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Arm strength is NOT how far you can throw it

The Beatles said:
Thats a lie.

In the last 5 drafts, only 5 out of 86 QB's at the combine did not test their arm strength.

Tua is one of the 5.

The other 81 did.
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Hows that a lie? you are just wrong.

Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Andrew Luck, Matt Satfford, Matt Ryan all consensus top QB's in their drafts and none of them participated in this at combine. and all of those guys have had success in the NFL.
 
The Beatles said:
1) You're wrong. He wasn't.
2) A week later, at his pro-day he was running, doing bootlegs and throwing. The video is LITERALLY right below this.

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You keep saying a week later, but in the post in which you quoted me, you posted a twitter thing that was two months after the combine. and that one is 3-4 weeks later.
 
The Beatles said:
I routinely see people on all forums (and this one is no exception) think that arm strength is how far a QB can throw the football down the field.

That is not correct. Its velocity.

For example, I've seen Chad Pennington complete a 60 yard pass (in the air) and he was one of the weaker arms in recent NFL history for a starter. Pennington's problem was velocity.

Here is the true formula for arm strength: How far a QB can throw the ball, when taking into consideration VELOCITY of the ball.

Pennington could throw it 60 yards, but there was no speed/zip with the ball. So it took a long time to get there and the ball kinda hung in the air. So what Pennington did was only throw long when he knew he had a good chance of completing it (meaning, the WR had steps on the DB, so the ball taking longer to get there wouldn't matter). Youll notice on many (notice I didnt say "all) of Tua's deep throws, he has a wide open guy or the guy has many steps on the DB. I think Tua is only throwing long in certain situations where you knows he can make it work - thus his small sample size.

This video below is the best comparison I could find of what i'm talking about. UNFORTUNATELY, it uses Josh Allen as one of the examples. I wish it used a different QB, like Rodgers, because people will think I purposefully picked it because of Allen, but I did NOT. It's just a really well done comparison showing how VELOCITY is what mattes with arm strength. Not distance. Not "deep throws".



PS, dont flame me. I think this is a fair discussion.
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Tua does not have as strong an arm as Allen, we all know that already, but he has as strong or stronger arm as Montana, Brady, and Pennington.



Notice in the 1st play, Tua as usual is being harassed by the pass-rush, escapes a possible sack, has barely any time to plant, and most drives the ball with what armstrength he has.

Now armstrength is important, but accuracy, anticipation, and armspeed (Things Tua is better then Mr Allen) are far more important to a QB that wants to be successful in the worst of times.
 
Blake the great said:
Hows that a lie? you are just wrong.

Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Andrew Luck, Matt Satfford, Matt Ryan all consensus top QB's in their drafts and none of them participated in this at combine. and all of those guys have had success in the NFL.
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In the last five drafts, among 86 QB's, only 5 didn't have their arm strenght tested.

Thats what I said.

Now I understand you want to go back 15 years to look at guys like Ryan and Stafford etc, but times have changed. Everyone does the combine for the most part now.
 
tay0365 said:
Tua does not have as strong an arm as Allen, we all know that already, but he has as strong or stronger arm as Montana, Brady, and Pennington.



Notice in the 1st play, Tua as usual is being harassed by the pass-rush, escapes a possible sack, has barely any time to plant, and most drives the ball with what armstrength he has.

Now armstrength is important, but accuracy, anticipation, and armspeed (Things Tua is better then Mr Allen) are far more important to a QB that wants to be successful in the worst of times.
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Dude the WR was literally wide open and still had to stop his route, turn around and come back to the ball.

Thats a perfect example of poor arm strenght.
 
Finfan83nj said:
March 24 2020 was Alabama pro day.

Tua did not do this until April.
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No one is talking about Alabama but you?

I have no idea why you're bringing them up.

Tua had his pro-day the first week of April. And was throwing/practicing for weeks before that.
 
The Beatles said:
I routinely see people on all forums (and this one is no exception) think that arm strength is how far a QB can throw the football down the field.

That is not correct. Its velocity.

For example, I've seen Chad Pennington complete a 60 yard pass (in the air) and he was one of the weaker arms in recent NFL history for a starter. Pennington's problem was velocity.

Here is the true formula for arm strength: How far a QB can throw the ball, when taking into consideration VELOCITY of the ball.

Pennington could throw it 60 yards, but there was no speed/zip with the ball. So it took a long time to get there and the ball kinda hung in the air. So what Pennington did was only throw long when he knew he had a good chance of completing it (meaning, the WR had steps on the DB, so the ball taking longer to get there wouldn't matter). Youll notice on many (notice I didnt say "all) of Tua's deep throws, he has a wide open guy or the guy has many steps on the DB. I think Tua is only throwing long in certain situations where you knows he can make it work - thus his small sample size.

This video below is the best comparison I could find of what i'm talking about. UNFORTUNATELY, it uses Josh Allen as one of the examples. I wish it used a different QB, like Rodgers, because people will think I purposefully picked it because of Allen, but I did NOT. It's just a really well done comparison showing how VELOCITY is what mattes with arm strength. Not distance. Not "deep throws".



PS, dont flame me. I think this is a fair discussion.
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So you created a thread just to crap on the QB of a team you admittedly do not root for.

troll GIF
 
Joe Dolfan said:
You keep saying a week later, but in the post in which you quoted me, you posted a twitter thing that was two months after the combine. and that one is 3-4 weeks later.
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The combine is in March and Tua threw the first week of April.

2 months!? Are you bad at calendars or something? LOL.
 
The Beatles said:
In the last five drafts, among 86 QB's, only 5 didn't have their arm strenght tested.

Thats what I said.

Now I understand you want to go back 15 years to look at guys like Ryan and Stafford etc, but times have changed. Everyone does the combine for the most part now.
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But I just proved how irrelevant that is......
 
Blake the great said:
*says post is not about allen but uses video to compare Tua and Allen* lol

then what is the point here? seems like you need to learn to be more clear.
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I made the point clear as day. Other people got it. You're the only one struggling.

I literally wrote in my post that I wish there was another example that showed velocity without Allen, but its the best video I have, so pretend its a different QB.

Learn to read.
 
No one is talking about Alabama but you?
The Beatles said:
I have no idea why you're bringing them up.

Tua had his pro-day the first week of April. And was throwing/practicing for weeks before that.
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Because you’re talking about pro days. How he opted out. The man wasn’t even fully rehabbed and he did not have a standard pro day with the rest of his Alabama team mates.
 
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