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Tua time!
junc DID NOT COMPETE
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Can we get Seattle's OC?
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That doesn't answer the question and to even bring up total QBR tells me how much you know.
you can fool the folks that don't know what they are watching, you aren't fooling me. All you did was deflect, you didn't prove anything. If I was foolish enough to say he would be elite(like others have done w/ lesser QBs) then you'd have me. I never did that.
Try again.
The usual nonsense from you. The 16 QBs that were ranked ahead of him in 2010 serve as my list (at least).
I challenge you to find a single, professional, unbiased ranking of QBs based solely on their play (not potential, not team results) from 2010 that puts Sanchez in the top 10.
Don't give me any crap about not basing your opinion on what others think, because your opinion is bunk and unless it is supported by legitimate sources, you lose.
The gauntlet has been thrown, will you pick it up?
For junc's reading pleasure:
This little gem of an article is from 2012 but comments on the Jets' decision to extend Sanchez's contract after the 2011 season:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-27/jets-signing-sanchez-made-little-sense-to-some-nfl-statisticians.html
"“To give Sanchez an extension in the offseason was monumentally ridiculous,” said Aaron Schatz, editor-in-chief of FootballOutsiders.com, "
"Sanchez threw for 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions as a rookie in 2009, then seemed to improve the following year, tossing 17 scoring passes while being picked off 13 times. Another 15 of his passes in 2010 should have been interceptions but were dropped by defenders, according to FootballOutsiders.com.
“That’s the most dropped interceptions we’ve tracked from any quarterback in the four years we’ve been doing this,” Schatz said in a telephone interview."
This is from Ron Jaworski after the 2011 season:
"“After three years in the league, Sanchez continues to struggle in two critical areas: decision-making and down-field accuracy. It’s why he’s No. 23 on my list."
Hmmm.... junc. Who has been telling that to you for 4 years? Hmmm......
This little gem of an article is from 2012 but comments on the Jets' decision to extend Sanchez's contract after the 2011 season:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-27/jets-signing-sanchez-made-little-sense-to-some-nfl-statisticians.html
"“To give Sanchez an extension in the offseason was monumentally ridiculous,” said Aaron Schatz, editor-in-chief of FootballOutsiders.com, "
"Sanchez threw for 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions as a rookie in 2009, then seemed to improve the following year, tossing 17 scoring passes while being picked off 13 times. Another 15 of his passes in 2010 should have been interceptions but were dropped by defenders, according to FootballOutsiders.com.
“That’s the most dropped interceptions we’ve tracked from any quarterback in the four years we’ve been doing this,” Schatz said in a telephone interview."
This is from Ron Jaworski after the 2011 season:
"“After three years in the league, Sanchez continues to struggle in two critical areas: decision-making and down-field accuracy. It’s why he’s No. 23 on my list."
Hmmm.... junc. Who has been telling that to you for 4 years? Hmmm......
ok, using that lack of logic the following QBs were/are better than Dan Marino(they had better QB ratings!):
Tony Romo
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Matt Schaub
Chad Pennington
Daunte Culpepper
Jeff Garcia
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=61561
http://www.jetsinsider.com/threads/...Love-for-Sanchez-Reaches-New-Levels-(merged)?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-even-close-to-the-best-player-in-the-draft/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...er0919_1_joe-flacco-trent-dilfer-elite-passer
http://thebiglead.com/2010/11/08/trent-dilfer-is-really-bullish-on-mark-sanchez/
That's a stat guy, not a football guy. To people like that the TD thrown trailing 30-0 in the 4th is the same as the TD thrown to win a game in the final minute.
You can be that type of fan, I'm better than that.
Phinatic8u
Club Member
Can't compare qbs in the 80s to qbs now on passer rating.
Actually comparing qbs on passer rating is useless.
Actually comparing qbs on passer rating is useless.
I couldn't agree more. With the rule changes cross generational statistical comparisons are meaningless. They let defensive backs actually play football back in the 1980s.
that's the point, ratings can be used as a guide. to evaluate based strictly on rating is asinine.
Hell, if you wanna isolate one year out (and strip out them "fancy fantasy stats") then a strong case can be made that in '06 Rex Grossman was a "Top 10" QB
So now Jaworski is a "stats guy"?
ganggreen and jetsinsider? wtf? Why not just quote marksanchez.com?
You quoted Dilfer's assessment of Sanchez's CEILING in most of the articles not his current level of play. "Ceiling is about how far a guy can ascend. It's not about who is better right now"
Here is something you left out of Dilfer's analysis of the future of the current crop of young QBs:
"So who does Dilfer like? He thinks that Jimmy Clausen is the best prepared to make an immediate impact, but that Colt McCoy will be the best of the bunch four years from now."
Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy???? ha, ha, ha.... I guess he was right Sanchez, McCoy, and Clausen are all about the same. They all have the same job description - QB busts riding the bench until they are soon out of the league.
The only article that referenced evaluating actual play said this:
"Mark Sanchez is playing … top 6-7-8 QBs in this league. I’m just looking at the tape and grading plays … he’s in the top third in the league in playing QB right now"
So which is it? top third or 6-7-8? Maybe Dilfer has a math deficiency.
Two of the articles note this:
Worth noting: Dilfer and Sanchez share the same agent
As it turns out, Dilfer is represented by David Dunn’s Athletes First firm, which also represents Colt McCoy
Or this could explain the soft spot that Sanchez once held in Dilfer's heart:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mark-sanchez-role-new-york-jets-reminds-trent-dilfer-2000-baltimore-ravens-super-bowl-win-article-1.461096
Awwww, Sanchez reminded Trent of himself......
Dilfer has been hawking Sanchez since before the 2009 draft. - http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=8457
Apparently he had a lot invested in that opinion and just couldn't let it go.
NaboCane
I'm on my comma
Maybe it's because we keep hiring the imagination-impaired or, as in the case of the last two Offensive Coordinators, the elderly.
The last good OC we've had in Miami was Linehan. After that—crap. All crap. And before that? Do we have to recall the infamous Gary Stevens, or the equally-ineffectual Kippy Brown? Marino was saddled with some doozies. Norv Turner, the Chuck Knox clone? Jesus; the guy who made Phil Rivers look ordinary. And Chan Gailey, whose last career innovation was the forward pass.
I think you have to go back to Shula's '70s teams to find innovative and exciting OCs.
I'm just so goddamn sick to death of the dink-and-dunk bull**** nature of Sherman's WCO. He seems to think that the bubble screen is the height of wit.
The last good OC we've had in Miami was Linehan. After that—crap. All crap. And before that? Do we have to recall the infamous Gary Stevens, or the equally-ineffectual Kippy Brown? Marino was saddled with some doozies. Norv Turner, the Chuck Knox clone? Jesus; the guy who made Phil Rivers look ordinary. And Chan Gailey, whose last career innovation was the forward pass.
I think you have to go back to Shula's '70s teams to find innovative and exciting OCs.
I'm just so goddamn sick to death of the dink-and-dunk bull**** nature of Sherman's WCO. He seems to think that the bubble screen is the height of wit.
hoops
Tua time!
i used to like jaws til he said this last offseason colin kaepernick may go down as the best qb of all time...
that's one of the dumbest things i've heard an analyst who evaluates qbs say...
that's one of the dumbest things i've heard an analyst who evaluates qbs say...
I was talking about the football outsiders guy.
how is this talking about ceiling, did you not notice the words "right now"?
you asked, I provided. Now get back to your boxscores to try to evaluate QBs
I was talking about the football outsiders guy.
how is this talking about ceiling, did you not notice the words "right now"?
you asked, I provided. Now get back to your boxscores to try to evaluate QBs
Once again your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.... Dilfer's analysis was for part of a single season and IMO projecting based on his obvious man-crush. Maybe Dilfer, Sanchez, McCoy, and Clausen can form a club.
This is from Ron Jaworski after the 2011 season:
"“After three years in the league, Sanchez continues to struggle in two critical areas: decision-making and down-field accuracy. It’s why he’s No. 23 on my list."
Continues to struggle. Not started to struggle. Not regressed from the previous year. CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE.
Seems like my evaluation over Sanchez's 4 years has proven to be the correct one. Now get back to whatever you do to "evaluate" QBs. I told you so! Ha, ha, ha ... You cannot deny it. I told you Sanchez would be done and he is.
Say it JUNC!!!!! Say it JUNC!! Say I was correct and you were wrong. Here I'll type it for you. You can quote it or cut and paste:
FinfanInBuffalo was correct all along about Sanchez and I (nyjunc) was horribly wrong. Sanchez is done, just like I was told.
My reading is fine when I read adult level stuff. when people change things up every time one of their weak points in torched then I can see why they would think I struggle reading.
we were discussing him being top 10 in 2010, your response was:
post #138.
stop deflecting and get back to your boxscores.
Mark was top 10 in 2010, mid of the pack in 2011 and bottom in 2012. as the talent regressed so did he, he's not Brady, he can't win w/ anyone. If he has decent talent he will win.