Doctors win, "Lemmings" lose!

[AquaHawk]

Sorry but I don’t agree with your position that to Tua is prone to concussions. The hit was vicious and it’s completely fair to say that any player in the NFL that got hit that way was likely to have a concussion from it. (IMHO) The doctors have stated that he is not prone to concussions.

Why is what I wrote interpreted as “Tua is prone to concussions”? I don’t wade in internet neurology.

My comments were about fan‘s unreasonable expectations of perfection for Tua.

 

[Ray R]

Here is a quote from my previously written post to this thread:

"Hall of Fame QB Steve Young has stated doctors know relatively little about conscussions. I imagine that any ethical doctor will admit this is true."

So, an NFL QB who has been out of the league a long time has better information on concussion than medical doctors who are specialists and have the most current information on concussion.

And this is your "qualified" source of hearsay!

ARE YOU CONCUSED?
Then you probably need more than a just a psychiatrist - LOL

Just like the moronic leaders of the NFL union who want to say what a concussion is.

If you really want to present yourself as a knowledgeable and a caring individual, know your facts and the details of what you are discussing, not the hearsay of someone who has the same opinion you have!

THINK!
Make sure your brain is "turning over" before "putting your tounge (or in this case, fingers) into gear"!

 

[StevieY1]

“He has not had concussion issues in the past...just this year”

I wish you would do a little research pertaining to Tua and concussions. He was concussed on the play he dislocated his hip while at Alabama in late 2019.

Tua Tagovailoa explains moment he injured hip

Tua Tagovailoa met with reporters Thursday in Tuscaloosa to discuss his hip injury and the decision to come.

www.al.com

That is 3 known concussion, possibly 4 if you count the Buffalo game ( which I do), in a little over 3 years (Nov19-Dec22).

Tua in fact does have a history of concussions.

I’d rather believe a physician who specializes in fMRI’s and has no skin in the game rather than a bunch of Dr.’s representing the NFL. These NFL physicians are no better than lawyers who get paid to take the stand to refute prosecutorial testimony.

Here is a website from an fMRI physician who has written over 22 peer reviewed articles about head trauma. He states that, “Unfortunately, sustaining one concussion means that you are at risk for more”

Multiple Concussions: Long-Term Effects and Treatment Options

We explain the effects of multiple concussions, along with treatment options for symptoms that won’t go away.

www.cognitivefxusa.com

While I don’t think Tua will have a long career in the NFL, I do think he will play next season because from a businesses standpoint, he is not making a lot of money next season. I would hope that the Dolphins front office doesn’t pickup his 5th year and I definitely do not want to see a second contract. It is only a matter of time until he is forced to retire. Just my 2 cents. I know, I am just one of the many lemmings on this forum.

Thank you for your diligent research on this. I was not aware of the concussion on the hip injury… thankfully it was over three years ago. I still defer to the team physicians opinion and as we continue to explore this I ultimately leave the decision with Tua and the team. Ultimately everybody is forced to retire even the vampire Tom Brady… It’s just a question of when and I for one don’t think Tua’s time is up.

 

[StevieY1]

So, an NFL QB who has been out of the league a long time has better information on concussion than medical doctors who are specialists and have the most current information on concussion.

And this is your "qualified" source of hearsay!

ARE YOU CONCUSED?
Then you probably need more than a just a psychiatrist - LOL

Just like the moronic leaders of the NFL union who want to say what a concussion is.

If you really want to present yourself as a knowledgeable and a caring individual, know your facts and the details of what you are discussing, not the hearsay of someone who has the same opinion you have!

THINK!
Make sure your brain is "turning over" before "putting your tounge (or in this case, fingers) into gear

Obviously it's Tua's decision whether he plays football again and I am not sure what is the League's (or the Dolphins) obligation is here. I do find it disgraceful that in the game against the Packers , after his head hit the ground hard, the team's coaching staff allowed him to continue playing.
I consider Tua to have sensational QB skills. But, it's become obvious that he is prone to concussions so I believe he should have retired following the September 29th game against the Bengals.
On this matter football fans have said "the Hall of Fame is filled with guys who have suffered multiple concussions" or "if guys retired after a couple of concussions the NFL would lose hundreds of players a year" or "Tua's a great QB and the Dolphins need him to play". But I don't care what the football fans say. I enjoy football. Some of my life's best memories are having watched my son play the game during his high school years. However it's only a game and not as important as one's health.

A counterpoint I would make is that the staff cannot be expected to stop Tua from playing on every instance when his head hits the ground. Hindsight is definitely 20-20 and even after Tua's return next year there will be "hold your breathe" moments. Comes with the territory now - but to call it disgraceful after the fact is a little much.

 

[StevieY1]

So, an NFL QB who has been out of the league a long time has better information on concussion than medical doctors who are specialists and have the most current information on concussion.

And this is your "qualified" source of hearsay!

ARE YOU CONCUSED?
Then you probably need more than a just a psychiatrist - LOL

Just like the moronic leaders of the NFL union who want to say what a concussion is.

If you really want to present yourself as a knowledgeable and a caring individual, know your facts and the details of what you are discussing, not the hearsay of someone who has the same opinion you have!

THINK!
Make sure your brain is "turning over" before "putting your tounge (or in this case, fingers) into gear"!

Hi Ray! Just wanted to check on your spelling lately...you got concussed wrong and tounge is an interesting one also. in a previous point you typed suprise three times in a row! Just checking in on you cuz we need you 100% going foward. Haha!

 

[BlueFin]

Yes…we all know doctors have proven how reliable they are when it come to individuals future durability!

5 straight years Tua’s has missed games and 2 years was unable to lead his team at the end of the season….

I don’t need a doctor to read those tea leaves…..

