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Why there is no question about Ryan Tannehill and his $17.5 million

dolphintodd said:
That is the problem. He needs a good OL because when a play breaksdown he is a deer in the headlights. Does he throw the ball well on the run on a plannes roll out or run the ball well on a planned run... yes. But he offers very little on a pass play that breaks down.
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EVERY QB NEEDS A GOOD OL

And yes, that needed caps.
 
allsilverdreams said:
RT has never been behind an average offensive line.
We have ignored the one thing that makes a qb great.or at least gives them a shot at being great.
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Albert Romano said:
Most QB's do not perform well or consistency with pressure - almost regularly from an inept OL.

People make it seem like its ok - not to have an adequate OL. Also, Jay's stats prove it was mostly him doing the work - not this OL.
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If this issue were as influential as it's portrayed to be above, then one should expect the figure for Tannehill in the column entitled "DVOA no Pressure" on the following page:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2015

...to be much higher, and for Tannehill to be at an extreme in the column entitled "DVOA Difference."

One should expect him to be more like Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, who show dramatic improvements in their play when under no pressure.

When there is a relatively small improvement in play when under no pressure, one should hardly consider pressure to be the primary culprit in undermining a particular QB's performance.
 
<O> said:
If this issue were as influential as it's portrayed to be above, then one should expect the figure for Tannehill in the column entitled "DVOA no Pressure" on the following page:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2015

...to be much higher, and for Tannehill to be at an extreme in the column entitled "DVOA Difference."

One should expect him to be more like Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, who show dramatic improvements in their play when under no pressure.

When there is a relatively small improvement in play when under no pressure, one should hardly consider pressure to be the primary culprit in undermining a particular QB's performance.
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Last season, Tannehill posted a passer rating of 49.1 when under pressure, which ranked seventh-worst of all 33 quarterbacks with at least 200 pass attempts. When operating from a clean pocket, Tannehill’s passer rating of 116.6 ranked fourth-best. This 67.5-point differential between these two numbers was the largest among all quarterbacks last season.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...atter-ryan-tannehill-struggles-under-pressure

Amazing how we can find things to support a narrative.

Was Ryan playing good ball or not before the injury under Gase?
 
<O> said:
If this issue were as influential as it's portrayed to be above, then one should expect the figure for Tannehill in the column entitled "DVOA no Pressure" on the following page:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2015

...to be much higher, and for Tannehill to be at an extreme in the column entitled "DVOA Difference."

One should expect him to be more like Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, who show dramatic improvements in their play when under no pressure.

When there is a relatively small improvement in play when under no pressure, one should hardly consider pressure to be the primary culprit in undermining a particular QB's performance.
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Where does "pissing blood" factor in to this witches brew of manipulated statistics?
 
Vaark said:
Where does "pissing blood" factor in to this witches brew of manipulated statistics?
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Hold on vaark, I'd like to see his reply on the post above yours. Because his narrative is circling the drain.
 
Albert Romano said:
Last season, Tannehill posted a passer rating of 49.1 when under pressure, which ranked seventh-worst of all 33 quarterbacks with at least 200 pass attempts. When operating from a clean pocket, Tannehill’s passer rating of 116.6 ranked fourth-best. This 67.5-point differential between these two numbers was the largest among all quarterbacks last season.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...atter-ryan-tannehill-struggles-under-pressure

Amazing how we can find things to support a narrative.

Was Ryan playing good ball or not before the injury under Gase?
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Thank you for that info. I wasn't aware that any 2016 data were available.

I did find this as well:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016

Do you see anything concerning there?
 
Sons Of Shula said:
Sure do. We really need to fix our offensive line problems.
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None of that data from 2015 or 2016 indicates that the offensive line surrendered a frequency of pressure meaningfully different from the league norm.

One could argue of course that the line surrendered a more disruptive type of pressure, but it's difficult to reconcile that with the fact that it surrendered a frequency of pressure that wasn't meaningfully different from the league norm.

A line that's poor enough to surrender a more disruptive type of pressure would also be expected, theoretically, to surrender a comparatively greater frequency of pressure.

In theory, a line wouldn't open up like a floodgate when it does open up, without also opening up more often. Either the players on the line are that poor, or they aren't.
 
<O> said:
None of that data from 2015 or 2016 indicates that the offensive line surrendered a frequency of pressure meaningfully different from the league norm.

One could argue of course that the line surrendered a more disruptive type of pressure, but it's difficult to reconcile that with the fact that it surrendered a frequency of pressure that wasn't meaningfully different from the league norm.

A line that's poor enough to surrender a more disruptive type of pressure would also be expected, theoretically, to surrender a comparatively greater frequency of pressure.

In theory, a line wouldn't open up like a floodgate when it does open up, without also opening up more often. Either the players on the line are that poor, or they aren't.
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You cant analyze a game from the box score. This response (and just about every other post of yours in this thread) is equivalent to that.
 
Sons Of Shula said:
You cant analyze a game from the box score. This response is equivalent to that.
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Are you saying you can determine with precision and certainty how the Dolphins' line, in terms of pass blocking, has compared to the lines of the rest of the league with observation alone? If so, how is that accomplished?
 
Sons Of Shula said:
You cant analyze a game from the box score. This response (and just about every other post of yours in this thread) is equivalent to that.
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Also, I beg to differ about box scores. One can derive a great deal from a box score.

For example, give me the passer rating and turnover differentials alone, and I'll tell you which team won and the margin of victory with relative precision.
 
<O> said:
So then everyone with eyes should agree. Why don't they?
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You can't be ****ing serious.

Tell me what you know about pass protection. Technique, scheme, the whole kit and caboodle.
 
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