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Cowherd talks Manning, says Phins on cusp of being "elite"

That QB helped the team become SB contenders 2 of his first 3 years so we'll keep him.

He's d**k. Strictly hot-and-cold, even when your O-Line was topshelf and healthy. Give THAT and your weapons to P. MANNING and you're the so-called "odds on" favorite.
 
That QB helped the team become SB contenders 2 of his first 3 years so we'll keep him.
The jest were NEVER sb contenders. You are delusional and mentally sick. The jest were gifted into the playoffs. They were never going to the sb especially with all the **** going on in the locker room. After the *** raping Miami laid down u should not be thinking playoffs...
 
ummm the fact is he did play those games, and you cant take them out, how can you say they skew them if it actually happened? common your getting desperate to defend this guy, just magically making 3 games dissapear, if you took the 3 worst game of any QB in any season and said they "skewed" the numbers every QB would look marginally better, take out Matt Moore's 3 worst games this season

if you take out both Jets games and the Giants game (his worst 3) 15 TDs 3 INTs

you can skew it any way you want to make yourself believe Sanchez will ever be a good QB

You can't convince him, he is a mentally sick fella. Like the girl who is kidnapped and raped, she fall in love and stand by the criminal side. He needs help, professional help and new glasses prescription. He cannot see the truth until then
 
If Manning reaches out to Miami and they do not reach back. They are idiots. Manning will be cut and he will choose who he wants to play for and he will get payed whatever market price for his services are. I'm guessing around 12mil pr yr. Sign him and if possible bring Reggie Wayne here too.
 
Manning would make a lesser skilled player better. who knew of pierre gauson? he make the team function at a higher level, and thus you don't a 1st round receiver, or runnigback, or TE.
 
Bush could rush for 1000 yards again, why not? give some insight as to why not
 
8-2? Who said anything about benching him at 8-2? Rex thought about benching Sanchez in 2010 after / during the Miami game. The Jets were 9-4 at that point and Sanchez was coming off 2 terrible performances. 17-33-164-0-3 against NE, and then 5-19-55-1-0 against Mia. The only reason he didn't get benched is because the Jets had no real backup QB. I don't believe Rex was ever going to bench him this year (He said as much in a press conference) but if the Jets had a decent back up, he should have. Not a 100% of the blame goes on Sanchez, but he deserves his fair share for his play down the stretch which cost the Jets a playoff spot.

You think he had an off year, but I really think we saw the real Sanchez without the help of a great D and running game.

I meant 8-5, we were discussing this year.

In 2010 he did that to motivate, he said so in his book. There was no cahnce he was benching him.

We didn't have a great D and great run game in 2010 either so wouldn't that be the real Sanchez?

ummm the fact is he did play those games, and you cant take them out, how can you say they skew them if it actually happened? common your getting desperate to defend this guy, just magically making 3 games dissapear, if you took the 3 worst game of any QB in any season and said they "skewed" the numbers every QB would look marginally better, take out Matt Moore's 3 worst games this season

if you take out both Jets games and the Giants game (his worst 3) 15 TDs 3 INTs

you can skew it any way you want to make yourself believe Sanchez will ever be a good QB

he did play and he was awful, they all count but when you don't just look at the #s you see he played well in most games as a rookie and overall had a good year for a rookie.

Matt Moore has proven to be a good QB when he has no pressure to win, once he does he fails. There is no comparison btw the 2 QBs.
 
I meant 8-5, we were discussing this year.

In 2010 he did that to motivate, he said so in his book. There was no cahnce he was benching him.

We didn't have a great D and great run game in 2010 either so wouldn't that be the real Sanchez?



he did play and he was awful, they all count but when you don't just look at the #s you see he played well in most games as a rookie and overall had a good year for a rookie.

Matt Moore has proven to be a good QB when he has no pressure to win, once he does he fails. There is no comparison btw the 2 QBs.

