Charles Clay 2013 highlights

[normaldude]

The TD at 2:42 - 2:53 was INSANE.

Speed, power, agility, everything.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Very good point. Dan Campbell has done a wonderful job with the TEs and is one of my favorite coaches. It took Clay a couple years to have his breakout year and maybe Campbell can do the same with Egnew. Egg is 2 inches taller and runs a 4.5 compared to Clay's 4.7 if we can get Egg to get on the same page and live up to his potential like Clay we will be set at TE. Then add Sims to the mix and TE might be a strong position instead of the weakness we thought it would be last year when Keller went down.

Dan looks like he could suit up today if need be. He came over as the best coach in the group during hard knocks. He got in their faces but was also the first to pat guys on the back for doing well.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Pish tosh ... stupid videos. What we need is some good old fashioned spreadsheets and percentages

And polls , lots of polls. All asking the same question from different angles. Hear that guy got a job with Gallop.

 

[FSU Truth]

The thing with clay is he he is less a TE and more of an offensive weapon....line him up in the backfield, inline, out wide....he's going to be a match-up problem for most teams.

 

[nick1]

The thing with clay is he he is less a TE and more of an offensive weapon....line him up in the backfield, inline, out wide....he's going to be a match-up problem for most teams.

Get a TE like Jace Amaro and you can move Clay all over

 

[uk_dolfan]

And polls , lots of polls. All asking the same question from different angles. Hear that guy got a job with Gallop.

mmmmmmm pfff

but seriously

Im thinking of joining the group we have on the forum who go to bed at night and cuddle up to a pff subscription

 

[The_Phish]

Love the way Clay and Tannehill play.....but the Go, Go can just Go away!

 

[So Be]

Clay had a VG year, and made plays. He has said that he is still learning the TE position, and gave Keller credit for his help. He needs to improve on his 7 drops, and his blocking, which he also said.

 

[Pat-London]

Couple of points I took away from the video [great job OP on this by the way]

1. You can see subtle developments in Tannehill's game through the season with a simple little hitch step up and into the pocket - makes a difference for sure as it doesn't provide the D with a stationary target at the top of this drop - with the hitch step, he changed the hit zone and therefore made it tougher for DL to target a spot and stick with it - real nice to see and I'm hoping more development in this.

2. Re Clay - was interesting to see his pre snap movement on a number of plays and has been mentioned by a number of the posters in other threads on the hope that OC Lazor moves Wallace around. I suspect he will, and I suspect that we will probably see more of Clay in an outside WR alignment and have the likes of Wallace etc. moving around inside against slower defenders.

Some of the routes Clay had, off of the motion, Id love to, 1. continue to see as it was very effective, and 2. see the WR's and even RB's used as in the same motion/route action. Mismatching by alignment, package and movement is one thing I'm really hoping to see this year.

 

[RkyDaMan34]

Couple of points I took away from the video [great job OP on this by the way]

1. You can see subtle developments in Tannehill's game through the season with a simple little hitch step up and into the pocket - makes a difference for sure as it doesn't provide the D with a stationary target at the top of this drop - with the hitch step, he changed the hit zone and therefore made it tougher for DL to target a spot and stick with it - real nice to see and I'm hoping more development in this.

2. Re Clay - was interesting to see his pre snap movement on a number of plays and has been mentioned by a number of the posters in other threads on the hope that OC Lazor moves Wallace around. I suspect he will, and I suspect that we will probably see more of Clay in an outside WR alignment and have the likes of Wallace etc. moving around inside against slower defenders.

Some of the routes Clay had, off of the motion, Id love to, 1. continue to see as it was very effective, and 2. see the WR's and even RB's used as in the same motion/route action. Mismatching by alignment, package and movement is one thing I'm really hoping to see this year.

I agree, and throw in a couple of screen passes to Moreno or Miller and were off to the races...

 

[fishfanmiami]

I agree, and throw in a couple of screen passes to Moreno or Miller and were off to the races...

The new guard Shelly Smith should also help with the screens. He can pull and get to the next level. Last year Pouncy was the only one who could get down field and get out to help with screen blocks.
This has been a missing part to our offense for a while now.

 

[ciscoholgate]

We still need Sims or Egnew to develop as Clay can't play on the line as an every down traditional TE.
If Sims or Egnew can play better this coming year, we could kill it in 2 TE sets with Clay able to move around.
2 TE sets would tremendously help our run game.

 

[Pat-London]

I agree, and throw in a couple of screen passes to Moreno or Miller and were off to the races...

Yup.. big style. Best way to slow down a pass rush is getting them to turn on their heels quickly - and the way to do this is through quick change of direction screen plays. Was always a little surprised that an experience OC like Sherman didn't look to do more of this when it was apparent the OL was leaking - ah well...

 

[Pat-London]

We still need Sims or Egnew to develop as Clay can't play on the line as an every down traditional TE.
If Sims or Egnew can play better this coming year, we could kill it in 2 TE sets with Clay able to move around.
2 TE sets would tremendously help our run game.

