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Adrian McPherson????

Melbourne,

If we drafted him and he turns out to be a good player, but an even citizen I'll be glad to come back and tell you that you had read him perfectly and you were exactly right. I just remember, before I knew about Fin heaven, posting on other sites and arguing , just like you are now, that Cecil cleaned up his act and was going to be a great citizen and future hall of famer. I was wrong about him so I'm skeptical. As I said before past actions are a good indicator of future actions which has been shown many different times in the sports world. I also want to note that I do agree that AD is the most physically gifted QB in this draft, I don't question that.

MelbournePhin said:
i hope we draft him and he quiets his doubters. some of you guys act like you have been saints your whole life. most of you are hypocrites
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Also I'm the furthest thing from a saint:D !!!!!
 
In 2004 (the year the Mcpherson guys love to say "he threw 65 touchdowns, whoopee!!") the Passing TD leader was some guy named Clint Dolezel (Las Vegas Gladiators). He threw for 93 Td's and 12 interceptions. Maybe he should go into the NFL draft??? As a matter of fact, this guy has thrown for over 80 TD's the last 6 years in a row. Kinda makes McPherson look, well, average. Average for an AFL Qb even.
 
D-bolt said:
Melbourne,

If we drafted him and he turns out to be a good player, but an even citizen I'll be glad to come back and tell you that you had read him perfectly and you were exactly right. I just remember, before I knew about Fin heaven, posting on other sites and arguing , just like you are now, that Cecil cleaned up his act and was going to be a great citizen and future hall of famer. I was wrong about him so I'm skeptical. As I said before past actions are a good indicator of future actions which has been shown many different times in the sports world. I also want to note that I do agree that AD is the most physically gifted QB in this draft, I don't question that.
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I agree with most of what you said.
What alot of folks dont see here is that only certain teams are willing to drop big coin on a guy with a smeared past. Its about business. I believe that if he can stay focused long enough, he will be a decent NFL QB. Not great, but decent. Anyone who would draft him before the fourth round is taking a real gamble. ( But then again, there are no sure things....not even the first overall pick.....). Basically, the way I see him is a project that could produce some real offensive firepower for the Dolphins should he be able to stay away from South Beach every weekend. Oh, and no quick trips to the riverboat Casinos either. :wink:
 
fishypete said:
If you think that the arena league has more talent than college....then why don't the teams in the NFL draft from the arena league....the answer is simple...college is were the talent is....the arena league is where the players who couldn't get drafted or couldn't make it in the NFL go to make a living.
NFLE is more alike the minors system....I wonder what that makes the arena league....Pee Wee? They don't play anything like pro NFL football in the arena....anyone who watch's it once knows that.
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Yes, but the players in the AFL did goto college to play ball. That is why I say the arena league has more talent for the most part. And the NFL picks players up out of the AFL all the time. Not that they are stars or great players, but some of them are starters or quality back-ups. Then you have the every now and then success story like Warner or Orande. I think the NFLE and AFL arent THAT far off in talent drop off, but hey, I could be totally wrong....
 
Wait, wait. I was wrong (but not by much).

The leading Qb in 2004 was....

Tony Graziani 99 Td's and 5 Int's. a 126 QB rating.

how bout Marc Grieb, he had an incredible 72% completion percentage. and a near perfect 133.5 QB rating!!!

McPherson's 119 Qb rating, 65 TD passes, and 59% completion percentage is rather pedestrian in the Arena League.
 
I cant believe with out situation and needs people would consider a 2nd round pick on a risk rather than a player who could solidly contribute.

You dont spend second round picks on projects, and if you spend a 3rd round pick on a project you pretty much have no holes to fill. We arent even close to being in that boat.

Adrian McPhereson = Don McPhereson with a real bad rap sheet and zero college experience. (And i liked Don McPhereson, but he obviously wasnt an NFL caliber QB)
 
Heh, this topic was a steamroller until I posted those AFL stats. Funny how facts get in the way.
 
airattack317 said:
Mailbag: McPherson is far more of a risk than Clarett
April 14, 2005

Dan Pompei
Sporting News


I don't understand why you don't think Adrian McPherson would be a good late-round pick for the Cowboys or any team. You say his playing ability has not justified the hype he has received, but this guy was a Mr. Football of his state in high school and Mr. Basketball. He showed some things when he did get the chance to play at FSU.

Plus, last year in the Arena League he had 65 touchdowns to five interceptions. It might not be the NFL, but that to me is pretty good in any league. He also had a good showing at the Combine and in his private workout. Yeah, he has some baggage, but so does Maurice Clarett, who you say has considerable potential under his prospect analysis.

So why take a chance on Clarett, who didn't even play anywhere last two years and had some legal issues himself? Plus, his Combine workout was a bust after walking off the field after his slow time in the 40. And why do you not take a chance on McPherson in the late rounds?

