Everything you said made sense execept for the last part about Ricky Ray and Sage.This team is about winning now and we don't need a first year QB at the helm who make plenty of mistakes.I would much rather see Fiedler back than your scenerio.
Am I Missing Something? (Brunell)
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Everything you said made sense execept for the last part about Ricky Ray and Sage.This team is about winning now and we don't need a first year QB at the helm who make plenty of mistakes.I would much rather see Fiedler back than your scenerio.
ckparrothead
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Oh and I just wanted to say I'm very happy for Brunell the way this is all turning out. This newfound bevy of demand for his services couldn't have happened to a better guy. What happened to him in Jacksonville, though understandable considering Leftwich's talents, definitely sucked for him because he was Mr. Jacksonville and did so much for that community. He plans to retire there. He built a fricking CHURCH there for cryin out loud and if you wanna do somethin to endear yourself to the Jacksonville community, its building a church. I don't like how he's been hinting that he doesn't want to go to a team with a first round QB, but I can see why the Leftwich thing gave him the taste in his mouth that allowed him to say that, and I can also see that with all the perceived demand out there...he MAY actually have enough bollocks in his basket to be able to demand something like that and get away with it.
I don't necessarily want him to be a Dolphin because I don't believe its the best course this franchise could take, but I do wish him well wherever he goes. It would have been nice to get him AND draft Rivers I suppose but that doesn't seem very likely and probably never was very likely. As they say on PTI...Happy Trails, Mark Brunell.
I don't necessarily want him to be a Dolphin because I don't believe its the best course this franchise could take, but I do wish him well wherever he goes. It would have been nice to get him AND draft Rivers I suppose but that doesn't seem very likely and probably never was very likely. As they say on PTI...Happy Trails, Mark Brunell.
If the Chargers are pursuing Brunell like many reports have stated, and they are not interested in drafting a QB #1 (ala Ryan Leaf), watch for the Chargers to offer their #1 to Jax for Brunell and the Jax #1.
Just a little speculation...
Just a little speculation...
ckparrothead
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There's a difference between Fiedler and Sage Rosenfels.
Rosenfels, we don't know if he can lead us to a Super Bowl.
Fiedler, we KNOW he can't.
Rosenfels, we don't know if he can lead us to a Super Bowl.
Fiedler, we KNOW he can't.
bigmiamifan
Perennial All-Pro
If Ricky has a good work out and the fins think he's worthy AND we lose out on Brunell I like your idea. I still believe Sage should have a chance to prove his worth or lack thereof. I've read some nice things about Rivers but he seems like 1-2 years off.
I disagree.....
Give Fiedler better Oline and Fiedler can get the job done.First years QB are just headaches.Only QB to ever do anything special as first year starter was Kurt Warner and Sage is no Kurt Warner.
If we can't land Brunell then I would like to see:
Fiedler back for another year and hopefully Rivers being drafted #20.
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Dude, you are way behind the times. Fiedler is history as a Fins starter....no one's even debating that anymore. Four years is plenty long enough to prove if you're capable or not. He proved he's not. Give him the best o-line in the world, he still has the accuracy of a bat.
Join us in the present and future. Fiedler is part of the forgettable past.
ckparrothead
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Seems like the more I read about Rivers, the more I like about him. The more I compare him to other draft picks that have come out and succeeded or not succeeded, the more I like about him.
There's one thing that reading through old draft profiles you see in common between guys like Pennington, Brady, Rivers, and even Bulger. And thats their ability to win the big game or perform well in the big game. Pennington, Ramsey, and Rivers were all the best QBs in their Senior Bowl, and thats pretty good company for Rivers to be in cuz he did better at the Senior Bowl than either Pennington or Ramsey. Sage Rosenfels also looked the best outta his bunch but it was a poor year for the Senior Bowl and for QBs in general. Oh well I don't wanna get on another Rivers rant. I tell ya this, those who think Rivers' production was just a product of him being in a QB-oriented short passing offense, you have one thing to look at. Yards per Attempt. That stat usually does not lie. And Rivers' 9.3 yards per attempt is the 2nd highest in NCAA Division 1-A...second to BC's Ryan Dinwiddie who had 9.8 (which is pretty darn good...good job Dinwiddie). Just to put it in perspective, Drew Brees coming out of his own pass-oriented system floated at a mere 7.0 yard per attempt his whole career as a boilermaker.
