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Well said, and a great side of things that I hadn't considered.
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Well said, and a great side of things that I hadn't considered.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
I don't know what this guy is telling you, but that's not what happened. She tried to cut Porter before the league year, and we didn't have the cap room to absorb the hit until the new league year started, so it put us over the cap. The league put him back on our roster, so we waited 2 weeks and then cut him again. There was no extra money lost, there was no repercussions outside of the embarrassment of having to cut him twice. But it was Porter, so cutting him twice was actually pretty awesome...
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
My bad, Nubs beat me to it.
If you're going to hate on someone, at least get the stupid story right. Don't make up stuff. I don't know why some posters insist on exaggerating, or just plain make up, things that happen...
enigmatics
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That's 70% of this forum. I guess it's what some of us have to put up with if we don't upgrade to VIP.
hoops
Tua time!
i can't argue with that...
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you come too so we can throw you off of it...
See below article, google and many other articles are out there......
The reason I believe it is true, the league is desperate to get this offset language in contracts with 1st round picks to further squeeze the players when it comes to compensation and guaranteed contracts, think about it....if Tannehill his cut and signs with another team then the dolphins will only be on the hook for the difference instead of the full amount owed, this makes it easier to cut a 1st rd pick instead of giving him another yr to grow. To me its the league being greedy and we are the perfect team to make a stand......We have two veteran QB in camp, our coaching staff is new, first time HC coach, he probably wouldn't play much this yr to begin with and our owner wants to host a Super Bowl in his stadium.......If they can get Tannehill to sign the offset language Ross will be a hero among the owners......
Ireland is clearly not calling the shots on this, the one thing you could always count on is him signing his draft picks, after the CBA when things were supposed to easier we get this, something smells
Tannehill only leverage is to wait it out and threaten to go back in the draft...... but would he be a top 10 pick next yr? The kid is in a bad situation and so his his agent, who wants to be the first agent to allow his player to sign this?
I'm not optimistic this will get done soon
Conventional wisdom says that Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III's completed contracts will result in the rest of the unsigned first-round draft picks quickly following suit. The Miami Dolphins may have something to say about that. ProFootballTalk.com's Mike Florio reports that the Dolphins are "digging in" during negotiations with quarterback Ryan Tannehill with respect to potential "offset" language in his contract. The Indianapolis Colts and Washington Redskins did not insist on such language for Luck and RG3, which helps protect teams financially in case a player is released. Dawn Aponte, the Miami Dolphins vice president of administration, once worked for the league's management council and is reportedly insisting on offset language, according to Florio.
hoops
Tua time!
well if i got bad information then so be it...that's why i was asking the question about what happened cause i wasn't sure...but i do know the way the league rules work...thanks for the clarification...i feel a little better unless flyn comes up with some more evidence...
hoops
Tua time!
while i agree with a lot of what you say here the only precedent this is gonna set is your gonna have more top picks holding out in the future...no agent is gonna want to be the one to give in as you've stated cause it will hurt their ability to sign high end clients going forward and other agents will use it against them...it's either the whole league gets together on this or no one does...why miami should agree to be the league guinea pig in this battle is beyond me...
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
I find it verrrrrrrrry curious that they would try for the off-set language with supposedly someone who is the future of the franchise. I don't necessarily blame them given the crapshoot QB's have become and how I personally view Tanny as a reach where he was drafted.
hoops
Tua time!
so full pads tomorrow i take it...enjoy it cause i think there's only 10 more full pad practices if that's the case
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The funny thing in all of this is, if they cut him before his deal is up, the people who are trying to save money for the cap down the road, won't even be here.............It's like they don't even understand that.
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First of by definition of sanction the league revoking the trade is a sanction. I remember clearly when this went down reports were there would be more action from the league, but both the NFL and the Dolphins weren't talking.
"Sanction is a broad term with different meanings in different contexts. Sanction can be used to describe tacit or explicit approval." Thefreedictionary.com.
