ARTICLE: Andre Johnson trade to Dolphins makes the most sense

[truedolfan57]

yeah, look at the saints. I thought they were in cap hell, or at least would have been nearly impossible to keep graham, but they found a way to still make him the highest paid TE in the league

 

[hoops]

yeah, look at the saints. I thought they were in cap hell, or at least would have been nearly impossible to keep graham, but they found a way to still make him the highest paid TE in the league

yeah but the saints lost older vet dead weight like the de will smith who blew his knee out early last season and had a large cap number this year...the pats don't have quite as easy veteran cuts but any time you go to a agent and tell him we will guarantee your client more up front money for cap relief veterans are gonna listen...especially ones who are unlikely to see all the remaining money on their current contracts...

every player wants guaranteed money...

 

[miamiron]

yeah but the saints lost older vet dead weight like the de will smith who blew his knee out early last season and had a large cap number this year...the pats don't have quite as easy veteran cuts but any time you go to a agent and tell him we will guarantee your client more up front money for cap relief veterans are gonna listen...especially ones who are unlikely to see all the remaining money on their current contracts...

every player wants guaranteed money...

They still owe Smith $2,352,451 in dead money plus over 11 million to other players no longer with the team

 

[hoops]

They still owe Smith $2,352,451 in dead money plus over 11 million to other players no longer with the team

yeah but how much cap relief did they get with those releases...i'm not saying it's an ideal practice and maybe i made it sound like a get out of jail free card but the saints also did more cutting than i think the pats would...i would expect more restructure being the way the pats would go

 

[Crump]

well it looks good on madden. a 4 wide set that has Johnson, Wallace, hart, and landry. maybe we could trade Gibson and Matthews. and cut money elsewhere. but as far as next season goes im really content wih Wallace hartline landry Gibson as our starting 4. if we were to keep the finances in place, johnson would have to either be traded for Wallace, or hart and Gibson. lets run with what he have, even though im sure if we find a way to sign johnson ill be marking out

 

[Fins1971]

Again you're kidding yourself, or you just don't understand the salary structure as it pertains to the salary cap. Creating the space is the easiest thing in the world, all you have to do is take 5 million of this years un guaranteed salary, for one or many players, and convert it to a guaranteed bonus or bonuses that are due next year, no player is going to turn down having a portion of their salary guaranteed and deferred. Again I'm not trying to be insulting but it really seems like you just don't understand how the salary cap works. Teams have been moving cap space around like this for years and with a lot larger numbers than 5 mill. You can thump you chest all you like about the cap space but if he isn't traded to the Pats it won't be because of the cap. Then again I'm predicting right now that if he is traded to the Patriots, then your next thread will be something like "he's old and washed up anyway."

I understand the cap and moving money. However look at the patriots salaries and tell me who they are to convert. They have pretty much did that to most of their roster already.
And Andre Johnson is no where near washed up. I guess we agree to disagree.

 

[Fins1971]

if the pats want this to happen finding the room to do so is not an issue...guaranteeing more money with established vets is an easy way to find the money they need...

Again, look at the patriot salaries and tell me who are you are converting salary to bonus. It is easy to do, The players always accept it. But the Patriots have done that too many times already.

You can only do that if you have a decent salary to begin with.

 

[Jimi]

Makes total sense and could give us a huge leap towards legitimacy....so naturally im sure there is no chance.

 

[Roman529]

Trade Gibson and a 4th for him. You watch the Patriots sign him up and he will turn into Randy Moss in his prime.

 

[hoops]

Again, look at the patriot salaries and tell me who are you are converting salary to bonus. It is easy to do, The players always accept it. But the Patriots have done that too many times already.

You can only do that if you have a decent salary to begin with.

just off the top of my head i know they just resigned wilfork and i dont know the numbers but i would bet anything if it's possible that if the pats came to him and asked him to take more guaranteed money up front given his age and his injury history ie just coming back from a torn achilles he'd be interested...but i don't know the rules considering he hasn't played yet under that just signed contract

that's the kind of guy you'd target though...maybe a mankins also who is showing signs of falloff

 

[Blitz99]

Offer them a 4th and see what happens

 

[bcsupratt]

I hope we don't sleep on this. Gibson or hartline and a 4th should do it! I'd love to keep Hartline but a combo of Andre and Wallace on the outside is deadly

 

[Fins1971]

just off the top of my head i know they just resigned wilfork and i dont know the numbers but i would bet anything if it's possible that if the pats came to him and asked him to take more guaranteed money up front given his age and his injury history ie just coming back from a torn achilles he'd be interested...but i don't know the rules considering he hasn't played yet under that just signed contract

that's the kind of guy you'd target though...maybe a mankins also who is showing signs of falloff

Wilfork is making the league minimum 1.3M in salary, nothing to convert there.
Brady is making $2M in salary, very little to convert.

You can see the Pats cap numbers here.

http://patscap.com/

As you can see there are few choices.

Like I said Mankins is about the only player that fits the bill. It could happen. But I doubt it.

on NFL Sirius radio that said he was un-trade-able due to the dead money on his contract.
Even if they trade him he would count 12M toward the cap over the next 2 years.
Very little saving for them and they lose one of their best offensive players.

Pat Kirwin said he playing for Houston this year or NOT playing at all. He is usually right on with these type of personnel options.

 

[hoops]

Wilfork is making the league minimum 1.3M in salary, nothing to convert there.
Brady is making $2M in salary, very little to convert.

You can see the Pats cap numbers here.

http://patscap.com/

As you can see there are few choices.

Like I said Mankins is about the only player that fits the bill. It could happen. But I doubt it.

on NFL Sirius radio that said he was un-trade-able due to the dead money on his contract.
Even if they trade him he would count 12M toward the cap over the next 2 years.
Very little saving for them and they lose one of their best offensive players.

Pat Kirwin said he playing for Houston this year or NOT playing at all. He is usually right on with these type of personnel options.

yeah wilforks a no go...connolly mankins and amendola who they could lose cause they cant trust him to stay healthy stand out to me...i didnt get that signing when they made it frankly the guy stays hurt...you right though they got a lot of guys playing on dirt cheap cap hits this year...

freaking pats...not many things they do wrong...that's the way to handle a cap...those rookie contracts are gold for guys like solder...that's a highway robbery right there

 

[truedolfan57]

would rather trade Gibson and Matthews and keep our draft picks, for andre. or maybe Gibson and Pouncey for andre and whoever they have as their starting center. only need an average guy in there anyway.