The Offensive Tackle Mythology Index | Page 8 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

The Offensive Tackle Mythology Index

You mean the line with right tackle Marcus Cannon, who gave up 7 hurries and 2 sacks?

Think they could have used some depth along the entire line? Think Solder's contract helped or hurt in that regard?

Are you serious? If solders there cannons not even playing...and the left tackle vs the broncos goes back to where he should be the right side...let me guess you think if solder plays brady still gets hit that much? Come on man use your noodle

That oline pulled a miami...terrible in both phases to where the pats were playing behind the sticks for 4 quarters vs a pass rush that murders you in situational play

It was miami 2015 all over again except with a better overall scheme and a gronk
 
Are you serious? If solders there cannons not even playing...and the left tackle vs the broncos goes back to where he should be the right side...let me guess you think if solder plays brady still gets hit that much? Come on man use your noodle

That oline pulled a miami...terrible in both phases to where the pats were playing behind the sticks for 4 quarters vs a pass rush that murders you in situational play

It was miami 2015 all over again except with a better overall scheme and a gronk

Rush linebacker Von Miller dropped into coverage a season-high nine times and even intercepted a pass. When Miller wasn’t in coverage, he and DeMarcus Ware were manning the edge while Derek Wolfe and/or Malik Jackson squeezed the interior line. Throw in the occasional inside linebacker blitz and you get a combined 41 sacks, hits and hurries.

“It was wonderful, matching that coverage up with that rush—that’s our defense at its best,” said Broncos cornerback Aqib Talib. “We weren’t going to show up and do the exact same thing we did during the season. We knew they were game-planning for what we did last time.”

Key personnel changes made it possible.

While the world was factoring Edelman’s absence from that Week 12 contest as one of the biggest reasons the Patriots would get revenge, all of us failed to recognize the other, more glaring non-participant two months ago: The Imperishable DeMarcus Ware. With the 33-year-old Ware sidelined by a lingering back injury that week, the Patriots were able to concentrate on neutralizing Miller. This time around, with Ware back in the lineup, Bill Belichick chose take his chances spreading the field and asking Brady to make quick throws. Supplementary pass blockers Steven Jackson, Brandon Bolden, James White and Rob Gronkowski were asked to support the starting five only twice; one pass-blocking snap for Jackson, and one for White...

About that line. Its leader, offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo, reportedly was relieved of his duties Monday, in a move reminiscent of Packers special teams coach Shawn Slocum getting canned after Brandon Bostick’s onside kick glitch a year ago. But before you pass blame on DeGuglielmo, don't miss the forest for the trees.

Yes, the line was dealt a devastating blow when starting tackle Nate Solder tore his right biceps in Week 5. But Super Bowl teams are supposed to build depth through the draft, supplemented by free agency. And Patriots coach Bill Belichick is supposed to be the guy prepared for every contingency, the guy thinking three steps ahead of everybody else…

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/25/tom-brady-denver-broncos-defense-nfl-playoffs

If you put all your eggs in one basket don't act shocked when you end up with broken shells.
 
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/25/tom-brady-denver-broncos-defense-nfl-playoffs

If you put all your eggs in one basket don't act shocked when you end up with broken shells.

Teams 3rd tackles suck all the time...ask aaron rodgers what he thinks of his...you arent reinventing the wheel here its hard enough to find two quality tackles let alone a 3rd...plenty of teams hopes revolve on starting tackle health

Minnesota lost its starting right tackle in the preseason even they plugged their 2nd round rookie pick there with the physical tools that require a high pick investment in the first place and he righted the ship...

You arent gonna carry but 3 true tackles period the rest of your oline depth has to have position versatility...ie more suited for guard or the pivot...more likely its right tackle and guard versatility

Still an argument of spending money on a quality tackle or a high pick left tackle qb blind side especially is a bad investment is chalk full of holes
 
Keep this in mind too spesh...in new england and miami because of the slot wrs we are talking about teams who want to live in 11 personnel...by design even...that means you are going to run with a lot of 5 man protections you damn well better invest in your starting tackles and they damn well better be able to get the job done
 
You're missing Pouncey in your original post. I believe he was the first round pick in 2010?
 
Teams 3rd tackles suck all the time...ask aaron rodgers what he thinks of his...you arent reinventing the wheel here its hard enough to find two quality tackles let alone a 3rd...plenty of teams hopes revolve on starting tackle health

Minnesota lost its starting right tackle in the preseason even they plugged their 2nd round rookie pick there with the physical tools that require a high pick investment in the first place and he righted the ship...

