They are that bad. Joe Rose talked about it from time to time. Stories weren't pretty. They were more into office politic than winning.IMO it's about having the GM and coach on the same page. I don't think Ireland or Spielman were bad. Fans ran them out of town b/c the teams sucked, but it wasn't all on them. They were about average, but the bust rate was higher b/c the coaches never got the most/best out of the players. Flores helps Grier look better. I love the emphasis we have on teaching. And Grier helps Flores look better. Finding guys who fit in terms of talent and coachability makes the teaching easier.