The local reporters don't seem to like Thomas. Maybe he treats them poorly or dodges interviews. I always get the impression the organization is higher on Thomas than the media and therefore the fans. Have there been any feature stories on Thomas? Not many. I would hate to describe his voice or be enlisted to describe him for a sketch. Not that he belongs on John Walsh's new show or anything like that.
Daniel Thomas on the bubble?
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Yeah. He was really good with the carries he got. One of the better young back ups in the league. He shouldn't be confused with Thomas however.
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Get rid of Thomas and Gilislee...they both are sub-par...
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There is the correct answer...
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Dude your logic is flawed, but you must like mediocre running backs? Daniel Thomas is a career 3.6 avg running back with a long of 20 before that lucky scamper for 55 against Pittsburgh last year. By comparison Reggie Bush played along side Thomas in 2011 and 2012 had 15 Touchdowns with a 5.0 avg in 2011 and 4.3 avg in 2012 with a long of 65 in 2011 and a long of 75 in 2012 and he was a complete back. Dana Thomas sucks Dude. Accept it. If you want the Dolphins to make the playoffs this decade we have to start letting medicare talent like this walk. Do you think this Dude plays for the Patriots? no. Oh by the way he also has 5 fumbles to go along with some of those easy scores provided by Bush, oh and has Daniel Thomas ever been good after first contact?
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There is a cut date. That is the proper time to cut the cord on guys like Daniel Thomas. August 5th is not that time, unless a trade offer comes through and I very much doubt one will.
That said, saying Daniel Thomas is on the bubble is a very "duh" statement. He's the #3 tailback on the depth chart when Knowshon Moreno gets healthy again. I believe simple roster math means your #3 tailback is on the bubble. Some teams don't keep four. If you fall down just one spot, you could be out. That means at #3 you're definitely on the bubble.
If this running game really is similar to the Chip Kelly running game then I doubt Thomas is going to thrive. He's never been good out of the shotgun. The point has been raised that Kelly loves power and Thomas is good in power. However, I see a problem with that. Kelly's offense uses power as a counter to inside zone. They're tied to one another. Inside zone is much more of a staple to the Chip Kelly offense than power. And since the two are linked together, you don't want to have one back on the field during your inside zone plays and another on the field during power plays. That defeats the point of using one as a counter to the other. Whatever prowess Daniel Thomas may have in power (and I'm still not sure I'm totally accepting of the idea that he has any particular prowess in power) is certainly outweighed by his lack of vision in inside zone.
That said, saying Daniel Thomas is on the bubble is a very "duh" statement. He's the #3 tailback on the depth chart when Knowshon Moreno gets healthy again. I believe simple roster math means your #3 tailback is on the bubble. Some teams don't keep four. If you fall down just one spot, you could be out. That means at #3 you're definitely on the bubble.
If this running game really is similar to the Chip Kelly running game then I doubt Thomas is going to thrive. He's never been good out of the shotgun. The point has been raised that Kelly loves power and Thomas is good in power. However, I see a problem with that. Kelly's offense uses power as a counter to inside zone. They're tied to one another. Inside zone is much more of a staple to the Chip Kelly offense than power. And since the two are linked together, you don't want to have one back on the field during your inside zone plays and another on the field during power plays. That defeats the point of using one as a counter to the other. Whatever prowess Daniel Thomas may have in power (and I'm still not sure I'm totally accepting of the idea that he has any particular prowess in power) is certainly outweighed by his lack of vision in inside zone.
Here are the top 20 backs with the most goal line runs (10 yards and in) since the 2012 season (32 games)
These backs all have a minimum of 10 attempts. Thomas was 3rd among all of these backs last year after the 3 games winning streak to start the season with a 35% scoring percentage. But since then he hasn't done as well as his percentage has dropped to 26%. This has dropped him to 12th overall in the last 2 years. Still not as bad as everybody thinks but right around that average mark.
Player Attempts TD's Percentage
DeMarco Murray 31 12 39%
Alfred Morris 37 14 38%
Stevan Ridley 45 17 38%
Darren McFadden 16 6 38%
Trent Richardson 20 7 35%
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 40 13 33%
Jamaal Charles 33 11 33%
Matt Forte 39 11 28%
Steven Jackson 32 9 28%
Adrian Peterson 48 13 27%
Marshawn Lynch 58 15 26%
Daniel Thomas 31 8 26%
Frank Gore 51 13 25%
Arian Foster 51 13 25%
Doug Martin 30 7 23%
Bilal Powel 17 4 23%
Ahmad Bradshaw 27 6 22%
LeSean McCoy 34 7 21%
Chris Johnson 19 3 15%
Reggie Bush 17 2 12%
These backs all have a minimum of 10 attempts. Thomas was 3rd among all of these backs last year after the 3 games winning streak to start the season with a 35% scoring percentage. But since then he hasn't done as well as his percentage has dropped to 26%. This has dropped him to 12th overall in the last 2 years. Still not as bad as everybody thinks but right around that average mark.
