basically the 2 best qbs of all time. Beyond having that, there is no way to sustainability in the modern nfl. This isn’t the 1970’s where you had 10 year cores. Nowadays, you have a 4-6 year window. The nfl has been dominated by Brady and Mahomes for the last 25 years. You may get some outliers, but you are kidding yourself with sustainably.

That said, we are currently one of the best teams in the nfl. We were devastated with injuries the past two years. We have the talent to win the Super Bowl next year regardless of the players we will lose. Our edge rushers should be back by the start of the season and we have enough draft picks. Anything past a 2nd rounder probably won’t start anyway. You seem to prefer pessimism. So go hide in your hole and cry because this build isn’t over.
 
Disagree with OP. McD 100%.

Ross doesn’t meddle in personal decisions. He supports what his GM and coach say they need.

The Tyreek trade was widely talked about by McD first hand. Hill got shopped. Grier informed McD, like he would with any major player on trade block, and McD said he thought Hill was an “untouchable” player and to get him.

Grier molds his approach to his HC. He was building through draft with Flores. As soon as McD got here, he made two huge trade and signs. Grier gets what his coach wants. I don’t think it was a decision to go “all in” as much as two opportunities presented to a rookie HC who didn’t know how to say no yet.
umm i said i like mcdaniel. reading comprehension please!
 
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