It's an interesting thought. I do have a slightly different view on if we need that traditional every down TE, thumper type [my words]. The beauty of the Zone Blocking Scheme is, you can in fact mask some gaps in physical blocking prowess of the TE spot because you can rely more on the needs of ZBS with movement, technique and body/hand position, versus the old style, in-line physically dominant TE who may have limitations in the passing game.

In my view when it comes to blocking for TE's in the ZBS - you just have to do enough to keep the defence honest. Others may disagree with me on that, and that's fine - there's many ways to skin a cat. For me, it's about one key word for this sort of discussion I used to use when coaching and that was 'Multiplicity'*. It's about having that player, package, formation that allows you, as a coach, to do multiple things with the same personnel therefore forcing match up advantages by default.

The perfect example of this is New England and the 12 personnel package with Hernandez and Gronkowski and the numerous ways in which they forced opposing defences to line up with a relatively 'heavy' type defence where they ended up putting themselves in conflict with what the NE Offence was doing because they simply couldn't match up with the Offensive strategy.. i.e. they go heavy against 12, NE O would go to the air... if they went Nickel, the NE O would go run heavy. Simple really and from them, I became a massive fan of the 12 personnel package - that is, if you have the people that enables you to be effective.

Eric Ebron would enable us to do that - coupled with Clay. Add these two, to Wallace & Hartline on the outside and a perfect complimentary back of Jeremy Hill in Rd 2, maybe at a push 3 [he's a thumper who can hit the hard years inside and break some long ones - plus he has incredible vision and lovely body lean/movement - I'd also be over the moon with Tre Mason] - would give a very challenging package to defend.

* I 'borrowed' the term Multiplicity from Trent Dilfer when hearing him on a sport radio program a ways back, when he was talking about the difference of the New England offence and in particular it's use of Randy Moss, the year after McDaniels left to be HC of Denver and the fact that the current OC at the time [don't recall the name] had kept Moss in the same place on most every play, a la Sherman with Wallace, versus the multiple approach McDaniels had taken in moving him around - he described it as the 'multiplicity' of the McDaniels offence which generated considerably more productivity, not only for Moss, but subsequently everyone else.

 

[ciscoholgate]

It's an interesting thought. I do have a slightly different view on if we need that traditional every down TE, thumper type [my words]. The beauty of the Zone Blocking Scheme is, you can in fact mask some gaps in physical blocking prowess of the TE spot because you can rely more on the needs of ZBS with movement, technique and body/hand position, versus the old style, in-line physically dominant TE who may have limitations in the passing game.

In my view when it comes to blocking for TE's in the ZBS - you just have to do enough to keep the defence honest. Others may disagree with me on that, and that's fine - there's many ways to skin a cat. For me, it's about one key word for this sort of discussion I used to use when coaching and that was 'Multiplicity'*. It's about having that player, package, formation that allows you, as a coach, to do multiple things with the same personnel therefore forcing match up advantages by default.

The perfect example of this is New England and the 12 personnel package with Hernandez and Gronkowski and the numerous ways in which they forced opposing defences to line up with a relatively 'heavy' type defence where they ended up putting themselves in conflict with what the NE Offence was doing because they simply couldn't match up with the Offensive strategy.. i.e. they go heavy against 12, NE O would go to the air... if they went Nickel, the NE O would go run heavy. Simple really and from them, I became a massive fan of the 12 personnel package - that is, if you have the people that enables you to be effective.

Eric Ebron would enable us to do that - coupled with Clay. Add these two, to Wallace & Hartline on the outside and a perfect complimentary back of Jeremy Hill in Rd 2, maybe at a push 3 [he's a thumper who can hit the hard years inside and break some long ones - plus he has incredible vision and lovely body lean/movement - I'd also be over the moon with Tre Mason] - would give a very challenging package to defend.

* I 'borrowed' the term Multiplicity from Trent Dilfer when hearing him on a sport radio program a ways back, when he was talking about the difference of the New England offence and in particular it's use of Randy Moss, the year after McDaniels left to be HC of Denver and the fact that the current OC at the time [don't recall the name] had kept Moss in the same place on most every play, a la Sherman with Wallace, versus the multiple approach McDaniels had taken in moving him around - he described it as the 'multiplicity' of the McDaniels offence which generated considerably more productivity, not only for Moss, but subsequently everyone else.

Great info Pat. I view Egnew and Sims as guys who need to be better blockers but also have a great effect in the passing game.
They both have the ideal size you want in a seam threat TE and Egnew even has the speed.
What I envision is two TE sets with Clay flexed off the line and Egnew or Sims in the strong side against a DE.
Even if we run primarily ZBS, do we still want Clay on the edge against the strong side DE?
That won't be a win in many cases as DEs in this league usually eat up Clay one on one.

NE's use of Gronk and Hernandez is a great example of multiplicity and that is what I think Miami needs to do as most teams now have specialists at LB.
The ability of Brady to go no huddle and not let the defense substitute was a huge reason why they had so much success.
You talk about not needing a "thumping" TE but you forget Gronk is a very good blocker and that is a reason for their two TE success.
We need an inline blocking TE who is reliable. We currently don't have one on the roster.