Todd McShay's Mock Draft

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  1. Farmer

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    BP will never reach
     
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    At 21 Tate very well could be BPA. Especially if they feel they can get a good backer later. Tate would be a helluva pick at 21.
     
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    Keep an eye on Dan Williams, NT out of Tennessee.
     
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    Won't happen. Parcells thankfully isn't the type to reach. I'll take Jerry Hughes please.
     
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    Not sure why people are calling it a reach. Tate is easily the second best WR in the draft. He's a late first round pick. If we pick at #21 could you see anyone else to take? I couldn't.

    I like the pick. I like it a lot.
     
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    Golden Tate isn't much of a reach at 21.

    I'd actually love to get Bryant in FA and Tate. That would be an insane #1 adn 2 along wiht Bess, Hartline, Ginn, and Cam to fill out the 3/4/5 spot. Can you imagine the numbers Henne and this offense will put up with R.Brown and Ricky as well?

    If I am the F.O. I'd drop cash on Bryant, Daniels/Sheffler and if I can Dansby then go 2 OLBs, 1 CB, 1 WR, 1 NT, and 1 ILB in the draft.

    THis will 100% allow you to select BPA also filling needs at the same time.
     
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    Thats a point and a half right there. Bryant could be a pro bowler cornerstone, but he isn't a no miss number 1. Bryant as the 1 along with Hartline, Cam and Tate mixing it up as the 2 with Bess as the 3 would be a great O for a long time. Tate does everything Ginn can do on ST, so we can cut Ginn lose.
     
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    i'd take benn if we're talking the 2nd best wr for us...but i have a high 2nd round grade on tate

    i just like what others have said that we could scheme to take advantage of benns skill set easier and i agree
     
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    I'd take Jerry Hughes over Tate and address WR via FA and the 2nd or 3rd Round.
     
  11. utahphinsfan

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    Hughes or Sergio Kindle if McClain is off the board.
     
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    I'd rather focus on other positions in Free Agency and go after Tate or Benn if we get the chance. Tate is going to be a stud. A lot like Desean Jackson. I think we can all agree we could use someone like that in Miami.
     
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    I'm fine with Tate. He shows all the traits that make up a great WR.

    There are a ton of LB's in FA this year worth getting. For the love of everything that is good, sign one of them! Take Tate with 1st rounder. That's a good start.
     
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    ugh, I don't like the pick . . . . we need to go defense, defense, defense.
     
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    I'm with Kdawg954 here. We need some beef up front, especially in the middle. Either NT or MLB.
     
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    Bill Parcells won't reach? How do you guys explain the Pat White pick then? We ALL knew that was a reach when it happened and he's been worthless this year. I'd prefer Hughes over Tate. This team needs youth on defense and particularly LB bad.
     
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    Sign a free agent WR, and a free agent LB. And draft best available defensive player in the first, hopefully Hughes.
     
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    look at parcells history, he doesnt take WR in round 1.
     
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    I think we'll take someone like Spikes or McClain if they fall to us in Round 1, then get a WR in Round 2.
     
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    I think if Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain are gone, first thing the Fins will do is try to trade down.

    If they cannot do that, I actually believe that Tate would be the pick. They missed out on Nicks last year (who I really wanted), this year they probably need to get a true #1 to help a young QB like Henne, and Tate is a playmaker.
     
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    I tend to go with this.
     
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    We didnt miss out on anything. They were going Davis and Smith all the way.
     
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    I dont think anyone should write off Pat White. This regime has an MO of sticking to their guys and changing up the offense from week to week. They tend to think that if they wait another offseason where most rookies dont produce much, particularly if your in a "specialist" position, then things start to happen.

    obviously, if PW goes blank next year, then they will move on.
     
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    First post back:

    I hate Tate in the 1st. I think he's a good #2. You'd don't draft #2's in the 1st, and you don't draft #2's when all you have is #2 and #3 WR's. If we don't land the big-time FA, look for us to draft A. Benn, B. Lafell, or Denario Alexander in the 2nd or 3rd.

    McClain and D. Bryant will be long gone by the time we draft.

    I don't like S. Kindle as a 3-4 OLB. He's athletic, and he moves well laterally, but he doesn't penetrate well. Opinions seem to differ in regard to Brandon Graham - some have him drafted in the top 10; this mock doesn't have him in the 1st. Either way, I think he's the very best SSOLB in the draft (Hughes would be 2nd). In my time off, I posted a brief analysis of Kindle, Sapp, Hughes, and Graham (will probably post it sometime):

    http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/12/19/1208898/brief-overview-of-olb-prospects
     
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    Mccalin spikes wont last till where we are now.
    I think we go Gresham round 1 where we are right now spot wise. He wiill prob last until end of round 1 so I see him as our 1st pick.
     
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    I personally think if we can land one of the good safeties coming out in free agency, our offseason will be a success.

    After that, take the best TE, ILB, or NT that falls to us in the first round.
     
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    Tell that to Mark Ingram and Terry Glenn. I know the back story of Glenn, but he worked out fine nonetheless.
     
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    If we do draft a WR in the 1st, it had better damn well be A. Benn.
     
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    the thing with Graham is people think he's too small to be a full time OLB similar to LaMar Woodley. Graham is listed at 6'2 but is probably a little shorter than that, but you can't deny his production.