You arent gonna carry but 3 true tackles period the rest of your oline depth has to have position versatility...ie more suited for guard or the pivot...more likely its right tackle and guard versatility

Still an argument of spending money on a quality tackle or a high pick left tackle qb blind side especially is a bad investment is chalk full of holes

The Dolphins have plugged in high draft picks/signings into our line on numerous occasions. And here we are.
 
You're missing Pouncey in your original post. I believe he was the first round pick in 2010?

I had originally intended to focus on our tackle position, due to the nature of that free agency period, but included guard because people were nervous about it at the time(and now) and wishing to draft Zach Martin to plug into that position for the short term. Center was supposedly locked down, so i kept him off.

Admittedly i forgot about that when i bumped this thread, so i removed Samson Satele from the second list i posted.
 
The thick skulled prioritization of the left tackle continues to be a litmus test on progressive thinking about the NFL. Times have changed. In the old school NFL, offenses were "right handed". Most tight ends were in the mold of a third offensive tackle and they lined up to the right, which meant running plays tended to go to the right. Those same tight ends -- lumbering and slow footed as they were -- also often stayed in to block on most pass plays. Combining those two factors -- an emphasis on run blocking with help being offered on pass plays -- meant the template for a right tackle was a physical, road grader type who could get away with having mediocre feet.

But that's not the NFL anymore. First off, NFL teams are no longer predominantly right handed in the running game. Football Outsiders tracks this. The splits for running direction in 2015 were

Left end: 11%
Left tackle: 13%
Center/guard: 53%
Right tackle: 13%
Right end: 10%

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

There's a chicken and the egg argument to be made about whether the "right handedness" of the running game has ended because the modern tight end is an athletic pass catcher rather than a blocker or whether the switch to that kind of tight end is what stopped the dominance of running to the right. But either way, it's ended. And the league-wide hunger for that type of pass catching tight end also means that most tight ends no longer stay in to pass block, which means that right tackles are now just as much on an island as left tackles.

Defensive coordinators have been much quicker to react to this new paradigm than offensive coordinators and front office people, who continue to value left tackles with top 10 picks and right tackles far later in the draft (and in free agency). That's why you see many of the premier pass rushers in the modern NFL rushing from the offense's right. Guys like Von Miller, Khalil Mack, JJ Watt, Carlos Dunlap and our own Cameron Wake rush predominantly from that side.

And if that wasn't enough the NFL is now also a short passing league. Bubble screens are the new sweeps. Quick throws to slot receivers the new halfback dive. On those plays there isn't even time to rush from the outside no matter how fast you are. That's made interior pressure even more important than outside pressure. Dick LeBeau was one of the first to realize this and pioneer the double A gap blitz, and the variability an odd numbered front offers you with bringing pressure is part of the reason why odd fronts have made a big comeback. Those pressures -- identifying them and dealing with them and being able to make shotgun snap after shotgun snap while being blind to what you're doing -- is why center is the premium offensive line position today.

Interestingly, the importance of pass rushing athletes at defensive tackle (to combat the quick passing game) has also led to a decrease in the quality of offensive guard play throughout the league. Not that long ago guards were considered worthy of top 10 selections. People forget that John Hannah was the fourth overall pick. John Elway was traded in large part for a guard, Chris Hinton, who had also been selected #4 overall. Some of that has to do with the decrease in "power" schemes that utilize a pulling guard on snap after snap. But a bigger reason for the shift is the selection bias taking place in the high schools and colleges. These days if you're a very good athlete but not the prototype of a tackle or a defensive end, very few programs will make you a guard. They'll make you a DT. In other words, it's not that there are no more Chris Hintons or John Hannahs, it's that those men would have been made defensive tackles today, just as Ndamukong Suh was. That selection bias has made the guard play throughout the league absolutely horrible. Of the 64 starting guards in the league, perhaps only half of those are worthy NFL starters.

Eventually offensive coordinators and front office people will catch up to these trends and scale back the value they place on left tackles and scale up the value of the other offensive linemen. I wish we were smart enough to get ahead of the curve, but the concrete bullheadedness of received wisdom remains strong.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The Dolphins have plugged in high draft picks/signings into our line on numerous occasions. And here we are.

well you do got to draft guys that can play and we've done a horrible job of that up until recently at least...albert can play he just can't stay healthy but we knew that when we signed him :idk:
 
Back
Top Bottom