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CK's Pre-Game Piece - Broncos at Dolphins

byroan said:
Darrent Williams - 5'8 - 188
David Boston - 6'2 - 228

And a quote from a draft profile on Darrent.


Which if you read is why we likely end up in zone coverage when the match-up dictates.

I forgot to mention eariler. Our LB's were able to keep the two best TE's in the league to these #'s last year.

Tony Gonzalez- 2 catches for 17 yards. (game 1)
That was despite Green throwing the ball 32 times in an attempt to come from behind. BTW, that game was a season opener. Shanny had extra time to prepare. Trent Green was 16 of 32 for 174 yards 0 TD's and 1 INT. A probowl QB struggled in the opener!!!

Tony Gonzalez- 3 catches for 44 yards (game 2)

Antonio Gates- 4 catches for 30 yards (game 1)
Antonio Gates- 3 catches for 31 yards (game 2)

Neither of them had a single TD! Both of them had Pro-bowl QB's throwing the ball. If you think McMichael concerns a Broncos fan your barking up the wrong tree... btw, our defense has improved... especially in the LB corps which is who draws the TE coverage 90% of the time in our schemes. You may even see our DL covering the TE in some instances. Both Trev Pryce and Courtney Brown have drawn that assignment in practice. I don't care for it b/c it gives you the advantage, but it's part of our "3-4" look which Saban can not game plan for b/c we haven't run it in a game yet!
 
OSKIE said:
Okay, personnel attacks aside... what is Miami going to do to win the game>?

I don't know who will win the game...But I think all of the standard cliche's apply...Miami has to contain the DEN rushing attack, Get pressure on Plummer, Win the turnover battle, win the TOP battle, and play well on 3rd down. Will all of these things happen for Miami?...Who knows? Maybe DEN wins 38-0...and if that happens then God love ya and may you prosper...But until your coaches and players address the "Dirty Offensive line play" issue, it will always be associated with your team. There is nothing wrong with the blocking schemes it's the blocking below the waist that puts players on the IR and in some cases ruins their careers. We just lost our promising DT Kevin Vickerson to a chop block in the last pre-season game against ATL...and we all know who their O-line coach is...DEN is by far not the only team with players guilty of this stuff but it has become something that DEN is known for...Hopefully they will clean that up and leave the label of cheap shot artists behind them...Does it have anything to do with the game this weekend?...Not really...I just want to see a clean game that's all.
 
OSKIE said:
Interested in your response...

I would but there is nothing to respond to. Your responses are fluff and shows you don't even KNOW the defensive scheme the phins are throwing at you(hence why you couldn't even answer that part). Roll a TE J.T.'s way? Great a one on one match up with J.T against a TE when Taylor's the OLB in the 3-4 (guess who'll be covering your TE there a lot). Or what happens when J.T.'s lined up as the MLB or when J.T. is lined up over your RT or when J.T is lined up as the OLB over the TE on the right side. Every team has double and triple teamed J.T. the past 3 years and he always gets his 9+ sacks. And last year he didn't have Kevin Carter opposite him. This isn't the dolphins scheme of the past 10 years. This is Saban's scheme...you know that scheme he taught Belichek a lot about over the past 10 years?

Comparing your TE's to Randy McMicheal is pathetic. 800 yards and 4TD's by McMicheal last year in a system where he maybe only saw 6 balls thrown his way a game. He's now in a more TE friendly system also. The simple fact is that your TE talent is a wash against Seau/Thomas/Crowder/Spragan with occassional cover by Shulters.

As for your not leaving man coverage on Boston so wait. Your going to leave 2 of Chambers/McMicheal or Booker on man coverage a lot so you can double team our 3rd WR? All I can say is PLEASE :) Not to mention Brown is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. And don't throw preseason stuff out there. We all know the preseason means nothing.

As for the stats why wouldn't I throw that in there. 3 coaching changes and the stats never changed. That was a "well I lost that argument so I'll toss it out on a technicality.