There's one thing that reading through old draft profiles you see in common between guys like Pennington, Brady, Rivers, and even Bulger. And thats their ability to win the big game or perform well in the big game. Pennington, Ramsey, and Rivers were all the best QBs in their Senior Bowl, and thats pretty good company for Rivers to be in cuz he did better at the Senior Bowl than either Pennington or Ramsey. Sage Rosenfels also looked the best outta his bunch but it was a poor year for the Senior Bowl and for QBs in general. Oh well I don't wanna get on another Rivers rant. I tell ya this, those who think Rivers' production was just a product of him being in a QB-oriented short passing offense, you have one thing to look at. Yards per Attempt. That stat usually does not lie. And Rivers' 9.3 yards per attempt is the 2nd highest in NCAA Division 1-A...second to BC's Ryan Dinwiddie who had 9.8 (which is pretty darn good...good job Dinwiddie). Just to put it in perspective, Drew Brees coming out of his own pass-oriented system floated at a mere 7.0 yard per attempt his whole career as a boilermaker.
First two years,what offensive weapons did Fiedler have?How about the Dolphins put together a decent oline to go along another compliment receiver on other side of Chambers.Just settling for any QB is not going to anything but make things worst.We can sure use an upgrade at QB but only clear upgrade might be headed to another team.If Fiedler is our best option for next year than might as well keep him not dump for unproven first year player on a team is not looking to rebuild.I'm glad some of you are not GM of this team.
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Yes I'd be happy to follow either of their paths....right to the superbowl.
Oakland (not this years Oakland, but the Oakland of the three years prior) was a great example of a strong team who just need a QB to step in. That's what WE are too.
If we draft a rookie, we have to wait for him to develop...(Brady leading his team to a superbowl as a rookie is by far the exception) and by the time he is ready, we've got a team of old geezers who've seen better days.
The future is now baby!
Cranx
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While I disagree with you as to the reality of this thing (this trade has a very strong likelihood of ocurring) I agree that Miami should offer nothing for pile QB Brunell; there are better solutions at QB that have much greater long term prospects.
The fact of the matter in this case is: under the present set of circumstances Miami will not get Brunell without giving up their 1st round pick at #20 which is about 200 spots higher than what Brunell is currently worth. Also, given the interest being shown by several other teams in trading for him at this juncture, there's also very little chance that-- unless Brunell decides to take less money-- that he'll be a Dolphin next year if he's cut and becomes an UFA. This is due to the fact that other teams have more money and would easily be able to outbid Miami if it came down to a bidding war.
To all of you who thought this was a slam dunk case, it may be time to start thinking about what the Dolphins' prospects are without the services of Brunell.
ckparrothead
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Ehem...(Brady)...ehem (Delhomme)...ehech (Wright)...ahhem (Maddox)...AHEM (Pennington)...aaghchfllfhch (Culpepper)...blech (Kitna)...cough cough (Bulger)...
Boy I just seem to be coughing up first year QBs who led their respective teams to the playoffs.
Boy I just seem to be coughing up first year QBs who led their respective teams to the playoffs.
Fiedler our best option? Jeeeshh, it's only February and already we are all out of options? Wow. Here I thought all these rookies in the draft, all these QB's mentioned (Brunnell, Volek, Warner, Kitna, Garcia, etc) were all options.
Sorry, my mistake...I didn't realize it was just down to Jay again.
Of course, if it's not mistake, then I guess I'm glad YOU are not GM...we'd be down to one QB option!
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I don't give a damn about the Superbowl. I'd just like to be consistent and not be horrible one week and great the next... Maybe I'm the only one,, but the way I see it, it's foolish to base your team's success SOLEY on whether or not they win the SB, I just look at that as a big bonus. I'd be happy to just be a serious contender in the near future..