Comparing David Boston to other WR's

[Breed]

terrell davis is great when hes on the field, lets pick him up... oh know who else, lets get back yatil green, give him another shot... or jamal anderson, hes gotten a lot of yards before...

point is, yes if he can stay on the field everyone knows he can be good... but thats like saying if feeley throws no interceptions he'll be a good QB... its pretty obvious but unlikely to happen...

i hope he goes nuts here and has a great career, but stop getting your hopes up that hes gonna turn our entire team around, just like people did last year...

Terrell was a great player in a great system. How many successful Denver running backs have had success since he's retired? Not to mention Davis hasn't played since 2001 where he was only average considering the oline he ran behind. Terrell Davis is also 31. I think we're set at RB.

Comparing Yatil Green to David Boston is asinine. David Boston MIGHT be a has been but Yatil Green is a "never was". Green played 9 total games in his career for only 234 yards receiving. Not to mention Boston is still only 26 years old.

When did I ever say Boston was going to set the world on fire with the Dolphins?

 

[arsenal]

Terrell was a great player in a great system. How many successful Denver running backs have had success since he's retired? Not to mention Davis hasn't played since 2001 where he was only average considering the oline he ran behind. Terrell Davis is also 31. I think we're set at RB.

Comparing Yatil Green to David Boston is asinine. David Boston MIGHT be a has been but Yatil Green is a "never was". Green played 9 total games in his career for only 234 yards receiving. Not to mention Boston is still only 26 years old.

When did I ever say Boston was going to set the world on fire with the Dolphins?

you had a humougus first post talking about how great boston is... and im not talking about the talent of the players i listed, im talking about being INJURY PRONE and they were just examples...

if you gave any GM in the league the choice to have either david boston or david terrell who do you think thye would pick, and why?

itd obviously be terrell cause hes shown he can stay on the field, boston hasn't had a full season on the field since what 01?

but again im happy to have him for so cheap, i just dont expect to get this monstrous production that everyone seems to think hes gonna bring, i'll be happy if he just plays at least half the season for us...

 

[Dolfan1000]

Don't be stupid .What does Willis have to do with this?

Am I wrong in saying that Boston has injury issues? It's a simple question.

check this out. http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=79762

Willis has had 1 injury. Boston has had several. DUH!!!

Yes, you are right, Willis only had one injury... which was practically career threatening. Hell, he is like a piece of glass out there right now. One bad cut and his career is over in a snap. Please, dont be so naive. He is a huge gamble every time he steps out on the field.

 

[ch19079]

well, the best comparison is not with another WR, but with a baseball player.

J. Giambi.
was a dominant player, then people found out he was on the juice.

and now he cant do anything. his body size adn strength is diffrent so he has to adjust, and his mind is shot, cus he knows everyone in the stands thinks hes a cheat.

but if you want to compare what he was a few years ago to other WRs.... owens a few years ago.

but alot has happend in 2 years.

 

[Boik14]

well, the best comparison is not with another WR, but with a baseball player.

J. Giambi.
was a dominant player, then people found out he was on the juice.

and now he cant do anything. his body size adn strength is diffrent so he has to adjust, and his mind is shot, cus he knows everyone in the stands thinks hes a cheat.

but if you want to compare what he was a few years ago to other WRs.... owens a few years ago.

but alot has happend in 2 years.

2 things:

- dbo was suspended for a performance enhancing substance which doesnt necessarily mean juice. With the NFL's list the way it is (very strict) it could easily have been anything from sudafed to creatine.

- Giambi has started hitting the ball again the last few games. Quick, run to pick him up in fantasy baseball leagues everywhere.

 

[ch19079]

Yes, you are right, Willis only had one injury... which was practically career threatening. Hell, he is like a piece of glass out there right now. One bad cut and his career is over in a snap. Please, dont be so naive. He is a huge gamble every time he steps out on the field.

i dont think hes a walking piece of glass just waiting to shatter.

it was almost a carrer ending injury, but he HAS shown he can take a hit and not only keep going, but push people back and get a first down.

i am not holding my breath everytime he gets hit. its his job to get hit. if he cant take a hit, than he wouldnt be playing football. please dont be so naive.

 

[Dolfan1000]

Do you know the meaning of the word naive? That makes zero sense.

You're right- Willis has definitely proven he can take a hit. :shakeno: He has barely played a full season, and there were several times last year when I can recall he went down hard and I can pretty much guarantee that you and the rest of the Jilly fans were holding your breath.