I really don't know why you continue with that stale and already refuted narrative. As pointed out previously, Moore, despite doubling a bad Carolina team's wins to 8-8, while going 4-1 in 2010, had his career back to the wall on the basis of going a post-concussive 1-5 for an even worse team in 2010, where in 35% of the games he still accounted for 50% of their wins that season. He was pressed into action with virtually no preseason or practice 1st team reps for a winless demoralized team as possibly his last chance to prove his worth - with fans chanting "suck for luck" and rooting for him to lose. And you're saying there's no pressure there with his career at stake??

Even before Jets players confirmed it, I pointed out that in fact, it's Sanchez who has had no pressure on him: no matter how badly he crapped the bed, he knew that a AARP carrying dusty backup would never come in for him no matter how much he sucked. And I made this point prior to Jet players coming out and saying the same thing that he was felt entitled, never having been challenged by a serious backup and even Damon Woody coming out to say that the team coddles and babies him. Moore faced a helluva lot more pressure than Sanchez and actually went 6-3 in his last 9 games vs Sanchez 5-4.

Interestingly in reading the 3 main jets forums, not only is the salsa off the taco as far as the realistic consensus of Sanchez's potential of being a franchise QB goes, but when the "sign Henne" threads pop up, more often than not, the wish is that they could sign Moore instead with the expectation that he'd beat out Sanchez for the starting job. One thing Moore has that Sanchez doesn't is a fire within and outward leadership qualities. Sanchez just lacks the
'it factor" Sorry.
 
I really don't know why you continue with that stale and already refuted narrative. As pointed out previously, Moore, despite doubling a bad Carolina team's wins to 8-8, while going 4-1 in 2010, had his career back to the wall on the basis of going a post-concussive 1-5 for an even worse team in 2010, where in 35% of the games he still accounted for 50% of their wins that season. He was pressed into action with virtually no preseason or practice 1st team reps for a winless demoralized team as possibly his last chance to prove his worth - with fans chanting "suck for luck" and rooting for him to lose. And you're saying there's no pressure there with his career at stake??

Even before Jets players confirmed it, I pointed out that in fact, it's Sanchez who has had no pressure on him: no matter how badly he crapped the bed, he knew that a AARP carrying dusty backup would never come in for him no matter how much he sucked. And I made this point prior to Jet players coming out and saying the same thing that he was felt entitled, never having been challenged by a serious backup and even Damon Woody coming out to say that the team coddles and babies him. Moore faced a helluva lot more pressure than Sanchez and actually went 6-3 in his last 9 games vs Sanchez 5-4.

Interestingly in reading the 3 main jets forums, not only is the salsa off the taco as far as the realistic consensus of Sanchez's potential of being a franchise QB goes, but when the "sign Henne" threads pop up, more often than not, the wish is that they could sign Moore instead with the expectation that he'd beat out Sanchez for the starting job. One thing Moore has that Sanchez doesn't is a fire within and outward leadership qualities. Sanchez just lacks the
'it factor" Sorry.

Nothing has been refuted, you keep giving me excuses but the facts don't lie.

2009 w/ no pressure to win w/ Carolina out of the race he was excellent
2010 starting week 1 he stunk
2010 w/ Miami still not dead he starts out awful then when you are completely dead he plsy well.


Sanchez has had pressure to win from day 1. He may not have pressure from a backup QB but the bigger pressure is pressure to win and he has had that from day 1. Look at how everyone reacted after he went 8-8? In Miami Moore is celebrated for going 6-10.

We have crazy fans just like Miami and every team, typical fans that sway in the wind and don't truly understand the game.


The next big game Moore plays in will be his first.
 
I meant 8-5, we were discussing this year.

In 2010 he did that to motivate, he said so in his book. There was no cahnce he was benching him.

We didn't have a great D and great run game in 2010 either so wouldn't that be the real Sanchez?



he did play and he was awful, they all count but when you don't just look at the #s you see he played well in most games as a rookie and overall had a good year for a rookie.

Matt Moore has proven to be a good QB when he has no pressure to win, once he does he fails. There is no comparison btw the 2 QBs.
We agree on that. I would much rather have Moore. Take off the green glasses.
 
