Concern over Ireland finishing the year

[NCFINFAN13]

As if those records tell the whole story. Crawl under a rock boy..

Actually yes. GM's aren't measured by mediocrity, they're measured by success. 5 sub-par seasons out of 6 is pretty unsuccessful. As for the current stats for our team, the measure of a GM's success is not measured through the snap shot of parts of seasons. It's measured through their tenure. In any other job in the world, except perhaps politics, missing 5 out of 6 budgets, gets you canned no matter how well intentioned you are.

 

[z926538]

As if those records tell the whole story. Crawl under a rock boy..

You are what your record says you are.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

You are what your record says you are.

Right, but yall acting like there's no light at the end of the Tunnel that he's directly responsible for.

Tannehill, Hartline, Wallace, Vernon, Odrick, Grimes, Dion, Clay, Pouncey, Matthews, Gibson before he got hurt. WE HAVE THE 9TH YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WITH CAP SPACE AND DRAFT PICKS. THIS TEAM IS YOUNG AND EMERGING **** THE PAST WHAT ABOUT RIGHT ****ING NOW????

 

[z926538]

**** THE PAST WHAT ABOUT RIGHT ****ING NOW????

The past: Don Shula and Joe Thomas - two Super Bowls and five appearances.
The past: Dan Marino, deep playoff runs most every year, and an offense that, win or lose, was exciting to watch.

Now: 6-6 and an offense that can't score over 30 points a game in a league where the passing rules make it next to impossible not to score over 30 points a game

 

[KB21]

Jeff Ireland isn't a bad scout, however, he's not a good GM. He lacks a vision for a complete roster. He's been terrible with roster management, and I think there is a lot of evidence that he and Joe Philbin are not on the same page when it comes to personnel. Plus, I don't know of a GM that kept his job with Jeff's track record. Years of mediocrity, and when you combine that with our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks during his time, things just aren't good. Jonathan Martin is the latest in a long line of 2nd round busts that includes Philip Merling and Pat White, and with Dallas Thomas, we have another 3rd round flop. The coaches do not think Thomas can play and wanted Sam Brenner on the roster instead of Thomas at the end of training camp, but Ireland cut Brenner instead because he spent a third on Thomas. There is a reason Thomas has only played 2 snaps with all the injuries and has been passed up by Sam Brenner. Thomas just isn't very good. You can put him in the Patrick Turner class of 3rd round picks.

 

[finfan54]

Yes overrated by dolphin homers, he's solid and I like him, but lets not get crazy. He is an average WR, will never sniff a probowl or score many TDs. He is a possession receiver. That's not bashing him, that is just what he is.

um, no, he is not avg. He continuously burns CB's long and short. Great route runner. great big play guy on 3rd down. Great tip toer on the sideline.

please dont you get crazy. Hartline would be snagged up by 4/5ths of the league if he were on the market.

 

[Shouright]

Jeff Ireland isn't a bad scout, however, he's not a good GM. He lacks a vision for a complete roster. He's been terrible with roster management, and I think there is a lot of evidence that he and Joe Philbin are not on the same page when it comes to personnel. Plus, I don't know of a GM that kept his job with Jeff's track record. Years of mediocrity, and when you combine that with our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks during his time, things just aren't good. Jonathan Martin is the latest in a long line of 2nd round busts that includes Philip Merling and Pat White, and with Dallas Thomas, we have another 3rd round flop. The coaches do not think Thomas can play and wanted Sam Brenner on the roster instead of Thomas at the end of training camp, but Ireland cut Brenner instead because he spent a third on Thomas. There is a reason Thomas has only played 2 snaps with all the injuries and has been passed up by Sam Brenner. Thomas just isn't very good. You can put him in the Patrick Turner class of 3rd round picks.

And unfortunately, this is the area of the draft in which there is typically the greatest value.

 

[finfan54]

Jeff Ireland isn't a bad scout, however, he's not a good GM. He lacks a vision for a complete roster. He's been terrible with roster management, and I think there is a lot of evidence that he and Joe Philbin are not on the same page when it comes to personnel. Plus, I don't know of a GM that kept his job with Jeff's track record. Years of mediocrity, and when you combine that with our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks during his time, things just aren't good. Jonathan Martin is the latest in a long line of 2nd round busts that includes Philip Merling and Pat White, and with Dallas Thomas, we have another 3rd round flop. The coaches do not think Thomas can play and wanted Sam Brenner on the roster instead of Thomas at the end of training camp, but Ireland cut Brenner instead because he spent a third on Thomas. There is a reason Thomas has only played 2 snaps with all the injuries and has been passed up by Sam Brenner. Thomas just isn't very good. You can put him in the Patrick Turner class of 3rd round picks.