 

[ch19079]

2 things:

- dbo was suspended for a performance enhancing substance which doesnt necessarily mean juice. With the NFL's list the way it is (very strict) it could easily have been anything from sudafed to creatine.

- Giambi has started hitting the ball again the last few games. Quick, run to pick him up in fantasy baseball leagues everywhere.

his body size when in arizona was such, that when he was found to be taking "performance enhancing substance" i think its safe to say it was some form of steroid, and not just cough medicine.

but you are right, we dont know exactly what he took....

and if the yankees could, they would drop giambi the first chance they could. hes an embarasment to that franchise. and they know it. but wont pay him 80 million just to cut him.

 

[Breed]

you had a humougus first post talking about how great boston is... and im not talking about the talent of the players i listed, im talking about being INJURY PRONE and they were just examples...

if you gave any GM in the league the choice to have either david boston or david terrell who do you think thye would pick, and why?

itd obviously be terrell cause hes shown he can stay on the field, boston hasn't had a full season on the field since what 01?

but again im happy to have him for so cheap, i just dont expect to get this monstrous production that everyone seems to think hes gonna bring, i'll be happy if he just plays at least half the season for us...

You misunderstood the point (or several points) of my post. I just stated Boston is great ON THE FIELD. I have concerns about his health also, but he has been good/great in the past and he's still is only 26 years old. I've been a long time lurker and have read numerous posters say they'd rather the Dolphins Az Hakim than David Boston. Boston only has to play 12 games or so to reach Az Hakim's 16 game production.....not to mention Boston is cheaper, younger and bigger with similar speed.

David Boston made it through 3 full seasons without any injury problems (missing 0 games)........that didn't last. Injuries happen. David Terrell has talent but has never been productive he's also 26 years old like David Boston. Note that David Terrell missed 11 games in 2002 due to injury and only started 1 game that year.

If I gave any GM in the league a choice between David Boston and David Terrell their answers would probably vary.......but I'm pretty sure most GMs would prefer David Boston because his talent and production are both superior that alone would be worth rolling the dice on.

 

[ch19079]

Do you know the meaning of the word naive? That makes zero sense.

You're right- Willis has definitely proven he can take a hit. :shakeno: He has barely played a full season, and there were several times last year when I can recall he went down hard and I can pretty much guarantee that you and the rest of the Jilly fans were holding your breath.

i remember him going down hard a few times (1 time bouncing off a large camera stand that doesnt move :shakeno: ). maybe sitting out 1 or 2 plays, but he would just get come back and run hard in the rest of the game. the 1 time that he didnt come back is cus he landed akwardly on his knee. but IMO, a player who did not have reconstruction on his knee would still have been hurt and came out of the game. i dont think the injury made it worse, or caused the problem. (but im no doc, i just saw the replay).

and any time a player goes down for whatever reason, that team's fans are holding there breath.

and i will stand by my use of the word naive. since you still think hes just a walking piece of glass waiting to break. and your belief that we are holding our breath every time he gets the ball.

we want him to get the ball. if we felt diffrently, we wouldnt want him out there at all.

 

[Boik14]

his body size when in arizona was such, that when he was found to be taking "performance enhancing substance" i think its safe to say it was some form of steroid, and not just cough medicine.

but you are right, we dont know exactly what he took....

and if the yankees could, they would drop giambi the first chance they could. hes an embarasment to that franchise. and they know it. but wont pay him 80 million just to cut him.

D-Bo never got busted in zona for performance enhancing drugs; i believe that was last year as a phin.

And while NYY would drop Giambi to get out of his contract, the last few games hes looked like retro giambi. Hitting the ball hard all over the place.

 

[Mike13]

The point of this post isn’t so much about comparing the Dolphins WR’s vs. the Patriots WR’s;, but comparing Boston’s numbers to other WR’s showing that when he is on the field he is better than just a decent receiver.

David Boston
70 games (61 games started), 311 receptions, 4,619 receiving yards and 25 TD’s over 6 NFL seasons (he didn’t even play last season so those stats are accumulated over 5 NFL seasons)

Chris Chambers
61 games (52 games started),233 receptions, 3,478 receiving yards and 28 TD’s over 4 NFL seasons

Marty Booker
84 games (71 games started), 365 receptions, 4,322 receiving yards and 24 TD’s over 6 NFL seasons)

Deion Branch
37 games (26 games started), 135 receptions, 1,746 receiving yards and 9 TD’s over 3 NFL seasons.

