Breaking News: Mike Pouncey not likely to be punished by the NFL

[TheWalrus]

It's not that having a pro bowl center isn't better than having an average one. It's that the monetary difference -- given the restriction of the salary cap -- of having the much more costly pro bowl center does not make the team appreciably better than the average center by himself... especially if that center is a dingbat like Mike Pouncey. As others have pointed out, we do not have to look very far for an example of why this is true. The 2013 Dolphins are perhaps the perfect example. Pro bowl Mike Pouncey did not prevent Ryan Tannehill from getting sacked more times than any other quarterback in Dolphins history.

That's because the offensive line is a unit. It's not like having one Andre Johnson and a bunch of Kevin Walters. You have to be at least solid at every position.

As some might remember (actually, probably no one ) I was an advocate of pursuing Alex Mack this offseason. Ultimately it was impossible to get him, and he signed a 5 year, $42 million deal that will pay him $10 million this year.

That's a lot of goddamn money. And I'll tell you something, despite the fact that I strongly dislike Mike Pouncey... if you're going to pay that money to an offensive lineman, pay it to a center. Regardless of the received wisdom of the time I think center is the most important position on the offensive line, not left tackle. But you better make sure that center isn't a ****ing psycho, and to me there's more than reason to believe that Mike Pouncey is at least part psycho.

Pouncey and Tannehill. Resign or do not resign. That's what next offseason is going to be about. Oh, and Clay, too. Lots of chickens coming home to roost next year. There's only so much money to go around. Better to invest in the top money in the individual positions that matter. The offensive line needs to be treated as a whole.

 

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It's not that having a pro bowl center isn't better than having an average one. It's that the monetary difference -- given the restriction of the salary cap -- of having the much more costly pro bowl center does not make the team appreciably better than the average center by himself... especially if that center is a dingbat like Mike Pouncey. As others have pointed out, we do not have to look very far for an example of why this is true. The 2013 Dolphins are perhaps the perfect example. Pro bowl Mike Pouncey did not prevent Ryan Tannehill from getting sacked more times than any other quarterback in Dolphins history.

That's because the offensive line is a unit. It's not like having one Andre Johnson and a bunch of Kevin Walters. You have to be at least solid at every position.

As some might remember (actually, probably no one ) I was an advocate of pursuing Alex Mack this offseason. Ultimately it was impossible to get him, and he signed a 5 year, $42 million deal that will pay him $10 million this year.

That's a lot of goddamn money. And I'll tell you something, despite the fact that I strongly dislike Mike Pouncey... if you're going to pay that money to an offensive lineman, pay it to a center. Regardless of the received wisdom of the time I think center is the most important position on the offensive line, not left tackle. But you better make sure that center isn't a ****ing psycho, and to me there's more than reason to believe that Mike Pouncey is at least part psycho.

Pouncey and Tannehill. Resign or do not resign. That's what next offseason is going to be about. Oh, and Clay, too. Lots of chickens coming home to roost next year. There's only so much money to go around. Better to invest in the top money in the individual positions that matter. The offensive line needs to be treated as a whole.

We saw last year that Pouncey is replaceable, Garner played pretty well for those two games. I just don't like giving up good players at any position.
I guess I just don't see this inevitable train-wreck like some and I would hate to see him rack up multiple Pro Bowls in another uniform only because the Dolphins were worried about what might happen

 

[TheWalrus]

We saw last year that Pouncey is replaceable, Garner played pretty well for those two games. I just don't like giving up good players at any position.
I guess I just don't see this inevitable train-wreck like some and I would hate to see him rack up multiple Pro Bowls in another uniform only because the Dolphins were worried about what might happen

Nobody wants to give up good players at any position.

The point with Pouncey is two fold:

1.) He's a gigantic asshole.

2.) Who plays a relatively unimportant position.

Which leads to the question:

Do you think we should resign him for Alex Mack money?

This thread -- every Mike Pouncey thread -- is a prelude to that debate. My answer is a resounding NO. ****ing **** no.

