dlockz
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So The eagles pick and a third rounder maybe is big time. They wouldn't do it last year but it was only for one pick up. I get the feeling this is the best we would get
Dion Jordan for Lane Johnson and Eagles 22nd pick?
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So The eagles pick and a third rounder maybe is big time. They wouldn't do it last year but it was only for one pick up. I get the feeling this is the best we would get
dlockz
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The coaching staff felt it was better to start Shelby than Jordan. So for his rookie year the staff thought Derrick Shelby was a better player than the guy they traded up to take with the third pick that seems to be the case
I completely agree with the second part of your post. It was a mistake to take him at number 3 last year because it wasn't a position of need. We have him now and he could turn out to be a great player. He has that great first step(like Jason Taylor) and he may need a couple of years to bulk up (like Jason Taylor) and learn the game and all the nuances of todays hybrid defenses. Taking on 330 lb LOT's on one play and then covering 4.5 TE's and RB's in pass defense on the next. It was definitely a risky pick considering all the holes on this team. The coaches know this and are bringing him along slowly. Taylor took a couple of years, Jordan may need the same time frame.
By the time that Wake hangs it up, Jordan will be entering his prime. Sometimes it is wise to plan ahead.
Funny though..If he were traded, and he tears it up in Philadelphia, all of you would moan and groan.
I would stand pat and let this project play out. The GM has plenty of cap space all draft picks to improve this team without throwing away the draft value from last year or a potential great player.
By the time that Wake hangs it up, Jordan will be entering his prime. Sometimes it is wise to plan ahead.
Funny though..If he were traded, and he tears it up in Philadelphia, all of you would moan and groan.
I would stand pat and let this project play out. The GM has plenty of cap space all draft picks to improve this team without throwing away the draft value from last year or a potential great player.
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Does anyone else remember Jordan's injury and/or the fact that he was very limited in camp and preseason? That's really hard to recover from for any rookie, especially with the new MFL's practice schedules.
does anyone else remember that Jordan tried to bulk up by adding like 20 pounds of muscle in a few months? Reports said he got to 260 but, from all I have seen, that's physically impossible, even for an athlete, and even more impossible with the injury.
For the year, he played 20% of snaps, and was beaten out by his body and no Dolphin player. IMO. he should have played more in the second half at OLB but, with the lack of available practice time, I may well be wrong.
I've seen enough flashes to say that I CAN'T WAIT to see him this year IF Coyle and Philbin figure out how to use him, he can be better than JT.
does anyone else remember that Jordan tried to bulk up by adding like 20 pounds of muscle in a few months? Reports said he got to 260 but, from all I have seen, that's physically impossible, even for an athlete, and even more impossible with the injury.
For the year, he played 20% of snaps, and was beaten out by his body and no Dolphin player. IMO. he should have played more in the second half at OLB but, with the lack of available practice time, I may well be wrong.
I've seen enough flashes to say that I CAN'T WAIT to see him this year IF Coyle and Philbin figure out how to use him, he can be better than JT.
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As of right now Jordan is a bust. The Dolphins would make that trade, the Eagles would not make that trade.
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Then I guess we can trade Shelby for Johnson, and keep Jordan. It should make no difference. LOL
I don't see how we have much choice at this point. Nobody's going to trade us equivalent value to the number 3 pick in this year's draft for him given his performance in his first year in the league.
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Trade Wake.
I don't think were close enough to superbowl contenders to make keeping him necessary. Trade Wake for an O lineman and a Draft pick, throw Dion into the fire and get younger across the board.
I don't think were close enough to superbowl contenders to make keeping him necessary. Trade Wake for an O lineman and a Draft pick, throw Dion into the fire and get younger across the board.
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Did Jordan get any snaps at all this year at left defensive end (Wake's position)? If they are looking long term for him to be Wake's replacement then it might prudent for him to get a snap every now and then on the left side. It is a different skill set than right defensive end.
marinotoclayton
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Ridiculous that trade would never happen! Drafting Jordan the way we did was irresponsible he had only shown flashes in college. Plus d line was supposed to be a position of strengt. Those in the mind set that we would need equal value to where he was drafted are simply out of your minds! If we are lucky we maybe get eagles #1 for him. But thats it . Nobody would trade a proven guy for a project player. Which is what we have in Jordan. People need to quit putting so much value on what he could be or where and how and what we gave to get him. That part is done and people know what We have and that is a player that needs work.
It's questionable if the Eagles would let go of either one of them for Jordan, let alone both. Lane Johnson struggled early but he's athletic enough to eventually move to left tackle. No chance we get him straight up for Jordan. The #22 is debatable. Scouting staffs and general managers invest so much time that they hate to surrender that first round pick and essentially forfeit all the examination of the top rated guys. That #22 is worth more and more as the draft approaches, once guys slip and there's potential to nab somebody you thought would be gone. By draft day I'm doubtful the Eagles would hand us that pick for Jordan.
I agree with the recent post that Jordan should be explored at left end. Most of the time I spent watching him at Oregon he lined up on the left side. While he wasn't good against the run, I didn't think he was as awful as Mackenzie Pantoja made him out to be. I think I mentioned that early in the marathon thread. In 2013 at right end, Jordan was every bit as inept against the run as Mackenzie's evaluation, and then some.
Jake Long got nicked and declined. The value of a tackle at #1 is debatable and hardly ideal. But at least that pick fit many of the proper criteria for a high draft choice, a guy who was undeniably producing at high level as a full time starter and projected perfectly to an NFL position. In Ronnie Brown, Ryan Tannehill and Dion Jordan we made strange choices with each one requiring the player to improve quite a bit to justify the draft slot, let alone threaten the Pro Bowl. The new general manager can't have a value set like that. I would ask him about Brown, Tannehill and Jordan and his impression of each one of them entering that draft. He might think you are looking for a positive review. In my case it would be the opposite. I'd hire the guy who expressed doubt about each one of them, and was confident enough to detail it point by point.
I agree with the recent post that Jordan should be explored at left end. Most of the time I spent watching him at Oregon he lined up on the left side. While he wasn't good against the run, I didn't think he was as awful as Mackenzie Pantoja made him out to be. I think I mentioned that early in the marathon thread. In 2013 at right end, Jordan was every bit as inept against the run as Mackenzie's evaluation, and then some.
Jake Long got nicked and declined. The value of a tackle at #1 is debatable and hardly ideal. But at least that pick fit many of the proper criteria for a high draft choice, a guy who was undeniably producing at high level as a full time starter and projected perfectly to an NFL position. In Ronnie Brown, Ryan Tannehill and Dion Jordan we made strange choices with each one requiring the player to improve quite a bit to justify the draft slot, let alone threaten the Pro Bowl. The new general manager can't have a value set like that. I would ask him about Brown, Tannehill and Jordan and his impression of each one of them entering that draft. He might think you are looking for a positive review. In my case it would be the opposite. I'd hire the guy who expressed doubt about each one of them, and was confident enough to detail it point by point.
And if you're looking to improve on Jeff Ireland -- the guy who drafted all those guys -- that'd probably be a great place to start.
If you're looking for an Ireland clone, then instead get the interviewee's ringing endorsement of those picks.
dlockz
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Although I think Tannehill will be fine I do agree all three were overdfated and u cannot just continue to draft only based on so called potential, there has to be top level production somewhere