The simple fact remains this defense was injury ravaged last year and the offense was more inept and in the middle of coaching changes and you still only squeaked out a 3 pt win. How can you be so ****y that at the lowest point of this teams history in 40 years you only sqeaked out a 3 point win.
 
OSKIE said:
Which if you read is why we likely end up in zone coverage when the match-up dictates.

I forgot to mention eariler. Our LB's were able to keep the two best TE's in the league to these #'s last year.

Tony Gonzalez- 2 catches for 17 yards. (game 1)
That was despite Green throwing the ball 32 times in an attempt to come from behind. BTW, that game was a season opener. Shanny had extra time to prepare. Trent Green was 16 of 32 for 174 yards 0 TD's and 1 INT. A probowl QB struggled in the opener!!!

Tony Gonzalez- 3 catches for 44 yards (game 2)

Antonio Gates- 4 catches for 30 yards (game 1)
Antonio Gates- 3 catches for 31 yards (game 2)

Neither of them had a single TD! Both of them had Pro-bowl QB's throwing the ball. If you think McMichael concerns a Broncos fan your barking up the wrong tree... btw, our defense has improved... especially in the LB corps which is who draws the TE coverage 90% of the time in our schemes. You may even see our DL covering the TE in some instances. Both Trev Pryce and Courtney Brown have drawn that assignment in practice. I don't care for it b/c it gives you the advantage, but it's part of our "3-4" look which Saban can not game plan for b/c we haven't run it in a game yet!

That's great but Ian Gold is no improvement. He still has to go out there and prove he can regain his form since the injury. He sucked hard in Tampa Bay.

And that's great about those numbers but you forget that Randy had 5 catches for 62 yards in that game and was only thrown to 6 times. Putzier on the other hand only had 2 catches for 30 yards.
 
VanDolPhan said:
You can overlook Miami all you want but we have a damn fine core of WR's. A potential pro bowler at TE, An excellent set of ProBowl DE's, A pro bowl LB core with the new addition of Channing Crowder (learn that name..you'll see it on plenty of all rookie teams by the end of the year).

You can also sit there and conviently forget that when you played Miami last year that you won by a measly 3 points in the middle of Miami's coaching turnover, our current 3rd down RB starting, Zach Thomas out, Both Starting DT's out, Junior Seau out. I also believe David Bowens was out at that point to. You barely squeaked out a win with half our defense on the IR.

You mean Chambers, Booker, and Boston make up a fine corp of WR's. I'll buy that. They are all talented. Booker was a disappointment and Boston is a head case. Talented yes, but does it translate? Who are these probowl DE's. Taylor I grant you. Who is this probowl LB crew? Seau and Thomas? You must be stuck in 2000 still? Channing Crowder could be a good one. But, with all rookies you'll have to show me on the field. I've not had the advantage of seeing him a lot during the preseason so I'll take the wait and see approach.

Last year when Miami came to Denver we were in a downward spiral. We had just lost to SD which essentially put us out of contention for the AFC West. An excuse...yes, but it's a viable excuse. It was a letdown game and we were lucky to even come out with a 3 point victory. Also, keep in mind that Plummer was in the middle of a 3 game stretch/slump. This slump featured Jake throwing 1 TD vs 8 INT's. You have every right to call this an excuse... that's all it is and I can admit it.
 
VanDolPhan said:
That's great but Ian Gold is no improvement. He still has to go out there and prove he can regain his form since the injury. He sucked hard in Tampa Bay.

And that's great about those numbers but you forget that Randy had 5 catches for 62 yards in that game and was only thrown to 6 times. Putzier on the other hand only had 2 catches for 30 yards.

Sorry but Ian Gold is a big time upgrade over Donnie Spragan. If you're wondering about Ian coming back from injury I suggest you check his #'s from last year. 71 tackles w/ a sack and an INT. Not eye popping good, but certainly proof that he's over his injury. Plus it's common knowledge that a player returns to true form on his 2nd season subsequent to an ACL injury.

Randy had 5 catches for 62 yards but was targeted 10 times in that game. I'll take a 50% completion rate any time!!!
 