 

[lurking]

I'm glad the Dolphins don't have the panic button that you all are pushing.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I just want to chime in to say that I think people have got skewed ideas of what represents competent line play due to how flat out bad our OL has been. Nobody is saying we're OK with the trash we saw out of our OL last year when we say that we'd be okay with 'replacing Pouncey with competent.'

What we had last year wasn't even close to competent.

 

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Nobody wants to give up good players at any position.

The point with Pouncey is two fold:

1.) He's a gigantic asshole.

2.) Who plays a relatively unimportant position.

Which leads to the question:

Do you think we should resign him for Alex Mack money?

This thread -- every Mike Pouncey thread -- is a prelude to that debate. My answer is a resounding NO. ****ing **** no.

I agree that $10 million is too much to pay for any center, Mack included. as far as being an asshole, there are plenty of good players that would fit that description.

 

[TheWalrus]

I agree that $10 million is too much to pay for any center, Mack included.

So I take that to mean that if Pouncey wants that kind of money -- or money in that general ballpark -- you'd prefer that he walk? Fair?

as far as being an asshole, there are plenty of good players that would fit that description.

There are. But if we're going to tolerate having one of them represent this city and this team, how about they play a more important than center, ya know? Let's get some bang for our buck. At least with Manziel the Browns took a chance on a guy who might turn out to be a franchise QB in the Jim McMahon mold in addition to being a ****ing handful.

At most we get a center.

 

[TheWalrus]

I just want to chime in to say that I think people have got skewed ideas of what represents competent line play due to how flat out bad our OL has been. Nobody is saying we're OK with the trash we saw out of our OL last year when we say that we'd be okay with 'replacing Pouncey with competent.'

What we had last year wasn't even close to competent.

Obviously, yeah. I think everybody who's looking for "competent" agrees with that. I know LouPhinFan does.

 

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So I take that to mean that if Pouncey wants that kind of money -- or money in that general ballpark -- you'd prefer that he walk? Fair?

If I'm Hickey and he asks for $10 million per season, I shake his hand and say "good luck to you, Mike"

 

[TheWalrus]

If I'm Hickey and he asks for $10 million per season, I shake his hand and say "good luck to you, Mike"

Mack's deal was for 5 years, $42 million with $26 million guaranteed. That's for the guy who is considered by many to be the best center in the league and has no character issues in his past.

No sane person is going to be willing to give Pouncey that kind of money (I realize this definition of "sane" excludes much of finheaven). He's not as good as Mack and he's a much bigger asshole. The question is how much less. If it's me I'm not even bothering to negotiate. This is a guy who just robbed me of a half a season because he'd rather hit free agency and has been embarrassing the franchise for two years (with who knows how much to come). I'd much rather spend that money on two offensive linemen, or on another corner, or on Clay... or on many other positions. That's what we're talking about here. How much less would you resign Pouncey for if you're even willing to resign him?

I think Dolphins fans are so beaten down by having no stars that they're willing to back anyone who shows star potential, no matter how insignificant the position they play or how much of an asshole they are. Sometimes I think people around here would back a star kicker if he was arrested for statutory rape. "Hey, sometimes a 15 year old looks like they're 18, you know?"

We don't have to settle for that. It is possible to have star players who aren't a threat to embarrass you every week. And like I said, if you're going to tolerate one, make it a position that matters.

 

[lurking]

This is a stupid thing to say.
I think Dolphins fans are so beaten down by having no stars that they're willing to back anyone who shows star potential, no matter how insignificant the position they play or how much of an asshole they are. Sometimes I think people around here would back a star kicker if he was arrested for statutory rape. "Hey, sometimes a 15 year old looks like they're 18, you know?"
Everybody here was Mark Sanchez jock about his little interlude with a young girl.
Nobody supports this kind of behavior.

 

[Spesh]

Mack's deal was for 5 years, $42 million with $26 million guaranteed. That's for the guy who is considered by many to be the best center in the league and has no character issues in his past.

