Joe Dolfan
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He was talking about Watson.
Arm strength is NOT how far you can throw it
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Don’t concede the bogus arm strength argument. That’s all propaganda.
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The first clip has been discussed to death, Tua hesitated on the throw and that was the reason for the interception. Nothing really to do with velocity on that, if he had thrown it sooner it was a TD.
Now does velocity help? sure but timing is more key when passing to your target.
Tua's strength is not really his arm strength it's his accuracy. Throwing it deep or with power effectively is not really arm strength but more leg strength as legs drive the power to the arms to be able to throw deep. Kind of like how boxers train their legs heavily in order to land strong punches.
Tua as everyone understands has come off from a devastating hip injury which obviously would impact his strength (legs/hip).
Anyway to me arm strength is not the most important aspect of a QB (Jamarcus Russell anyone?), timing and accuracy are more important and Tua is actually better here.
Speaking of accuracy I'll leave this for you
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He might have been in the post I responded to I don’t know, but he made it very clear in other posts he was making a point that Tua was scared to test his velocity at the combine.
Have you taken a math class? Do you understand velocity verses distance traveled at all?
Rounding of course
62mph = 91 ft/sec
42mph = 62 ft/sec
1 yards = 3ft.
20yards = 60ft
20 yard throw @ 62mph = .66sec
20 yard throw @ 42mph = .97sec (keep in mind Tua's velocity is 53mph which makes it = .77sec)
So on a 20yard pass the difference is 0.6ft at 62mph vs. 53mph of course this doesn't factor in release time which is greater than 0.1sec of difference and will affect the usable 0.6ft of advantage the defender might or might not have based on ball velocity.
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All this is data recorded while Tua was recovering from a severe injury to the source of said velocity. How can you not acknowledge this?
He's lucky I am acknowledging his troll posts at all.
Why don’t you piss off, Bills fan? No one here gives a damn about your thoughts. We all know Tua’s arm isn’t electric. The question is whether his intangibles will be enough to overcome that, a la Brees. He’ll either prove it on the field or he won’t.
Yes our educational system failed us if folks don't realize that distance is almost entirely a function of velocity + angle of release, given a stable platform/no wind.
Point is if you can throw it as far most everyone else, then your arm strength is about equal to theirs, and you should be able to generate the same velocity for various throws given a stable platform.
Eye test tells you that's where Tua is weakest...when he doesn't have a set platform, he's looked downright cringey at times. I've seen workout clips with his trainer showing his crew is aware of this and actively trying to strengthen this aspect. Makes sense that his injury would affect those throws the most.
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Not sure why this is even relevant right now. Tua has the off-season to work on his strength and velocity, and our coaches have time to develop a scheme to utilize Tua's skills best. If Tannehill can improve his deep throws after struggling with them early in his career, I am confident Tua can, too, even if he has to rely more on timing than brute strength.
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Easy now, we don't want to blow up minds with all the other factors like a QB taking velocity off his throw or adjusting the angle of throw to allow the WR more time to break free.
Pure arm strength is a most notable advantage on busted plays or plays were you simply need to muscle it across the field. Typically these are low percentage plays regardless of who throws them and it's better to throw it away and live to play another down. Accuracy is more important over the middle than arm strength, 1 yard behind or ahead can make a difference but in terms of raw arm strength 0.6ft of difference doesn't equal 3 ft as long as you are accurate enough to fit the throw in.
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Tua is fine to the sideline(especially to his left, cross body not as much but rarely throws there)and teams don't leave them open. Teams leave the deep area open. They play both safeties up in the box with zero deep guys which cause everything to get congested inside 20 yards middle and outside hence Tua had a +20% tight window throw rate.
Basically Miami's offense looked like hot garbage a lot of the time because nobody respected the deep throw. Now there is two trains of thought on this. The people who blame the QB and say he has a noodle arm. The second blame the crap OL and lack of any deep speed outside of Waddle.
I tend to think Tua is not the problem at all. I follow the data, he has shown to be elite on short pass game. But he needs the deep pass game. Tua was elite in college (Yaya college and Bama open stuff) and in limited data has shown to be very accurate deep in the NFL.
I think we find out this year on Tua (3 years removed from the hip). I think Miami at least fixed the OL enough with coaching and signing a couple guys. The WRs now have speed outside Waddle with Hill and even Wilson. Basically I think Tua will gets the opportunities to throw downfield. If he maintains his high completion % with added opportunities he will be a top tier QB, as they the field will open up. If his given opportunities and the completion % drops/very inconsistent on deep passes, we'll he will be about what he is a game manager that can complete a lot of short passes but not enough of a threat to lead any type of dynamic offense.