David Givens
40 games (17 games started), 99 receptions, 1,476 receiving yards and 10 TD’s over 3 NFL seasons

David Terrell
53 games (29 games started), 128 receptions, 1,602 receiving yards and 9 TD’s in 4 NFL seasons

Many people point out Boston’s season in SD and say “see……..he’s not all that goodâ€Â. Boston had 880 yards receiving in 14 games that year, that averages out to 1,006 yards (1,005.7 to be exact) over a full 16 game season.. That’s an average of 63 yards receiving per game, that’s Boston’s worst average of yards per game since his rookie season in 1999 where Boston played all 16 games but only started 8. Boston averaged only 30 yards receiving per game his rookie season.

To get an idea of how good Boston has been when he’s on the field I’m going to compare his yards receiving per game to players like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison and Eric Moulds………I will then add in Deion Branch, David Givens, David Terrell, Az Hakim (who many posters thought would be a better signing than David Boston despite being more expensive), Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

Torry Holt-84.96 receiving yards per game. This projects to 1,359.33 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

Randy Moss-83.87 receiving yards per game. This projects to 1,341.94 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

Marvin Harrison-80.47 receiving yards per game. This projects to 1,287.48 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

Terrell Owens-72.39 receiving yards per game. This projects to 1,158.16 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

David Boston-65.99 receiving yards per game. This projects to 1,055.77 receiving yards over a 16 game season. Keep in mind that Boston started only half his games his rookie season (where he played in all 16) and had 473 yards receiving. This is worth noting because the 473 yards that he had in 1999 is really out of the norm as compared to the of his career. These are 16 games really drive down his rypc……it may not seem like much but that is 16 out of the possible 70 games he’s played over his career. Take away Boston’s rookie season and he averaged 76.78 receiving yards per game…….that’s not to say he’s better than Terrell Owens but he’s in the same class when he’s on the field.

Eric Moulds-59.57 receiving yards per game. This projects to 953.09 receiving yards over a 16 game season. He’s really a better receiver than this…….Moulds started only 14 games his first 2 seasons out of the 32 games he played in. Moulds had a combined 573 receiving yards his first 2 seasons. Take away his first 2 seasons and he averaged 72.03 receiving yards per game.

Chris Chambers-56.10 receiving yards per game. This projects to 897.55 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

Marty Booker-51.45 receiving yards per game. This projects to 823.24 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

Deion Branch-47.19 receiving yards per game. This projects to 755.03 receiving yards over a 16 game season.. As with David Givens I think Branch could be an 800-1,000 yard receiver.

Az Hakim-38.64 receiving yards per game. This projects to 618.26 receiving yards over a 16 game season.

David Givens-36.9 receiving yards per game. This projects to 590.4 receiving yards over a 16 game season. He’s still only 24 so he’s young. I’d expect his numbers to go up. With the way New England spreads the ball I’m not sure he’ll be a 1,100 yard receiver but he could be an 800-1,000 yard receiver.

David Terrell-30.23 receiving yards per game. This projects to 48.62 receiving yards per game.

Funny how Deion Branch is a great receiver (according to some New England fans) while missing 11 games over the past 3 seasons but Boston is “no good†when he’s (Boston) missed 24 games over the past 6 seasons and has had much more production.

Kick *** post, That shows that we have some of the best weapons in the NFL

 

[ch19079]

D-Bo never got busted in zona for performance enhancing drugs; i believe that was last year as a phin.

And while NYY would drop Giambi to get out of his contract, the last few games hes looked like retro giambi. Hitting the ball hard all over the place.

1) i know he didnt test positive in arizona. i never said he did.

2) is that why they wanted to send him down to the minors? or was it his batting average?

 

[FinaticPatch]

I take issue with the Chambers and Booker comparisons. Give them a QB as talented as Plummer and we can talk. The only WR with a QB situation like theirs was Terrell. You can compare Terrell to Booker and see that wasn't the only factor for him, though.

Also keep in mind AZ has no one else at WR and no running games. Teams would sit and wait for the pass and Boston still put up monster numbers. Give Arizona Ricky Williiams and there will be few safties to help over the top.

 

[Boik14]

1) i know he didnt test positive in arizona. i never said he did.

2) is that why they wanted to send him down to the minors? or was it his batting average?

When you mentioned the thing about dbo's body size in zona i thought his positive test was what you were referring to.

They wanted to send Giambi down like a week ago to get his confidence up. That no longer seems to be an issue. If you watched the last 3 games or so you'd understand what i mean when i say he was pounding the ball. Hes come through with som big hits and hes been hitting rockets. Last night against a shift to the RT side of the infield he hit a ball so hard that 3 infielders couldnt get to it.