Two years after the fact good articles are few and far between. I will post one written by Armando breaking the blunder down(yeah I know Armando sucks). Which leads to the question what did we gain by rushing to cut him? It was obviously a result of his mouth running during the Superbowl, but going into a uncapped year we had nothing to lose by trade shopping till his roster bonus was do. Once the cut him in Feb thing didn't workout there was no way a team would offer anything taking on his contract when they know we are going to cut him. Don't kid ourselves Porter was one year removed from being the league sack leader and just named to the All Decade Team teams would have traded a late round pick. Yeah I have no proof they would have just as you have no proof they wouldn't, however Wisenhunt is on record wanting Porter.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/02/why-cant-the-dolphins-trade-joey-porter.html
Back to Apante can you provide me any source that credits her to the structure of Wakes contract? Just reading this sure it seems all credit goes to Ireland. The current limited cap space is from the Marshall trade. The 50 million next year is a deceptive number for one Long if franchised or resigned takes a huge chunk out of it. 2 we don't have a franchise qb contact. 3. The rest of our cap space next year is more a product of from 2007-present bad draft picks in high rounds aren't on our roster. Think that number would be a bit less if we didn't miss on Ginn, Sateale, Beck, Merling, Henne, White, Turner and soon to be Jerry and Thomas? By failing in these rounds and not having to sign large extensions are cap space is by failure not some wizzard working numbers. Look at the Giants they some how sign guys to huge extensions, make fa splashes, and deal a lot better with hold outs.
Last thing on Apante what does 9 days in the job have to do with anything? Did she not hold the same exact position in Cleveland the week before? Do the Browns and Dolphins play in the same league under the same rules?
Look we can go back and forth all day long, but the reality is the take it or leave it menatlity of our FO has no brought any success, it puts a target on their back and when they embarrass themselves people line up to take shots!
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Still not sold? Here is a article confirming Apantes knowledge of the cap, contracts, et.... It clearly discredits Nubs well.she only had 9 days on the job defense and proves the Browns were looking to her to guide them through the transition to the uncapped year. So what happened? She took the take it or leave it mentality with Cribbs, the fans went nuts when Cribbs said if that is the case his days in Cleveland were over and Holgrem fired her.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/10024142/18116123
Here is a great quote from Cribbs and his agent to her mentality
"In a recent radio interview, Cribbs expressed that he felt he was doing things correctly – not holding out, taking on expanded roles, giving 100 percent despite the team record or current game score.
Cribbs and Rickert are reportedly seeking a contract that ranges from $2.8-3.2 million per season. As Rickert stated, the Browns offered $1.4 million with incentives that could maximize the annual pay at $2 million. The Browns offer is being described as a “take it or leave it.” The OBR has a quote from Browns representative Dawn Aponte:
“It’ll be the same offer tomorrow, the same offer in March, and the same offer in September.”
Or as Jerod Morris put best:
“The Cleveland Browns, in their infinite wisdom (you know, the same wisdom that has guided them to so many winning seasons since rejoining the league in 1999…), have decided that it is fair and reasonable to offer Josh Cribbs significantly less money than Andre Davis and Roscoe Parrish make per year.”
Yes, that Andre Davis."
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/10024142/18116123
Here is a great quote from Cribbs and his agent to her mentality
"In a recent radio interview, Cribbs expressed that he felt he was doing things correctly – not holding out, taking on expanded roles, giving 100 percent despite the team record or current game score.
Cribbs and Rickert are reportedly seeking a contract that ranges from $2.8-3.2 million per season. As Rickert stated, the Browns offered $1.4 million with incentives that could maximize the annual pay at $2 million. The Browns offer is being described as a “take it or leave it.” The OBR has a quote from Browns representative Dawn Aponte:
“It’ll be the same offer tomorrow, the same offer in March, and the same offer in September.”
Or as Jerod Morris put best:
“The Cleveland Browns, in their infinite wisdom (you know, the same wisdom that has guided them to so many winning seasons since rejoining the league in 1999…), have decided that it is fair and reasonable to offer Josh Cribbs significantly less money than Andre Davis and Roscoe Parrish make per year.”
Yes, that Andre Davis."
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