I am not saying McPherson is or isn't going to be a star, but with a weak QB class compared to other years, he could be worth the risk in the late rounds.
-- Frank Rudolf,
Monticello, Iowa

Frank:

If I were doing the drafting, I wouldn't touch McPherson because of the character concerns. It isn't fair to compare McPherson's baggage with Clarett's baggage. There is baggage, and then there is baggage.

Let's review: McPherson was charged with gambling on his own team's games. He was charged with stealing a blank check and cashing it. He was kicked off his college team. Clarett might not be Mother Theresa, but he is not a criminal. Furthermore, McPherson is far from a sure thing at quarterback, as some have made him out to be. He barely played at Florida State, having failed to beat out Chris Rix, a quarterback who might not get drafted.

I don't want to hear about what McPherson did in the Arena League. In the 19-team league, 15 quarterbacks who made the minimum number of attempts completed a higher percentage of their passes. Seven threw for more yards per game. And three had a better passer rating. No one is talking about Mark Grieg, Tony Graziani or Clint Dolezel about being the next Michael Vick, are they? They outperformed McPherson in nearly every category.

At this point, McPherson is more of an athlete than a quarterback and didn't test anywhere near as spectacularly at the Combine as some thought he might. At best, he is a developmental prospect with some interesting tools. But in my estimation, developmental prospects aren't worth your time unless you can trust them.

Dan:
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Sporting news has the worst football writers known, and that is a fact.
 
MoFinz said:
I cant believe with out situation and needs people would consider a 2nd round pick on a risk rather than a player who could solidly contribute.

You dont spend second round picks on projects, and if you spend a 3rd round pick on a project you pretty much have no holes to fill. We arent even close to being in that boat.

Adrian McPhereson = Don McPhereson with a real bad rap sheet and zero college experience. (And i liked Don McPhereson, but he obviously wasnt an NFL caliber QB)
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Well name a couple people who are sure fire picks in round 2. If you can prove to me that there is someone who you know of that will come in and solidly contribute, then awesome. But the draft is a crapshoot, rounds 1-7, you have no clue who will be a diamond,a bust, or even an average player.
 
TeeMoney said:
Heh, this topic was a steamroller until I posted those AFL stats. Funny how facts get in the way.
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2 things:

1) I did realize stats were a bit infalted in the AFL, didnt know about the 99tds in a season(that is crazy). But also put into considerationg that was like Mcpherson rookie year in AFL.

2) I dont care what his stats were honestly. I have seen this kid play since he was 17 y/o and have tried to followed him a bit. I'm not one that is sold on stats, I would much rather watch him play and determine something from that, which I have and I still feel he is going to be a steal in this draft.
 
"The experience is the only factor he lacks," DeBerg said. "Elway came into the NFL having played a lot in college. Adrian hasn't done that, so he has to learn. But if you're talking about just physical talent, Adrian is as good as anyone I have ever seen.

"He's a tall version of Michael Vick."

When the Vick comparison was relayed to an NFL head coach who primarily handles offense, the coach took it a step further. A big step.

"That's an insult to this kid. This kid has a much better arm than Michael Vick. [McPherson] can throw," the coach said.

Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden, whose brother Jay coached one season against McPherson in the Arena League, told McPherson he was the best quarterback in this draft when they met at the Senior Bowl in January.
 
You are probably the one guy in the whole world that has seen him and followed him since he was 17. That doesn't mean your opinion is wrong or right, it just means you like the guy. That's fine, you aren't being ridiculous about him.

When I was in high school I played against Eric Rhett. He was a big name and our team had our homecoming games against his (Miramar High and Macarthur I believe)... anyway I used to love to tell people, "hey, I tackled that guy!". I know, pathetic. But still I hoped for him to become a great player. He wasn't. Familiarity is a powerful bias.
 
Those statements are meaningless. It doesn't synch with they guys on-field play. Jeff George had a powerful arm. Eric Crouch was a nifty QB. So what?
 
''Is it my opinion he's a gambler? It's not opinion. That's what we know,'' said assistant state attorney Georgia Cappleman, whose attempt to prosecute McPherson in 2003 ended in a deadlocked jury. ``He's not only a gambler, he's a crook. Let me put it to you this way: If he was in a room with you, you better watch your wallet.''
 
Meantime, McPherson's qualifications -- at least physically -- to be an NFL quarterback are stunning. During his personal workout March 29 in Bradenton, he took off his shirt before he ran the 40-yard, revealing a body that would shame Adonis.

The only person to win both Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Florida, McPherson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.52 seconds. On grass. That's blazing, making him faster than most of the running backs and wide receivers in any year's draft.

He posted a 40 ½-inch vertical leap, and blazed through a cone drill in 6.78 seconds.

Then there's the arm. The release may be a bit different, but it's quick, accentuating a pass that is both powerful and picturesque. McPherson fires everything with a perfect spiral. He capped his 65-throw performance at his March workout by flicking a pass from a standing position more than 70 yards.

I must say, I'm impressed with his athletic ability.

He does have some serious, serious character issues though.
 
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