No sane person is going to be willing to give Pouncey that kind of money (I realize this definition of "sane" excludes much of finheaven). He's not as good as Mack and he's a much bigger asshole. The question is how much less. If it's me I'm not even bothering to negotiate. This is a guy who just robbed me of a half a season because he'd rather hit free agency and has been embarrassing the franchise for two years (with who knows how much to come). I'd much rather spend that money on two offensive linemen, or on another corner, or on Clay... or on many other positions. That's what we're talking about here. How much less would you resign Pouncey for if you're even willing to resign him?

I think Dolphins fans are so beaten down by having no stars that they're willing to back anyone who shows star potential, no matter how insignificant the position they play or how much of an asshole they are. Sometimes I think people around here would back a star kicker if he was arrested for statutory rape. "Hey, sometimes a 15 year old looks like they're 18, you know?"

We don't have to settle for that. It is possible to have star players who aren't a threat to embarrass you every week. And like I said, if you're going to tolerate one, make it a position that matters.

Its also important to note that Maurkice just landed a 5 year, $44 million extension(no guaranteed money, shrewd on their part). Even if he didnt think he was the better center(which he does) and more durable(that i could give him), he will want a bigger contract for dick measuring reasons alone. When we picked up Pouncey's 5th year option it came with a $7.4 million salary. Pouncey has since spoken out and said he feels hes outplayed that. Is it really so unthinkable that he asks for $2 million and change more?

Ive been getting a kick out of those have been defending Pouncey's honor tooth and nail but also have stated they support getting rid of him next offseason. What in the hell is the difference? Pouncey is going to miss at the very least 5 games this year(im not going to be surprised if that number "shockingly" increases). He will miss the full training camp regimen while rehabbing his injury(if he isnt drunk), he wont have any first hand experience with our new offense, he wont have any first hand experience with our new blocking schemes, he wont have any first hand experience with our entirely new line, and he knows he will be rewarded with cash if he drags his feet during his recovery while the line struggles.
Meanwhile, if we get rid of him we stand to gain both tangible(draft picks, cap room) and intangible(kicking a corrosive element out of the locker room, message sent to the players the bull**** isnt tolerated) benefits.

Are those 10 or 11 games really worth it? For all the boasting about his All Pro(!!!!!) talent, our line is going to suck anyways. We are potentially starting 2 rookies, a second year player who hasnt shown much, and a veteran who rarely plays all 16 games. Tannehill is getting hit all season long. As we've seen in years past and as its been pointed out repeatedly: Pouncey isnt going to be providing all that many solutions. But he is going to be "providing" problems.

And people are vehemently fighting for this headcase interior lineman. This forum never ceases to amaze.

 

[Spesh]

This is a stupid thing to say.

Nobody supports this kind of behavior.

I saw peoples opinions on both Dan Carpenter and Penn State.

Yes, there are those on this forum who would support that kind of behavior.

 

[lurking]

Can you explain this for me.
I saw peoples opinions on both Dan Carpenter and Penn State.
Not sure of what your talking about here.
I'm not being a smart ass, just curious.
Unless your talking about nyjunk.... : )))

 

[Spesh]

Can you explain this for me.

Not sure of what your talking about here.
I'm not being a smart ass, just curious.

Before April 25th, 2013, Dan Carpenter was considered a great kicker on this forum. Oh sure, he had a bad year and hes a bit overpaid, but hes fine. Hes come through for us so much. And...etc, etc, etc. Others(myself included) pointed out he had problems for years. Vehement outrage would greet us. Of course, the minute we drafted Celeb Sturgis..."lolololol Carpenter sucks lololol".

And there were those on this forum who felt the scumbags who helped Sandusky commit his crimes should not only remain free but keep their jobs.

Seeing people defend a great player after he ****ed a teenager would hardly be surprising. I can already see the posts: "Shes making a money grab", "she shouldnt have been at the club", "her generation has lost its way".