    Kindle was great as a rush LB as a junior, but struggled A LOT this year as a DE.
     
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    He reminds me a lot of Woodley. Also, he's the strongest of the OLB prospects, and he would be a GREAT SSOLB. I see Hughes as either WSOLB or SSOLB. I wouldn't mind drafting Hughes in the 1st and Graham in the 2nd - knowing how the FO likes to draft in pairs. Then, Micah Johnson could be there for us in the 3rd.
     
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    i think after watching hughes tape he's more a weakside only guy...but i think he's the best pure pass rusher of the bunch and maybe the draft

    i'll tell you what though...pull the utah tcu game tape from this season and hughes was a one man wrecking crew...a monster

    i like brandon graham also and he reminds me of woodley as well at solb but i agree with others who say graham is listed at 6 ft 2 and i'll be shocked if he measures out at much more than just over 6 ft at the combine...which i think will hurt him with our front office...but he play with great leverage and power

    i also think graham and hughes are both first round grades
     
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    I'm extremely high on Brandon Graham....I've watched his matchup with Bryan Bulaga several times and Graham destroyed him...

    Much like Antoino Coleman...I'm not convinced Graham isn't best suited as a 4-3 defensive end....but this certainly bears keeping a close eye on when these guys are asked to perform in linebacker drills..

    Kindle is easily one of my top "transition" guys....he's not a polished pass rusher....but he's adept at playing the run and it's almost impossible to get the outside on him...

    Kindle will make a pretty seamless transition to OLB in a 3-4 defense IMO....he's experienced playing in a 2-point stance since he played LB in a 4-3 last year.....he could use some work rushing the passer with his hand on the ground...

    Jerry Hughes = Stud OLB....the top prospect IMO of all the guys expected to make the transition from DE to OLB in the NFL...
     
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    here's a question i have...

    what are peoples views on cameron wake developing into the long term successor to joey porter on the weakside??? it would be nice if we could see him take some reps in these last 2 games on the weakside to see how he looks...i know he's stiff in his pass drop and doesn't show great awareness in pass coverage but i'd like to see him some more...and to see him vs the run

    the reason i ask is if he is only viewed long term as the situational pass rusher lined up as an end with his hand on the ground jerry hughes is a guy i think we all should be looking at very hard as the weakside backer for the next decade...

    thoughts???

    does anyone have any word on how the regime views him long term or are we pretty much seeing what he'll always be already???
     
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    I don't know if they view him as the eventual long term replacement on the weakside....but I think they certainly view him as a guy that can flat out get after the quarterback in certain packages...

    Personally, I think his long term role is as a backup pass rusher....a guy you need on your team...

    He also earns his playing time IMO (unlike some)..seems like he's always the first guy down on special teams and making tackles....especially yesterday...
     
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    well then jerry hughes needs to be a dolphin...period...if he's available
     
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    i think wake has tons of potential. we won't know how he'll do against the run or in coverage until we let him do it - which we should - and soon. it's hard to say one way or the other when he only comes in on passing downs to rush the quarterback.

    porter is pretty damn one dimensional - awful against the run and mediocre in coverage. but he's out there starting b/c he's a threat to get to the QB every time - well at least he used to be - or is when healthy. i think wake is at least that good - he is an absolutely incredible blitzer - and he's still extremely raw. nowhere to go but up. i think he'll be starting for us real soon.

    i don't like the possible 3-4 OLB's this draft. not at all. hughes is basically the only one i have any confidence in. i kind of like norwood and lang - but they still have question marks to me. there were SO many last year that i wanted - and have done great so far this year. there's a few deep positions on D every year - last year was OLB. the year before was CB. this year will be either S or DT. not saying none of the OLB's will be any good - just that the pickins are slim.
     
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    i saw wake in the preseason do some coverage drop reps and he looked lost...but it was all new to him so it's hard to say how he'll be...he looked a little stiff to me also

    imo porter has got to go...i think he's pretty much done...for my eyes most of his pressures and sacks this year have come from either inside pressure forcing the qb to him...coverage sacks..coming completely unblocked or wake forcing the qb up inside where porter can make the play...i just don't see any explosion off the snap and too many times he's just doing a dance with the tackle...

    i watched some stuff on brandon lang and i wasn't impressed...i think he loses the ball too much and while strong doesn't always play that way...i saw one 4th down short yardage play where he was completely blown like 5 yards off the ball and i want to say it was by a te...
     
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    I think Joey Porter only drops into coverage on like 15% of pass reps, so the coverage thing is a little overblown to me when it comes to Wake.

    I like Dexter Davis as a LB in this system, potentially a SOLB.
     
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    I don't think that Woodley is much taller than Graham, if at all.
     
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    porter is done. way done. but that's okay b/c with probably around 10 sacks at the end of the year he'll still have trade value. someone will give us a 3rd or 4th for him. i was just using that comparison b/c wake is at least as good as porter - who is starting for us right now. why not wake? i think wake would easily have double digit sacks if was starting/had more playing time.

    yeah, the OLB's this year are weak. i don't even know if i could come up with a top 5 list this year - that's how bad i think they are. hughes will be a stud ... but that may be about it. looking back at last year - with the likes of sintim, english, cushing, matthews, orakpo. kruger, barwin, etc. - this year ain't even close.
     

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