 

[Aquapride1]

A counterpoint I would make is that the staff cannot be expected to stop Tua from playing on every instance when his head hits the ground. Hindsight is definitely 20-20 and even after Tua's return next year there will be "hold your breathe" moments. Comes with the territory now - but to call it disgraceful after the fact is a little much.

Why are you writing about hindsight?
Tua had two concussions early this season (Buffalo and Cincinnati) and during the Green Bay game the back of his helmet struck the ground hard, at which point a member of the Dolphins staff should have sidelined him.
Really he should have stopped playing after the September 29th Cincinnati game , but he and, or the team kept taking a risk and that resulted in his third concussion of the season, December 25th against Green Bay.

 

[Ray R]

Why are you writing about hindsight?
Tua had two concussions early this season (Buffalo and Cincinnati) and during the Green Bay game the back of his helmet struck the ground hard, at which point a member of the Dolphins staff should have sidelined him.
Really he should have stopped playing after the September 29th Cincinnati game , but he and, or the team kept taking a risk and that resulted in his third concussion of the season, December 25th against Green Bay.

As I remember, when he went down, he landed on his tailbone and then his back and then his head hit the ground without bouncing. This may have been the Greenbay game or one of the other games, where his going down was widely replayed and commented on. When he got up, he was stumbling in a manor more closely related to having a pinched nerve in his spinal column. A condition I lived through on two different occations.

The point is, I believe for good reason you are presumming how hard his head hit the ground. Then you further presume what the correct medical approac should have been. In the fall I'm thinking of, he should have been taken in for CAT scan to look for a cause of what pinched his spinal cord.

I would point out that the great running back Earl Campbell had a genetic narrowing of the spine which eventually pinched his spinal cord to the point he had to give up football.

Don't let your presumptions blind you to the other problems that may be affecting Tua. If you think I'm talking about some far out and distant probabilities, consider this - what severe damage did Tua go through before we drafted him? His pelvis was broken. Where are the lower extremity nerve breakouts that emanate from the spinal cord occur? They break out at the pelvis.

Where was my back problem that caused me to be physically misaligned laterally 4", due to an automatic body process called guarding, located at? It was at my pelvis at L-4. A CAT scan showed my spinal cord was also "displaced for a vertical length of 4". When the surgeons opened me up, they found my disk had ruptured so far into the spinal canal that it had broken off, severely bruising my spinal cord. I'm lucky it hadn't severed my spinal cord.

My back problem was not the result of an accident. I was born with congenitally week feet. There were normal looking arches in my feet until I stood up. Then they went flat due to low muscle power. My foot doctor was treating me for bursitis of the heel when I was thirteen. He told me that do to my weak feet, I put a strain on my back when I stood and walked and that I would probably need back surgery when I was 35. He was off by just two years.

When I went to join the Military, I was classified as a 4-Y, just one step up from a 4-F. the reason the Marine Corps accepted me was due to two things. It was 1965 and they were desperate for personnel, and I had qualified in their intelligence tests for electronics training as a technician, an area that they were even more desperate in for personnel.

I may be prejudiced, but I think I have a "deeper" knowledge of the effects of nerve trauma effecting the lower extremities than any poster here. What I saw from Tua when he got up and had, after a step or two, trouble with his legs, I had a very good idea what his problem was based on personnel experience.

 

[Aquapride1]

As I remember, when he went down, he landed on his tailbone and then his back and then his head hit the ground without bouncing. This may have been the Greenbay game or one of the other games, where his going down was widely replayed and commented on.

You are referring to the September 29th game against Buffalo.
Five days later in Cincinnati Tua went down again, this time carted off the field in ambulance.
Finally, December 25th against Green Bay, in the 2nd quarter Tua's head again struck the ground hard and he suffered his 3rd concussion of the season.

 

[Ray R]

You are referring to the September 29th game against Buffalo.
Five days later in Cincinnati Tua went down again, this time carted off the field in ambulance.
Finally, December 25th against Green Bay, in the 2nd quarter Tua's head again struck the ground hard and he suffered his 3rd concussion of the season.

Thanks for the clarification. as to what hit I observed.

Let me ask a specific question?
Did his head bounce after it hit the ground?
If it hit the ground really hard, there would have been a bounce.
It's the noticeable bounce (rebound that tells me it hit the ground hard, without breaking).
If there is no bounce, any speculation about how hard it hit is just that, speculation.

 

[Ray R]

Hahaha Ray. What will they say when you have already answered their replies in advance. Wait and watch - it'll be hilarious!

Baiting "Lemmings" has helped overcome any slight dissatisfaction oi get after a loss. - LOL

 

[Aquapride1]

Thanks for the clarification. as to what hit I observed.

Let me ask a specific question?
Did his head bounce after it hit the ground?
If it hit the ground really hard, there would have been a bounce.
It's the noticeable bounce (rebound that tells me it hit the ground hard, without breaking).
If there is no bounce, any speculation about how hard it hit is just that, speculation.

Here again is the head-hitting-ground play on which Tua suffered his third concussion. Do you actually read the replies to the thread you started here ? This play and others have been posted here previously.

 

[Ray R]

Here again is the head-hitting-ground play on which Tua suffered his third concussion. Do you actually read the replies to the thread you started here ? This play and others have been posted here previously.

thanks for the information.
It appears his head did bounce.

 

[lotion]

Why would turning his shoulders square to the ground be his default way to fall? That skull is going to bounce square on the ground a lot.

 

[Ray R]

Why would turning his shoulders square to the ground be his default way to fall? That skull is going to bounce square on the ground a lot.

Not in the fall I originally mentioned.

He landed on his tailbone and rotated back where is upper back hit the ground. I did not see his head hit the ground much less bounce. I think he locked up is head and upper body when he took that fall.