Nothing has been refuted, you keep giving me excuses but the facts don't lie.

2009 w/ no pressure to win w/ Carolina out of the race he was excellent
2010 starting week 1 he stunk
2010 w/ Miami still not dead he starts out awful then when you are completely dead he plsy well.


Sanchez has had pressure to win from day 1. He may not have pressure from a backup QB but the bigger pressure is pressure to win and he has had that from day 1. Look at how everyone reacted after he went 8-8? In Miami Moore is celebrated for going 6-10.

We have crazy fans just like Miami and every team, typical fans that sway in the wind and don't truly understand the game.


The next big game Moore plays in will be his first.

it's disingenuous but funny how you always come up with extenuating circumstances to enable Taco, apparently just like the organization does but conveniently disregard those same types of qualifiers when it comes to disproving your assertions like Moore being concussed in game 1, sitting out the next 2 and never being the same, and this season playing in front of home team fans actively rooting for him to lose. Not to mention that Damon Woody who'd know alot more about it than you admitting that Sanchez has been coddled and babied much to the detriment of the club. Sanchez has no fire, sits and sulks alone when things don't go well; even if he and Moore have similar skills sets, Moore at least has the "it factor" Maybe that'll change for Sanchez once he reaches puberty, but right now of the two, Moore is the "man" in more ways than one.

If Sanchez sits out because of an ingrown toenail, that would excuse his poor performance after coming back, right? Ditto Henne: he sucked despite a very porous OL managed by your new OL coach, and butter-fingered receivers, but under the same circumstances this season, it's not Taco's fault. GMAB!


 
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We agree on that. I would much rather have Moore. Take off the green glasses.

:lol: I guess we are heading into yet another offseason where Miami will be better everywhere and then still finish well behind the Jets.

it's disingenuous but funny how you always come up with extenuating circumstances to enable Taco, apparently just like the organization does but conveniently disregard those same types of qualifiers when it comes to disproving your assertions like Moore being concussed in game 1, sitting out the next 2 and never being the same, and this season playing in front of home team fans actively rooting for him to lose. Not to mention that Damon Woody who'd know alot more about it than you admitting that Sanchez has been coddled and babied much to the detriment of the club. Sanchez has no fire, sits and sulks alone when things don't go well; even if he and Moore have similar skills sets, Moore at least has the "it factor" Maybe that'll change for Sanchez once he reaches puberty, but right now of the two, Moore is the "man" in more ways than one.



I deal w/ facts, you deal w/ excuses. Now the excuse is he had a concussion- did he keep playing? Sanchez took a beating and I'll bet he may have had a concussion but he kept playing and he doesn't get the injur excuse.

By the way, when he supposedly suffered the concussion he had already thrown 3 INTs in a blowout loss against a mediocre team.

did you see the Woody interview? did you understand the xconext of the quote. his coddled comment was more b/c he had no competition from another QB.


Moore has the "it factor":lol2::lol2: This is Sanchez against Henne all over again, I can't wait to hear the excuses for the next QB when Miami looks for a real starter. Moore is a quality backup- I told you guys last summer he'd be perfect to backup Henne but you aren't winning anything w/ him as your starter.
 
bottom line: I don't care what happened 15mins later, it wasn't relevant at the time: but when Sanchez needed to beat us to have any possibility of again sneaking in the playoff's back door for a 3rd year in a row, he again crapped the bed. But of course he rises to the occasion (well maybe he does if the "occasion" is Lance Bass :idk:)
 
Now you are putting words in my mouth. The Jets have many good players. Dolphins and Jets are close in my mind. Records not much different, and we split home games. The thing is that you seem to be one of the very few that has not yet realized that Sanchez isn't good enough. I don't want to hear (again) about the two AFC title losses. Going back a year, he is terrible. His sideline demeanor seems to show that he pouts or doesn't care. When a real QB would be looking at the pics from upstairs with his OC, the guy sits alone like he's waiting for a bus. I get that you are a big Jets fan and he is your QB, but he is holding the team back, and lots of people understand this. The Jets would be a better team with someone else at QB.
 
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