GoonBoss
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I'd be offended by that remark.......If I wasn't a neo....neaao.....However it's spelled.
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I'd be offended by that remark.......If I wasn't a neo....neaao.....However it's spelled.
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i'm not trying to offend anyone but that cave man crap when it comes to an oline or ot's value is rediculous...they rate these guys and draft them accordingly cause of how they grade out head to head vs every other prospect for the most part...unless you reach and well we have done plenty of that in the past...
if someone doesnt agree with it fine but don't try and tell me that a top 20 bpa olineman is worth less than another position player who carries the same grade as a prospect...they draft these guys as high as they do for a reason...and it's not cause they are 3rd round guys bumped up into the top 10 as prospects...
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Clearly we want to draft people that will make the Fins a success. Looking round the league at the most successful teams nearly all if not all spend 1st round picks on their oline, so what is the problem? Have the Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, 49ers etc. etc. got it wrong, of course they haven't. If a RT is going to make a significant difference in keeping Tannehill on his feet and as a result lead to more wins then I'm all for it. At 19 Zach Martin would be good value and fill an important need for us, I don't care if we go for playmakers early or playmakers late, the only important thing is hitting on your picks.
hoops
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it's all good i like gonzo...
No need to double down on making mistakes just because we've been making mistakes in free agency and the draft for years... including this year. If you do the right thing and the smart thing eventually you'll get ahead of the eight ball. It might cause problems this year with a hole here or there but I gotta be honest... I'm not expecting much out of this year.
"Bpa" doesn't really mean anything, imo. More to the point, everyone has their own definition for what it means, and that includes their subjective view of how important the position is. If you've got the same grade on a nickle corner as you have on a pass rusher and you've got a need at nickle corner you'd be a fool to take the corner no matter how many pass rushers you have. The value of the positions just isn't remotely equal.
The offensive line as a group is absolutely vital to the success of the team but the way the game is played now you need a group, not one or two elite players and then a bunch of scrubs. You're better off aiming for good to average on the OL and saving the elite players for the elite positions. Of course if you hit on everything you can take any strategy you want. But saving the elite picks for the elite positions is playing the percentages the smart way.
I know full well our oline was garbage. I never claimed otherwise. I just don't believe it takes reaching for whatever lineman we can get our hands on to fix it. Maybe I'm not stressing it enough, but I wouldn't be upset if we took Martin, I just feel other skill positions present greater value at the spot for the Dolphins. This is, of course, based on the reality that Robinson and Matthews won't be available.
The caveman talk was me trying to communicate on the level of my one man audience who wasn't capable of comprehending me. For example, I disagree with spike regarding taking XSF, but I don't think he's an idiot for his opinion and certainly see no reason to speak to him on that level. Those that would rather take potshots at me rather than discuss the topic? Well, that's another story.
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hoops
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so a nickle corner who plays like 60 percent of the snaps in your defense anyways is less valuable than a like 4th pass rusher option when you have 3 in front of him already if they have the same grade??? nickle corner is damn valuable in todays game...one guys playing the others sitting and waiting his turn and you want me to take the pass rusher...oddest thing i've heard in a while
as for the approach i think we want the best 7 olineman we can get...we need 5 starters at least...i want the best unit in that starting 5 i can get...that doesnt mean every year i got to auto go in with the approach of oline obviously come hell or high water with my top pick but coming off 2013 and what i saw from our unit you bet your ass i'm gonna be all things being equal grade wise running some oline cards up there...i'm not saying either first 2 days all 3 picks oline or anything like that i'm saying if the grades are equal and i got a need like we do oline wise i'm turning in the card...til i at least feel like i got some confidence in the unit going into 2014 future wise...
whatever keeps my qb from eating meals thru a straw or i think will help with that i am damn sure gonna do...
these teams by the way can tell ya we are best player available all the way it's what we do every time and i will tell you that's a bunch of bs...they draft needs all the time with similar grades over other position players cause they must fill spots...all the time...i laugh when i hear that stuff...how do you guys think you can look at a teams needs and justify on a mock pretty much who they will choose from...all things being equal they have a massive need they gonna fill it...
If you would take the nickle corner over the pass rusher then that pretty much says it all. I'm not saying that nickle corners aren't valuable, but the difference between having an elite or good nickle corner versus an average nickle corner is marginal compared to the difference between having an elite or good pass rusher versus an average one.
For the top positions you absolutely be looking ahead and stacking players where you can. The worst case scenario is you have two or three top flight pass rushers versus one or two, which isn't a worst case at all. A top pass rusher is going to make a way bigger impact playing a third of the time than a top nickle corner is going to make playing 60% of the time.
That Ryan guy had quesion marks then and still has question marks now - i think you confuse Long for A Rodgers in fact that's the pick that set us back ->Ronnie Brown over A Rodgers
Ryan = bad -> that cast he had the past 3 years was tremendous -> PHENOMENAL
If he picks Martin, I won't be upset, I'll just think it was a mediocre team making a mediocre pick. If he reaches for XSF or Moses, on the other hand,.
I actually would be against Martin at 19 more than even you seem to be. Not because I think he's a bad player, but because if we take a tackle in the first round of this year's draft, I have to assume that whoever that player is will be playing right tackle for at least the next two to three years, if not the entire five of Albert's contract. Not that I want Moses at 19 either (I, like Spesh, would be very excited about Beckham Jr), but I agree with the assessment CK did a few weeks ago regarding Martin vs Moses.
CKParrothead said:
Thanks to the Original Poster....Great write up! I may not agree with everything, but I do appreciate the effort! If possible, I would like to trade into the 20's with a team that wants to move up (San Fran??) and pick up extra picks. Because, like many have said, either with the OL, secondary, or LB's we need more than one stud player. Having more picks in this deep draft would be the way I would like to approach this draft.
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WOW Z, I have seen very few posts "cross the line" here but, this is one. NO need for that. JMO
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That's not very nice. Ya know GB, you are my second most favorite poster on FH.
Everyone else here is tied for first. lol
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With respect, I don't believe that one bit. Considering what we started with before FA, I think he has done pretty well. I think we all, myself included, sometimes think that we are the only team who wants to sign someone and when we don't it's a colossal failure. I would think there are many reasons why someone may choose NOT to sign with the Dolphins and some of those reasons may not involve the team whatsoever. Only time will tell, of course, but from what I gather, Hickey -along with Philbin and Lazor - has actually started changing the culture of the team. Unlike with Ireland, there seems to be a plan in place the whole organization supports. It will take time for our new OL to gel, and for our guys to learn the new offense, but I think we will be much better this year. There is a positive energy around the team. As for the draft, he can't win. People are going to complain no matter what the guy does.