And the excuses start coming. Come on with the downward spiral. Your preaching to the KINGS of the downward spiral last year.

Booker caught 50 passes in a horrible offense. That's not too shabby considering how pathetic Feeley and the offensive line was last year. Boston may be a headcase but he plays hard on the field and the numbers have always been solid on them.

As for your Pro Bowl comments. Zach has been in the probowl 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. Kevin Carter made it in 2002 and Jason Taylor has been 2000, 2002, 2004. Yah that's really 2000 buddy. You really are digging a hole. The only analysis you've brought isn't even your own.

It's going to be a close game no matter what spin you try to put on it. There's a 50/50 chance it will go either way.
 
ckparrothead said:
The Dolphins win this one, but are not likely to win many other ones in 2005.



Comments: ckparrothead@yahoo.com

It was a good post, and an excellent write up on the upcoming game, I just could've done with your very last sentence, and as far as the weather goes. You basically said that we will win because of the South Florida heat and humidity, well........... This isn't going to be the only game where this is going to be a big factor, hell even late in the year(December) when most teams are getting used to the cold it is STILL hot in Miami so you could make the argument that the heat is even more of a factor towards the end of the year than it is at the beginning. I still understand what you're saying, but if you think we have enough talent to beat The Broncos, and will have a nice adavantage because of the weather, then that should mean........... We have good talent, AND The weather will be a factor in our favor for Every home game. This was still a very good post, and I'm not in any way trying to tear it down, but rather trying to put a little bit more of a positive spin on it for the Entire year not just week 1.
 
outlawd2u said:
It was a good post, and an excellent write up on the upcoming game, I just could've done with your very last sentence, and as far as the weather goes. You basically said that we will win because of the South Florida heat and humidity, well........... This isn't going to be the only game where this is going to be a big factor, hell even late in the year(December) when most teams are getting used to the cold it is STILL hot in Miami so you could make the argument that the heat is even more of a factor towards the end of the year than it is at the beginning. I still understand what you're saying, but if you think we have enough talent to beat The Broncos, and will have a nice adavantage because of the weather, then that should mean........... We have good talent, AND The weather will be a factor in our favor for Every home game. This was still a very good post, and I'm not in any way trying to tear it down, but rather trying to put a little bit more of a positive spin on it for the Entire year not just week 1.

It's calling for 91F today and 89F for Sunday not including the humidity. We will have to see if it can climb a few more notches before tommorow.
 
byroan said:
Darrent Williams - 5'8 - 188
David Boston - 6'2 - 228

And a quote from a draft profile on Darrent.
Quote:
Despite his leaping ability, he struggles to match up vs. the bigger receivers on the perimeter.





NICE!!!
 
VanDolPhan said:
I would but there is nothing to respond to. Your responses are fluff and shows you don't even KNOW the defensive scheme the phins are throwing at you(hence why you couldn't even answer that part). Roll a TE J.T.'s way? Great a one on one match up with J.T against a TE when Taylor's the OLB in the 3-4 (guess who'll be covering your TE there a lot). Or what happens when J.T.'s lined up as the MLB or when J.T. is lined up over your RT or when J.T is lined up as the OLB over the TE on the right side. Every team has double and triple teamed J.T. the past 3 years and he always gets his 9+ sacks. And last year he didn't have Kevin Carter opposite him. This isn't the dolphins scheme of the past 10 years. This is Saban's scheme...you know that scheme he taught Belichek a lot about over the past 10 years?

I suggest you check my post on the previous page if you think I don't know what D Saban is running. The matchup with JT isn't a TE vs JT. It's an OT with a TE sealing allowing Plummer to roll out. Taylor is one of the smartest players along the line in the NFL. He knows that Denver will rollout and that will cause him to hesitate in his pass rush. His primary assignment will be containment, then he can passrush. The scheme is nothing new to the NFL... but it is new to your team which means there WILL be mistakes. I know it's hard for your pea-sized brain to comprehend this, but an offense or defense takes time to learn, refine, and become proficient in a new scheme!