KB, your statements are based on our record mostly when you say mediocrity. Jeff Ireland is just coming into his own with draft picks.

Jordan
Pouncey
Odrick
Egnew (yes even Egnew is starting to do good things)
Reshad Jones (5th rounder)
Carroll (5th rounder)
Misi
Lamar Miller (4th rounder)
Ryan Tannehill (yes, he is coming along just fine and Wallace will be a complete stud for us next year with him)
Dion Sims (good blocker who will develope into the offense nice next year)

He also managed with Aponte to have a huge offseason while being way under the cap and is also set up nice for this coming offseason.

I am sorry. but alot of you are just not being honest in a big picture sense.

 

[finfan54]

anyone can find guys who didnt pan out on any team. Bill Belichek has more of these than Jeff Ireland does.

Pat White is a defenite Bill Parcells pick. EVeryone knows this!

 

[Shouright]

KB, your statements are based on our record mostly when you say mediocrity. Jeff Ireland is just coming into his own with draft picks.

Jordan
Pouncey
Odrick
Egnew (yes even Egnew is starting to do good things)
Reshad Jones (5th rounder)
Carroll (5th rounder)
Misi
Lamar Miller (4th rounder)
Ryan Tannehill (yes, he is coming along just fine and Wallace will be a complete stud for us next year with him)
Dion Sims (good blocker who will develope into the offense nice next year)

There isn't a single player in that list, other than Pouncey, who has done anything extraordinary on a consistent basis in the NFL, and Pouncey was a first-round center.

 

[finfan54]

Yeah, the "fail to name his replacement" argument is nonsense. If you have a **** employee, do you keep him just because you don't know his replacement yet? Isn't that what the whole hiring process is for? Hardly an excuse to keep him around, but nice try.

I could argue with you all day no problem on why he doesnt suck azz. But I wont convince you. So whats the diff. People who hated Ireland will always hate Ireland no matter what he does good. People who make arguements against him deny all the good.

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There isn't a single player in that list, other than Pouncey, who has done anything extraordinary on a consistent basis in the NFL, and Pouncey was a first-round center.

Their young Shouright! They are developing!!!!!

You apparently dont get playing in the NFL really well do you?

 

[finfan54]

and shouright, you sayin we should let Carroll go? You saying Misi wasnt worth resigning? you saying Reshad Jones wasnt worth the money he got? You saying Odirck is not good? You saying Jordan will not be the equivelant of JT? Because I would like people to honestly go on record and tell me why none of these picks are no good.

Seriously. You people think in a vaacuum.

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oh and lets not forget OV!!!!

The dude is on fire yet Ireland sucks at 3rd round picks. okie dokie. lets continue.....

 

[Shouright]

Their young Shouright! They are developing!!!!!

And that could be said for every player who never did anything extraordinary on a consistent basis early in his career and then went on to never do anything extraordinary.

In other words, neither you nor anyone else here, including myself, knows whether they're simply "developing" or will be just ordinary long-term.

You apparently dont get playing in the NFL really well do you?

Not at all. I'm a complete moron, in fact. :)

 

[finfan54]

Reshard matthews (7th rounder). maybe he is a bust?

Jimmy Wilson (7th rounder) Is he sucking ass these days?

Please comment on these guys individually and how they are playing today.

And I havent even started on the FA's yet.

mike Wallace? bust FA? oh yeah, its about the money. dude got what he got. now he is getting in sync.

Dustin keller. one can only imagine what our offense would be like with him.

Grimes. nuff said.

Bryant McKinney. saved our season for the most part.

We are still primed to go out and get a couple of studs in FA and sign our own. How did we get here? Bill Parcells? I dont think so.

 

[finfan54]

And that could be said for every player who never did anything extraordinary on a consistent basis early in his career and then went on to never do anything extraordinary.

In other words, neither you nor anyone else here, including myself, knows whether they're simply "developing" or will be just ordinary long-term.

Not at all. I'm a complete moron, in fact. :)

so once again, you ignore what i am asking. Do you think Dion Jordan is a bust and will never amount to anything close to JT? If you and others were honest, and not speaking politically because of just hatred for the man because he asked about momma being a prostitute you should see things a little more clearly... if you were honest.


I will re-itterate my stands on Ireland staying.

1. He gets the ok from Ross/Philbin to stay and thinks he is doing a good job. (they have more inside info than I do)
2. No ramifications from Martin/Incog. But everyone is under duress in that regard including Philbin and all coaches.