Player Attempts TD's Percentage
DeMarco Murray 31 12 39%
Alfred Morris 37 14 38%
Stevan Ridley 45 17 38%
Darren McFadden 16 6 38%
Trent Richardson 20 7 35%
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 40 13 33%
Jamaal Charles 33 11 33%
Matt Forte 39 11 28%
Steven Jackson 32 9 28%
Adrian Peterson 48 13 27%
Marshawn Lynch 58 15 26%
Daniel Thomas 31 8 26%
Frank Gore 51 13 25%
Arian Foster 51 13 25%
Doug Martin 30 7 23%
Bilal Powel 17 4 23%
Ahmad Bradshaw 27 6 22%
LeSean McCoy 34 7 21%
Chris Johnson 19 3 15%
Reggie Bush 17 2 12%
dlockz
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Three seasons and his best YPC is 3.7 while other backs on the roster have averaged always quite a bit more. We wish he was average. TD percentage means jack as a runningback because he could get all the runs at the one yard line. Danial Thomas is a bust
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I posted before FA and the draft that I wanted to sign Blount or draft a RB in the third round. Did not happen, and I am not a fan of Moreno. DT is not a bad option, and I only count last year. What happened 2 and 3 years ago, with injury and concussions do not matter to me.
Last year he ran hard, and IMO did well behind what I believe to be the worst run blocking OL I have ever seen on a Dolphins team. Some look at his YAC average as a reason to rip him. His average was 2.0, same as Moreno, and Miller was 2.1, Lynch and Charles, who some believe to be the MVP's other than QB's, were at 2.5 and 2.2. Big difference?
I believe he will be better than Moreno, same as I thought before the injury problem, and we will be happy to have him.
Last year he ran hard, and IMO did well behind what I believe to be the worst run blocking OL I have ever seen on a Dolphins team. Some look at his YAC average as a reason to rip him. His average was 2.0, same as Moreno, and Miller was 2.1, Lynch and Charles, who some believe to be the MVP's other than QB's, were at 2.5 and 2.2. Big difference?
I believe he will be better than Moreno, same as I thought before the injury problem, and we will be happy to have him.
These stats are still padded as it relates to Thomas. Redo the analysis and sort by how many runners had TDs were ran in by 3 or less yards out (all of Thomas's) and how many runners ran in goal line TD's of 4 - 10 yards out.
I mean we ALL KNOW that all of thomas's runs are from 3 yards and in so its not really fair to compare him with a runner who consistenly scores TD's from the 10 yard line.
I mean we ALL KNOW that all of thomas's runs are from 3 yards and in so its not really fair to compare him with a runner who consistenly scores TD's from the 10 yard line.
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i think my friend Southbeach is on the bubble with this comment
kiddingDT is now the third running back i guess but if someone beats him out that's fine by me. He's very average at best and i really think we can do better.
i did want Blount as well who I thought would be a better compliment to Miller.
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Thomas has had plenty of time to prove himself and has only shown he's an average backup at best it's time to move on.
No padding just the straight stats from ESPN player splits. BTW they don't differentiate runs from the 3 and in from 10 an in. So if that is what you need to feel good you can do the research. You'll need to look at the gamebooks for every back and determine if each is inside or outside. That will take you a long time.
If you look at my post it is actually lowering my opinion of DT. He was higher on my list last year but then fell quickly. While he has never been great he has scored critical TD's for us. When he scores we are 8-3. and if you are going to ding him for not scoring longer Td's then don't bitch about his ypc. When you are only 2 yards from the goal line on alot of your carries how are you supposed to average 5 yards a carry?
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i think my friend Southbeach is on the bubble with this comment
DT is now the third running back i guess but if someone beats him out that's fine by me. He's very average at best and i really think we can do better.
i did want Blount as well who I thought would be a better compliment to Miller.
I was on the bubble until we did not sign or draft anyone to replace him. Now, I go with him as our 2nd best RB, with no better options, and him being a Dolphin.
I also have to welcome Samson, and stop my "kinda" rants. :)