Comparing your TE's to Randy McMicheal is pathetic. 800 yards and 4TD's by McMicheal last year in a system where he maybe only saw 6 balls thrown his way a game. He's now in a more TE friendly system also. The simple fact is that your TE talent is a wash against Seau/Thomas/Crowder/Spragan with occassional cover by Shulters.

There were 9 games in which McMichael was targeted 8 times or more. 3 of those games featured 10 or more times he was targeted. If you're going to lie to make your point then it's proof I've alreay won this arguement! We use multiple TE's in several sets. That's the main reason you see Jeb's #'s drastically reduced when compared to Randy's. For example, Jeb Putzier was targeted 6 times (season high) only once last year. Yet he still had 572 yards and a avg of 16 yards per catch. Tops for ALL NFL TE's! If you look at it from a TE perspective, our TE's accounted for over 800 yards and 7 TD's. That was with Pat Hape, Jeb Putzier, and House as our TE's. This year our TE's are drastically improved. Putzier, Alexander, Jackson, Duke, and Leach. 3 of those guys are faster than any LB on your team. You can find this information by doing a simple search on your draft prospects. Putz ran a 4.6 flat. Nate Jackson is in the 4.5's. Wesley Duke is in the high 4.5's from reports but I can provide any proof for Duke's 40 time. Crowder ran a 4.62 40 and he IS your fastest LB. If you think Sr Seau or Zach are faster well you surely wouldn't bring that arguement!

As for your not leaving man coverage on Boston so wait. Your going to leave 2 of Chambers/McMicheal or Booker on man coverage a lot so you can double team our 3rd WR? All I can say is PLEASE :) Not to mention Brown is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. And don't throw preseason stuff out there. We all know the preseason means nothing.

Again, you don't comprehend too well. When Boston is in the game and the matchup dictates we'll be in zone coverage. Do I need to explain zone coverage to you? Do you think that means that Boston is going to covered in zone coverage and the rest will be man to man??? Ronnie Brown is a good WR out of the backfield. But he's never faced team speed like the Denver Broncos. Our LB's are faster than your safties!!! Our DL is as fast as your LB's!

As for the stats why wouldn't I throw that in there. 3 coaching changes and the stats never changed. That was a "well I lost that argument so I'll toss it out on a technicality.

Three coaching changes and each one of them had NFL experience!!! Big difference. If you think you're making a point your only embarrassing yourself!

The simple fact remains this defense was injury ravaged last year and the offense was more inept and in the middle of coaching changes and you still only squeaked out a 3 pt win. How can you be so ****y that at the lowest point of this teams history in 40 years you only sqeaked out a 3 point win.

I've already covered the game last year. It was a letdown game. Also keep in mind that Denver had it's fair share of injuries last year as well. You discount that Trev Pryce missed the whole season. You forget that our starting DT's missed nearly every game as well. Lenny Walls missed half the season. Injuries are a part of the game... that's where depth comes in and Denver is deeper in every position than the Miami Dolphins. There isn't a single aspect in which your team has an advantage...not one!

Dude, you're gonna have to bring it strong b/c this is too easy. You dont' have a clue and got into it with somebody that knows football... you're out of your league!
 
VanDolPhan said:
It's calling for 91F today and 89F for Sunday not including the humidity. We will have to see if it can climb a few more notches before tommorow.


You guys are begging for the heat b/c you know that's the only chance you have!!!
 
CsonkaClone said:
Quote:
Despite his leaping ability, he struggles to match up vs. the bigger receivers on the perimeter.


NICE!!!


BTW, Darrent Williams has locked down such players as Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, and faces Ash on a daily basis. All players with good size. It's a moot point, but chances are that Denver will rely on zone coverage when Boston is on the field.
 
OSKIE said:
Dude, you're gonna have to bring it strong b/c this is too easy. You dont' have a clue and got into it with somebody that knows football... you're out of your league!

I wouldn't go that far...I think he's handled you quite well.
 
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